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DC Universe Surgery

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Mario

14:01 / 12.11.07

My mistake. Late pre-Crisis, anyway.

Aertho

14:13 / 12.11.07

Not hideous, but certainly not timeless.

doctorbeck

15:17 / 12.11.07

that costume hurt my eyes

grant

16:10 / 12.11.07

Perhaps if you stretched the hood a little before trying it on next time?

matsya

02:18 / 14.11.07

yep. last son of krypton. sole survivor of a doomed planet.

except for the monkey, the dog, the teenybopper, the multiply retconned woman from the other dimension, all those other guys from the other dimensions, the city in a bottle, all those rocks, the three other dudes from that 1950s story, all those badguys, that computer thing that replaced him for a while...

you know what pissed me off? they brought red kryptonite back (again) in that issue of the brave and the bold and instead of making him fat, or flat, or giving him an ant head or a lion head (or an ant-lion head - cool!) it just mangled him up a bit and made him say "nnnnnurggggh..."

you want a summing up of why old comics are better than new comics? that's it right there.

matsya

02:21 / 14.11.07

oh, and the little kid. i didn't know about the little kid until I googled the third kryptonian to find out more.

yay. superman's a dad. a FOSTER dad. how exciting!

SiliconDream

06:05 / 14.11.07

you know what pissed me off? they brought red kryptonite back (again) in that issue of the brave and the bold and instead of making him fat, or flat, or giving him an ant head or a lion head (or an ant-lion head - cool!) it just mangled him up a bit and made him say "nnnnnurggggh..."

Well, but that was because he was getting hit by a thousand separate pieces of Red K simultaneously. The individual pieces are still supposed to be able to make him fat or ant-headed or whatever.

I thought it was rather an ingenious method of assassination myself.

Mario

09:42 / 14.11.07

One piece of handwaving I've read is that they are taking "Last Son of Krypton" in a new direction... as literally "the last child born on Krypton".

I'm not complaining, tho. I think there are more stories in Clark exploring his heritage than in him moping about being alone in the universe.

Spaniel

08:23 / 15.11.07

the slapper, the titty broad from the other dimension

C'mon, matsya, you know better than to use that kind of language here.

Evil Scientist

09:23 / 15.11.07

C'mon, matsya, you know better than to use that kind of language here.

Seconded, entirely unnecessary.

matsya

07:01 / 25.11.07

ah. sorry all. edited accordingly.

re: red k though, wouldn't it have been more fun to make him flip from one weird silver-age version to another, like anthead BAM lionhead BAM flat BAM made of gas BAM and so on?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:49 / 25.11.07

Would have taken up too much page space for what is meant to be a fairly compressed comic-- it's a quick and too the point sequence.

matsya

03:09 / 27.11.07

yeah, maybe, but even the premise - let's make red kryptonite a murder weapon - kind of bugged me there.

i mean the thing is, obviously, that this isn't the kind of comic that is meant for my tastes, but it started out with wonderwoman and power girl punching mummies and I got sucked in.

they should have kept punching mummies.

Mysterious Transfer Student

09:26 / 29.11.07

Having been horrified by the reports in this forum of the COUNTDOWN fallout, but having a hankering for some DC goodness, can anyone recommend me any current titles that haven't been completely corrupted by the madness? Gail Simone's Atom and the current Brave & the Bold are really my speed, but I'd like more.

Sorry if this isn't quite the right thread for a request like this, but none of the other current general threads seemed appropriate.

Chew On Fat

10:05 / 29.11.07

Apparently Gail Simone's new Wonder Woman has beer-swigging talking apes as houseguests. That's got to be good.

The JSA is currently being visited by the morose self-absorbed Superman of Kingdom Come (hmmm - I'm not selling that well!) I don't usually go for G!J!'s work but
I'm interested to see where it goes.

Everyone* says the Brave and the Bold is good fun.

*By which I mean quite a lot of longtime DC fans.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

12:19 / 29.11.07

Hmmmm, this is depressing given the number of DC books I'm still buying, but I'm really having difficulty thinking of anything that hasn't already been mentioned, and isn't written by Mozza that I can unreservedly recommend. There's Metal Men, which is a pretty spiffy title, full of time-bending, lost loves, killer robots and gorgeously odd art. Then there's maybe Milligan's Infinity Inc, which isn't exactly joyful old-school DC, but is an alright book - not nearly among Milligan's best, but certainly far better than his worst. I've heard that Busiek's Superman stuff isn't half bad, but I've read very little of it, so I couldn't really recommend it myself. Beyond that you are probably sinking very fast into a mass of mediocrity. McDuffie's JLA, and Johns/Jeff Katz Booster Gold are both at least readable, and pre-sinsestro corps bollocks the Green Lantern books weren't that bad, but I wouldn't recommend them now.

Grady Hendrix

13:46 / 29.11.07

Gail Simone's Wonder Woman isn't the heals-lepers-with-a-single-touch comic that it's being hailed as, but it is good fun (after only one issue) so I'm hoping it's going somewhere good. And Brave and Bold is the closest I've seen to 80's, pre/mid-Crisis DC heroes. I was enjoying Legion of Superheroes but it's gotten pretty slow and stuffy since the switch up in writers.

