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Fiction Suit: A User's Manual

 
  

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Vadrice
19:35 / 01.11.01
quote:Other than fictionsuits, what types of extreme, and not so extreme, ego modification have people done and with what results?
The best I have done under the hood of my ego(s) in the past:

Step One- find something that seems like it's more transient or fragile than yourself.

Step Two- do damndest to link big heavy parts of self to findings of step one.

Step Three- Watch as findings of step one come to their end, draging step two's parts of you with them (awayyyy!).

It can be a painful process- akin to pulling a tooth by glueing it to a departing train, but it gets around my inherant aversion to self destruction (in part or whole). The tricky part is that it can be difficult not to tie in more or less than you may actually want- but that's a matter of control which I am far to young and rash to have of yet mastered.

I'm sure this has been thought of, utalized before, but... maybe someone can give it a name and make me happy.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:49 / 01.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Darkside of the Moo:

As we speak, I am reading the Patty Hearst story...
in answer to your question:"TANIA"

As well I am deeply into prometheus rising by RAW. The book is really shedding some light for me as far as Fictionsuits go. Check it out if no one has yet.


But have you actually put those things into practice in your life or are they just 'ego modification' concepts?

If you've put them into effect then what results did you get?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:58 / 01.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:

Other than fictionsuits, what types of extreme, and not so extreme, ego modification have people done and with what results?


In answer to my own question, the biggest thing I've done recently is post on Barbelith under my own name, sharing photos and details of my life, posting all sorts of strange magical stuff in a public forum where any friend, family member or employer can read it, and write an article for Tom. All under my given name.

If you don't think that modifies your ego, consider doing it yourself and notice the various strong emotions that you experience.

Strengthens your ego in some places (hopefully the good parts), weakens the fuck out of it in others (hopefully the parts that you want to get rid of).

Other than some incredibly deep trance and ritual experiences, nothing else has tweaked my views of 'self' more than actually getting out there and stating my ideas and views in public, naked of any 'fictionsuits'.
 
 
Vadrice
23:09 / 01.11.01
It's odd though, because I've been using this fictionsuit for a little over six years now, and it's pretty much universally known by those who know my birthname- in some cases it's more frequently associated.

So while on some mor subtle levels I don't have your perspective, Lothar, I should say that in many ways I see your point.

It rather well does put my little childish experiments to shame.
 
 
Logos
23:16 / 01.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
[QBOther than fictionsuits, what types of extreme, and not so extreme, ego modification have people done and with what results?[/QB]


Well, lessee.

Did the whole prajnaparamita/sunyatta experience thing, the kundalini thing, the shadow projection thing, and created satellite personalities, among other stuff.
 
 
Seth
22:49 / 02.11.01
Logos: I would love it if you explained some of the terms you just used.

The most ego modifying stuff I’ve done revolved around serving the goals and dreams of friends and ‘colleagues’ (for want of a better word. I’m tired and spun out), as well as the day to day running of a church (whether leading, doing creative stuff or manual labour). There’s nothing quite like putting a lid on your own agenda to help make someone else’s work. It can be very painful and humbling, and reveals all your dirty, embarrassing pride problems to everyone around.

Sorry it’s not more mystical and interesting. I just wholeheartedly believe in honest, hardworking, old-fashioned stewardship and apprenticeship as a means of personal development. But then I’m a mucky pup.
 
 
Seth
13:40 / 06.11.01
Rex: make sure you keep us up to date on what you're working on, even if it's off-site.
 
