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SiliconDream
05:08 / 06.05.08
Yup. In his first appearance, the Persuader was described as "the highest paid killer and strongarm gangland enforcer in the galaxy...also number one on the Science Police list of wanted extortionists!"

It may seem like an odd specialization for a super-strong, invulnerable man with an axe what can cut gravity in half, but keep in mind that back then the Emerald Empress was mostly using her Eye to rob banks. And Mano was working as an assassin, and got captured because he attempted to walk directly up to a government official, in full villainous costume, and shake the guy's hand. Despite being a low-level speedster who can blow up planets by touching them. These guys really needed Tharok to give their lives some direction.
 
 
grant
18:40 / 09.05.08
Off-the-cuff, too-lazy-to-look question: Is the Earth-Three what once was now known as Earth-2?

Home of the Crime Syndicate of America?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:58 / 09.05.08
Earth-3 is the morally reversed universe, yes, because Earth-2 from the JLA trade was originally Earth-3 pre-Crisis. Only the current Earth-3 is different, and has a Crime Society mirroring the Justice Society, and that's about as much as makes sense to me, barely.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:47 / 09.05.08
insert the old Tom Lehrer song 'New Math' here:

"You can't take three from two, two is less than three, so you look at the three in the ones place, now that's really three tens..." [insert 'Earth' before each number]

end totally inane joke, carry on
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:46 / 09.05.08
When I read a description of the new version of Earth-3, I couldn't figure out why they'd even bother, to be honest.
 
 
bencher
14:40 / 10.05.08
Scanned through all er, 43 pages here just to make sure that I'm not asking about something that's already been covered before, but I was wondering if anyone could help me with some questions pertaining to the New Gods:

1. What exactly is the status of the New Gods? I thought that with Death of The New Gods(DOTNG) the whole slate was wiped clean(unless there's a large elseworld tag that I missed somewhere), but with Final Crisis they're still around...?

2. Darkseid & the Anti-Life Equation: is Darkseid in full possession of the equation? We learn that he has part of it in DOTNG, yet earlier on in Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle, Darkseid administers the equation to Shilo Norman(only to discover that Norman is immune to it). Which leads to my third question...

3. If the Darkseid that Norman encounters in SSoV:MM is but a simulation by Metron during his one week confinement/initiation inside the black hole, does this mean that Metron knows the full equation? Because if not, I can't see how we can be certain that Norman is really immune to it.

4. Any news about my man Aurakles since SSoV #1?
 
 
bencher
05:39 / 15.05.08
Anybody?
 
 
LDones
06:49 / 15.05.08
This is probably pretty crotchtastically crotchety, but I think you may be inquiring after some indulgence in continuity pedantry that isn't in terribly high supply. The answers are:

1, 2, & 3) Whatever editorial feels like on the day, or whatever any given writer slides through in whatever event happens to be going on.
4) No.

Final Crisis may have better answers for all these questions. It may not. Perhaps more than ever, I'd say that any expectation of a kind of unified continuity of fiction in super-comics - where all the pieces fit and are accounted for, or even where characters and situations are marginally consistent from writer to writer - is misplaced, at best.
 
 
bencher
08:21 / 15.05.08
Almost sorry I asked(but not as sorry for actually having read Death of New Gods, what a waste of time), guess it's all just a bunch of elseworld stories until... whenever.

Cheers though.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:14 / 16.05.08
bencher, the problem we all have is that DC don't seem to feel the need to be particularly editorially strict when it comes to continuity, so while events like the recent Crises are about events twenty years ago they are also about more recent things, such as the attempt to introduce the Doom Patrol via JLA a few years back as though they were a brand new team, the editors should have realised that they were already established as existing in the DCU. So what do we get? Superboy-Emo punches the wall of heaven and this creates continuity anomalies in the DCU.

And take Grant on Batman, he turns The Joker into this different character with a Glasgow kiss and a speech impediment and then a few months later the Joker is back to normal in Countdown and everywhere, including it seems Countdown to Final Crisis #0, goes on as if he's the same.