Grady Hendrix

13:47 / 29.11.07

Checkmate's not half bad, however, and Catwoman is consistently okay - which in the DC universe these days is akin to being frickin' awesome!

Spaniel

14:38 / 29.11.07

[fnark]I think the DC Universe needs surgery[/fnark]

Shutupbobosscock!

Aertho

15:01 / 29.11.07

So, for anyone paying attention, how does Donna Troy work in the Post-52 continuity? WW1 states her to be Diana's sister and raised on Paradise Island. Countdown has her world hopping.

Just curious as to how its set up now.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

15:02 / 29.11.07

Hmmm, Checkmate and Catwoman, eh? I'm not buying either of those. I suppose what I ought to do is drop the four worst DC books I'm getting and give those two a chance instead.

Grady Hendrix

16:23 / 29.11.07

Catwoman is all thumbs when it's doing continuity or bigger events, but when it's just about Catwoman having adventures it's a solid read.

Checkmate is like Suicide Squad only with less action and more talking, but I'll take a comic that has 25% of the fun of the old SS over a lot of other stuff DC's publishing.

Mario

16:37 / 29.11.07

I'm semi-fond of Blue Beetle. It's fun.

matsya

02:20 / 30.11.07

for fun:

Blue Beetle. Teenage superheroes. Always fun when well done. and this is pretty well done.

I'm about to start picking up The All-New Atom reg'lar after seeing the Blue Beetle in Heaven versus Jetpack Hitler episode.

And I'm seriously considering Booster Gold too - another sort of romp thru the multiverse bit, but the subplot that's dealing with Blue Beetle (and the chance to see someone drawing the Dan Garret BB) is sucking me in. I'll try it for a bit and if it shits me too much I'll drop it again.

But yeah, for my money at least the first two are doing a fine example of big fun comics with good, snappy dialogue at the moment.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:56 / 30.11.07

Blue Beetle's fun, as others have said. The new Metal Men series is wildly bizarre and fun and ridiculous, so I'd put on the list.

All-New Atom rocks. It and Beetle are coming to me in pure trade form, because I like having a whole book to smack myself with rather than just a floppy.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

07:35 / 30.11.07

Thanks for the info that Blue Beetle trades exist, I might pick up a Blue Beetle trade when I'm in London today - my LCS was always sold out of the early issues, and I'm just enough of a whiny Ted Kord fan not to have wanted to put it on my pull list unless it was really good, so I've only read one issue. I've been getting the impression that this may have been a mistake for a while.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

07:09 / 20.12.07

Hmmmm, having just read issues 2 and 3 of the Green Arrow & Black Canary series, I'm pleasantly surprised and very close to feeling I could recommend that. It's got a bit of the stink of Countdown and the unecessary deaths that infect the DCU to it, it has to be said, but even so it's quite a fun little book so far, with Winick basically doing what he does well ie lots of smartmouthed but basically likeable characters taking the piss out each other a lot, and it's lot better than the last few years of Winick's solo Green Arrow title. The arts nice as well. I would say that if you are thinking of trying it out it's probably just as well to do so now, since Winick does have a tendancy to be pretty decent for 6-12 issues on a title and then bloody awful for two or three years, so best to check it out now while we're still in the first few issues.

This Sunday

02:25 / 21.04.08

Wasn't the blue big bald dude from Wonderworld (of Morrison's JLA) also called Forerunner, like this blue-skinned gal running about the pre-FC DCU hurting things and sexing defeated birdmen? Is there meant to be a connection (nowhere I've seen online is making one), am I completely off with this, or...?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:38 / 21.04.08

Nah, his name was the Glimmer.

I'm suddenly inclined to reread all my JLA trades...

Aertho

17:49 / 21.04.08

Glimmer was among the chief reasons I thought Shilo Norman might be Scott Free.

Glimmer = achetypical Flash

Phex: Dorset Doom

18:53 / 23.04.08

I've seen this poster on a few comics blogs lately and I can't for the life of me place one of the women in it- the one directly in front of Vixen, between Supergirl and Poison Ivy. Her hair's the wrong color to be Huntress or Big Barda but the only other red-headed DCU female I can think of is Batwoman, who's not exactly on the same level as the rest of the cast yet. Talia Al Ghul maybe?

It's Batwoman.

Who is a lesbian. And also the only one wearing trousers.

OH THAT ADAM HUGHES SO CLEVER SO SUBTLE

This Sunday

22:32 / 23.04.08

I despise that poster. For so many many reasons. Not the least of which is everybody in white and the odd bodytypes.

It's a Marvel Swimsuit mag without even the attempt at winky humor.

LDones

00:28 / 24.04.08

What's to despise about them wearing white? Or about the image at all, for that matter?

I've rolled my eyes at Hughes' work with the best of them, but it looks to me like an innocuous enough homage to the Annie Liebovitz-shot gatefold covers that Vanity Fair does pretty regularly.

A gallery of them.

Hughes' happy-porno-hero-pin-up stuff can be grating and its popularity (his skill or craftsmanship aside) probably speaks to some of the uglier tendencies in superhero comics - but I'd say this was one of his more inoffensive and culture-aware pieces, personally.

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