 
Rex City-zen
17:11 / 06.11.01
As we speak,I am trying to fend off Armageddon...
Actually, I am enticing Barbelith to go beyond the box right now and create a brand new card for the tarot...
THE GRAIL

[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Rex City-zen ]
 
 
grant
12:14 / 08.11.01
Surfaces

By Albert Goldbarth


"The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men" (and Martians,
evidently, if this issue of Eerie Adventures from 1953 is any proof)
"Gang aft agley": which might indeed have been in highland Martian
to Corinna when I quoted it, but when I undeciphered it
(go oft astray), she nodded with a weary recognition, Nathan
having (drumroll) wakened only days before to fervently announce
that he was leaving her, that what he really wanted was to be
a woman (cymbals-crash):and no, she hadn't planned on this upheaval
seven years ago in the midst of their traded I do's.
As for the Martian, he's just landed with a "ray machine"
that makes "slave zombies out of every living human being
on the face of the Earth!" Now there's a scheme. And "face"

is what I want to consider-"face," the me we choose to show
the world, whatever shriek or stoic shield we construct for public viewing,
while the minions of the real-me conduct their saturnalia
on some mizzle-hidden hummock in the brain's back ranges
several zillion subjective miles away. Jung says he analyzed
"2,000 dreams per annum" and here, in his detailed journal notes,
they are: the seven-petalled rose, the wolfman pulled like a tide
by the full of the moon, the slinkily sheath-hipped snakegirl,
the grail, the words that leave the mouth on rainbowed wings,
the butchered heart, and the rest. Ascending now from Nathan's
deepest, longest-lost identity wells, is the tiny ivory figure of a woman,
and it won't be denied, it twists, persists, and surfaces


-that is, it comes up into the face. (And with, I should add, a convert's
overzealous use of blush-on and strident viridian lipstick.) He
appears fulfilled: appears, on most days, wonder-filled. Corinna,
however, is flying ever farther, and smaller, into her sky-blue
anti-depressant capsules. This, the "plan-a-sensible-life" instructional tapes
on the Self Help shelf at Mindfood Books & Video never prophesied, and
neither did the actuarial stats; or the priest; or Madame Mystica's Psychic Line.
And as for the Martian . . . it turns out Marilyn and Dan are oceanographers
in a bathysphere experiment, surrounded by the weaving deep-sea beasts
of the Atlantic, when that would-be conqueror rakes his numbing ray
across the landscape: in a sense, they aren't "on the face
of the Earth," so don't succumb. We see them rising


from the planet's most primordial hold and, over the panels
of eight tumultuous comic book pages, battling to avenge and restore
us all. The scene where they first emerge . . . . I can't help
but remember a night, it must have been about 3 a.m. one summer, I saw
a couple come out of the subway staircase, so imbued
with subwayness, so stained with the sense of a far-away
and preexisting darkness, that they seemed to be shambling
out of a lair, and making their way by feelers, like a roach.
Great roils of energy steamed visibly from their bodies.
He was covered in coal and clay, and maybe dung for all I know,
and she was wreathed in pliant seaweed. Or it might be
I imagined them, and that they nodded in passing.
 
 
What do you mean?
20:12 / 08.11.01
er...?
Nice tho'.
 
 
Alasdair
15:37 / 12.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:


In answer to my own question, the biggest thing I've done recently is post on Barbelith under my own name, sharing photos and details of my life, posting all sorts of strange magical stuff in a public forum where any friend, family member or employer can read it, and write an article for Tom. All under my given name.

If you don't think that modifies your ego, consider doing it yourself and notice the various strong emotions that you experience.

Strengthens your ego in some places (hopefully the good parts), weakens the fuck out of it in others (hopefully the parts that you want to get rid of).

Other than some incredibly deep trance and ritual experiences, nothing else has tweaked my views of 'self' more than actually getting out there and stating my ideas and views in public, naked of any 'fictionsuits'.



I really don't have a massive amount to add to this, except to say that, yeah, "me too". A while back I sent a couple of thousand words off for publication in a forthcoming "culture journal" type magazine, that were weird hybrid essay/opinion column/fiction about magic, culture jamming, the ecstatic state and the nature of the self in the modern world.

I've never been more nervous about exposing a piece of writing to public scrutiny, or indeed, happier once I'd sent it off. It's all about accepting that yes, I am a half-mad fucker, and I don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks, and it's really pushed my other magical writings along. I'd recommend it to anyone.