Therefore, LDones reply about the Seven Soldiers Mr Miracle is correct, it all matters as much as any writer can be bothered by it. 7S is set a few days before 'Infinite Crisis'. 'Final Crisis' is set a year and a bit after 'IC' (because of One Year Later, I don't know how much more time is supposed to have passed) However, between 7S and FC you've got some new Gods activity and things like the death of Big Barda.

I would suggest that the 'death of the New Gods' as suggested in 7S was some sort of simulation for reasons never likely to have been made clear, where now, a year or more later, it is coming true in the DCU.

But tomorrow Geoff Johns could say it all didn't happen if he wants to.
 
 
bencher
15:42 / 17.05.08
Apart from the original questions I had were some other ones, also pertaining to the New Gods, but more specific to the SSoV:MM series, that mentions how New Genesis had lost the war, and how the New Gods were now in hiding(?) in human form(as per the homeless people depicted in the series) - I always wondered if that was covered anywhere else.

Seeing that I read Morrison stuff to the exclusion of any other DC title(Vertigo aside), I suppose it's likely that I would've missed out on certain events that other writers may have covered, involving in house characters like the New Gods(which to me has always been Kirby's) - but I guess what I understand so far is that there's probably isn't a satisfactory wrap on the New Gods storyline(or any interesting development of the original series until SSoV:MM), with the possible exception of Final Crisis, if indeed the Fifth World storyline will be addressed, as we have been led to believe.

But God I wish I could just erase Death of The New Gods from my head - I can't believe I went on reading after issue 1.
 
 
Mario
18:02 / 20.05.08
I've decided that no Fourth World stories exist after ORION #25. It's easier that way...
 
 
bencher
09:03 / 21.05.08
Won't be the first time that I've heard that series mentioned, just wish that there was some way for me to get my hand on them. Really really liked the New Gods series, there was this palpable sense of a story actually moving towards a fully developed end, something that's impossible to come by lately(that, or I haven't read much).
 
 
Mario
19:42 / 27.05.08
The first 5 issues were collected in the "ORION: Gates of Apokalips" trade. Personally, I'd love to see them collect the rest, but... *shrugs*
 
 
FinderWolf
20:17 / 27.05.08
The Orion series by Simonson is pretty good, maybe even "Pretty Good + ", but it's not amazing. It's not nearly as good as his deservedly-legendary THOR run... it comes off a bit as Thor-lite, with some admittedly great spins on the Kirby Fourth World concepts thrown in. You're not missing much by not having read his entire run, but it is a fun read if you come across the issues. Maybe they'll reprint more of the run given the recent Fourth World push from DC because of Final Crisis.
 
 
Billuccho!
20:26 / 27.05.08
I disagree. Simonson's Orion is mostly brilliant, the only worthy successor to Kirby. And it's just as good as his Thor run, if not moreso.
 
 
Mario
13:30 / 28.05.08
The thing I liked about ORION was that Simonson was the first person in a long time to do something _different_ with the New Gods. For most writers, the big battle between Orion (or worse, Superman) and Darkseid would be the climax of the run.

Walt got it out of the way in issue #5. Everything after that was pure crack.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:15 / 28.05.08
Earth-3 is the morally reversed universe, yes, because Earth-2 from the JLA trade was originally Earth-3 pre-Crisis.

When I read EARTH 2 I took it as the "GOOD" LEX LUTHOR naming the JLA earth "earth-2" when he discovered it. So I would guess that the traditional earth 3 considers itself earth 1.
 
 
grant
20:09 / 28.05.08
WAAA!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:54 / 28.05.08
Brace yourself for long question of confusingness:

Is it possible that Metron (who has always been a bit untrustworthy) engineered the SSoV:MM Dark Side thingy simulation black hole voodoo holodeck as a way to test if Norman would be a worthy person to be his agent against Darkseid/side when he returns because Metron either knew about or planned to make happen the recent Death of the New Gods?
 