Alasdair
 
 
Gek
16:22 / 15.11.01
<<< sheds a tear as his favorite thread slips into obscurity>>>
 
 
Seth
16:45 / 15.11.01
Is there still stuff you want to mull over with us, then?

I've got it all saved so far, dude.
 
 
Papess
16:47 / 15.11.01
WOW this is an amazing thread. I have to print it out!

-May Tricks
 
 
Papess
16:48 / 15.11.01
WOW this is an amazing thread. I have to print it out!

-May Tricks
 
 
What do you mean?
20:36 / 22.11.01
No more ideas>>> so sad
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:30 / 26.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Alasdair:



I really don't have a massive amount to add to this, except to say that, yeah, "me too". A while back I sent a couple of thousand words off for publication in a forthcoming "culture journal" type magazine, that were weird hybrid essay/opinion column/fiction about magic, culture jamming, the ecstatic state and the nature of the self in the modern world.


Alasdair, where can we find your article? Is it an online or hard copy magazine?

We want to be able to say we knew you before you were famous.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:15 / 28.11.01
Caution: subject changing course

The last time I tripped on acid, I managed to finally figure out exactly what a fiction suit was. I was thinking to myself "It's just like putting on a rubber glove to stick your hand in a pond to mess with the fishes heads". The video-game metaphor helped a good deal, too.
Were I to write a user's manual of a fiction suit, it would sound a lot like a gamesmaster telling someone how to play multiple characters in a role-playing game. Sort of like "when wearing a fiction suit, you have to keep in ming that your suit doesn't know what you know. Of course, you know everything s/he knows, but you have to remember that your fiction suit hasn't experienced everything your Self has. S/he's a completely different person. And when controlling multiple suits, you have to make sure that they act pproperly in regard to what knowledge that individual suit has. Different suits will know different things."
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
00:56 / 29.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Johnny the fugitive:
"when wearing a fiction suit, you have to keep in ming that your suit doesn't know what you know. Of course, you know everything s/he knows, but you have to remember that your fiction suit hasn't experienced everything your Self has. S/he's a completely different person. And when controlling multiple suits, you have to make sure that they act pproperly in regard to what knowledge that individual suit has. Different suits will know different things."


I like that!
 
 
Gek
18:03 / 29.11.01
Not off topic at all.

These are the sorts of entries originally intended for this post and it will definatley be one of the highlights in the upcoming edited fictionsuit operators manual thread...

Amazing insights.
 
 
Gek
18:13 / 06.12.01
 
 
Papess
20:09 / 06.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
[QBOther than fictionsuits, what types of extreme, and not so extreme, ego modification have people done and with what results?[/QB]


A good healthy dose of S&M can really alter one's ego. Whether you are the top or bottom. The details of the "character" depends on your believability and vice versa.
Role-playing, especially in power role-play, the perfect space to hone the ego is created and both roles need a good slice of humble pie in order for it to work.
A good Mistress would engineer a positive and healthy atmosphere for a self-centred ego (as all egos are) to come out of itself and focus on her instead. Self-pity, over-inflated egos and general ego imbalance can be overcome if discipline is administered properly. Alot of relationships with gurus are comparable to this except, the element of sexuality is not relevent to that union. I would not go into any relationship lightly. One must take all matters of relationship seriously. So, please I am not suggesting this is a method is suitable for everyone. The ramifications could be severe if not executed correctly.
This is not the way to enlightenment (for everyone) But, it could be a good time!

-May Tricks
 
 
Gek
20:15 / 06.12.01
Mistress May Tricks?? May I have another??
Sahmaddi through S&M? Interesting.

How about strippers (er...exotic dancers) and the constant change of identity for them? [ "When I'm @ work I'm not Bertha, I'm Strawberry Fox"]The way they cling to nothing and change life stories etc, there must be something there...
...anyone know what I'm talkin' bout?
 
 
Papess
20:35 / 06.12.01
"I'm your private dancer, a dancer for money, I'll be what you want me to be....."-Tina Turner
You have got a point there Rex. In a way they are performing tantric yoga by generating the deity of oh, let us say,.....Bambi. However, these forms of "deity" are not nescessarily enlightened and often lead the performer into delusion. (If the drugs don't do it first)
-May
 
 
Gek
17:30 / 07.12.01
Life itself is a delusion...we all get wrapped up in the fantasy and consistently re-edit our memories (and sometimes futures) into what makes us comfortable.

Life is a stage.We all have a part to play.

Why be an understudy??
 
 
Kid crime
18:07 / 07.12.01
Not much to add, I just wanted to be the 200th post.
 
 
Papess
19:06 / 07.12.01
Of course Rex, all mundane life is an illusion, but I was referring to enlightened deities, meaning, those that are free from illusion. However, if a being is not enlightened yes, they continue to live in illusion. Alas, I am merely hypothisizing since I am nowhere near enlightenment and can only mimic my teachers as best I can at this point.

-May
 
 
Ayrkain Kaivar
06:04 / 12.12.01
quote:Originally posted by City-zen Rex:
Life itself is a delusion...we all get wrapped up in the fantasy and consistently re-edit our memories


I am new here, but not new to the ideas inherent in your conversation. Neil Gaiman wrote a story called "Murder Mysteries" in his collection _Smoke and Mirrors_ in which the angel Raguel, the Vengeance of the Lord, when he needs it, is able to call upon his Aspect. I consider my role-playing characters I've played (at least the ones that became fairly legendary), the magical names I've used, and all my old handles to be evolving parts of my overall Aspect. The Aspect is my Function, it represents the spiritual knowledges I have learned and turns the intellectual concepts into a envisionable abstract. Aspecting feeds a certain portion of our own vital essence towards the acquisition of certain spiritual knowledge/abilities through sympathetic calls and/or correspondence. So I guess what I'm saying is that I saw at the beginning of the thread hints and suggestions of an overall pattern and a subconscious stream that leads us to create different fiction suits. Why did I make a Strength based character rather than an IQ based character? Why did I choose this God-form from an unorthodox religion, as opposed to an orthodox one? Why do my friends see me this way, and hence give me this handle? The first has to do with how one role-plays, some people need to develop the intellect-intuition connection, while others need to develop a stronger emotional tie to the intuitive capacity. The second would make me question whether or not I am comfortable with gestalting and/or validation of my conceptions. The last has to do with how the Aspects of the others see the subject's aspect. This is the nature of human communication. Our Aspects get together and figure out where the script to this play called Life is going long before we even get precog's (if you get those). Anyway, just thought I'd add something to an excellent thread. My Aspect summoned me here to read all of your excellent brainstorming; so I leave you with an (hopefully) equal exchange of energy.

May the Forces of Evil become confused on the Way to your House,

Ayrkain Kaivar
 
 
A. Machine
15:25 / 12.12.01
Ayrkain: Yes.

You, and anyone interested, might want to look up an RPG called 'Nobilis'.
 
 
Ayrkain Kaivar
08:04 / 13.12.01
Another concept that I thought about today was the idea of the Elohim, or the Deities that we conceive of, as being the fiction suits of the Creator. Like Jehovah and Allah being two separate fiction suits of the same Creator God. Dunno, it sounded better in my head, but I'll post it anyway.

May the Forces of Evil become confused on the Way to your House,

Ayrkain Kaivar
 
 
Ground Zero
19:41 / 13.12.01
Scroll back a bit.
We were stroking the tip of the iceberg wit the whole Jesus/Moses/Elias were God's fictionsuits.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.One day the word was made flesh.
What's the word?
What is the ineffable name?
 
 
cusm
19:58 / 13.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Ground Zero:
What's the word?


The bird, bird, bird.
The bird is the word.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
20:17 / 13.12.01
'Revolution'

The word is all of us.

(10 points for the 1st person to name that reference)
 
 
Ellis says:
20:24 / 13.12.01
Um, Saul Willams?
 
 
Papess
20:57 / 13.12.01
Beatles White Album! fuck it I loaded. What did I say?
-May
 
  

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