 
Mario
21:26 / 28.05.08
Oh yeah... I doubt he planned it, but 7S:MM made it pretty clear that Shilo was their last-ditch backup plan.
 
 
doctorbeck
14:19 / 03.07.08
just a quickie to take the pulse of barbelith on...supergirl


out of boredome i got a load of trades out of the library and though some of the writing was good fun and the guest slots were interesting i just found the combination of a very revealing costume on a 16 year old who talks dirty sometimes, where you almost see her get a shower and where there is a clearly voyeristic peek at her life and body very creepy. i mean not so creepy that i didn't finish reading them. but did anyone else find them a little uncomfortable?
 
 
chairmanWOW
13:29 / 19.08.08
i mean not so creepy that i didn't finish reading them. but did anyone else find them a little uncomfortable?

No.

Okay, now my turn. Superman is an ordinary human under a red sun. Under a yellow sun he magically manifests fabulous powers within his eyeballs and lungs (and he can fly too). What happens to a normal Earth human when they find themselves under a red sun? Doesn't it follow that if a yellow sun has that effect on Kryptonians, a red sun should have a similar effect on earthlings?
 
 
osymandus
13:33 / 19.08.08
No , becuase Superman isnt a normal human , the physicology of Kryptonians is sufficently differnet that he only appears at human levels under a Red Sun and does not become human .
And no Humans are still humans under what ever spectral wave lengh

Didnt they recently say he could never procreate with Lois as well ???
 
 
Mario
15:03 / 19.08.08
Your logic is flawed. The reason Superman has powers under a yellow sun (and various subsets under other colors) has to do with the fact that his body absorbs more energy from yellow sunlight than red. In theory, he should become even MORE powerful under a white or blue star, unless they happen to lack specific wavelengths he needs.

Humans just get skin cancer.
 
 
Triplets
16:59 / 19.08.08
Would humans gain Kryptonian powers under a white or blue star? Fan! Fic!
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
17:03 / 19.08.08
as has been mentioned in the GM batman thread, there's an old story arc where Batman gets transported to an alien world where human beings gain superman-like powers. the Zurr-en-arr thing.
 
 
chairmanWOW
07:17 / 20.08.08
Thanks everyone. Kryptonian physiology sure is neat.
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:46 / 11.10.08
Along the same lines, but different -

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the fortress of solitude in the middle of the Sahara desert?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:40 / 11.10.08
I seem to recall a narrative caption in one of those Brave and the Bold Perez lovefests about him having had multiple Fortresses all over the place at different times...including a Mexican pyramid and possibly one in the 17th Century? I'd have to look it up.
 
 
SiliconDream
20:37 / 11.10.08
Jonathan Kent did get superpowers from a blue sun recently.

And Krypto had his Doghouse of Solitude in space, which is probably better for both sunbathing and, well, solitude.

Pre-Crisis, though, Kryptonians generally didn't get more superpowered from more sunlight, so it wouldn't matter powers-wise whether Superman had his fortress in the Sahara, the Arctic or at the surface of the sun.
 
 
Triplets
20:20 / 12.10.08
Actually, shouldn't Superman get fatter the more sunlight he gets? Time to hit the Cosmic Treadmill, Superfatty.
 
 
garyancheta
23:39 / 12.10.08
Okay, weird knowledge time:

For some reason, I think it was Byrne, who established that his Heat Vision is a way he can release excess solar radiation. If he gets supercharged, it takes him a while to release solar energy.

He can also release solar energy through extension of flying or punching, but that takes longer than his heat vision powers.
 
 
SiliconDream
00:19 / 13.10.08
Actually, shouldn't Superman get fatter the more sunlight he gets? Time to hit the Cosmic Treadmill, Superfatty.

Cruiser from Sovereign Seven excepted, superpeople seem to store all their excess energy in their muscles, not their fat. Charge them up and they Hulk out, but they don't get a gut.

Actually, sometimes they store energy as fat. But only if it's on their chest.
 
 
This Sunday
04:51 / 13.10.08
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the Clark-gut was legit and Supes just sucks it up. He's super like that.
 
  

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