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Fiction Suit: A User's Manual

 
  

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Rex City-zen
17:58 / 27.09.01
Just an idea---want to see how far it goes.

Excercise:The creation of an operator's manual for utilizing the fiction suit to it's full potential.
Anyone game?
 
 
Seth
09:35 / 28.09.01
One thing I'd like to do is merge with a friend on the board to create a gestalt fiction suit.

I'd also like to log into other message boards as other people's fictionsuits, connecting these posts back to Barbelith via hyperlinks.

I messed around with some stuff in a throwaway thread in the Conversation (allowing a high density of hyperlinks to build a multi-referential tapestry that both extrapolated and directed my train of thought). It became intoxicating, I felt as though I were touching another way of thinking, feeling myself mixing with something much larger.

Plus: editing posts from the future just looks so damn cool.

[ 22-12-2012: Message edited by: expressionless ]
 
 
deja_vroom
16:47 / 28.09.01
One thing I'd like to do is merge with a friend on the board to create a gestalt fiction suit.
>>What's Fiction Suit??
>>What's gestalt?

I messed around with some stuff in a throwaway thread in the Conversation (allowing a high density of hyperlinks to build a multi-referential tapestry that both extrapolated and directed my train of thought). It became intoxicating, I felt as though I were touching another way of thinking, feeling myself mixing with something much larger.

>>Could you explain it more deeply?

Plus: editing posts from the future just looks so damn cool.
>>How do you do it?

Sorry if I sound stupid. I am.
 
 
Kobol Strom
20:28 / 28.09.01
Does creating a series of relationships between data under an assumed alias based upon a character that you generate between yourselves not constitute a kind of game?Are you putting on a mask to hide behind the masks we already wear in these message boards?.At what point do the consequences of your actions 'not' affect you?-After six or seven sub-identities?I think its important,no matter what or who you are or want to be,that you are creating quality.
Interactions between yourself and others,and how they form and change the unconscious is not the cut and paste we might be led to believe.I think our need to understand each other,to make ourselves understood,and the need to relate and overcome our prejudices to create clearer signals,washes more like a tidal wave over our unconscious selves-in the sense that progression leads to a catalyst.We don't so much as analyse one another through unconscious models,like the internet and dreams,but in the struggle to come to terms with 'other' 'suits' is a more naturalistic progression in the mind,almost independent of conscious will.These interactions may play themselves out like a game,if we know our own symbols.But rest assured,these variables can only be controlled up to a point,then there is only a different kind of confusion,embodied in the unconscious mind as the clash between the forces of nature,and you.
 
 
Ria
09:03 / 29.09.01
Rex City-zen, you lost me when you talked about posting to boards as *other people's* fiction suits. did you get their permission or what? and where did you put that thread?

on another note this remembers me of a late '90's book by a caucasian man who in the '70's had alternated between the identities of a white woman and a black man and back to the white male role. "I felt like I was living a 21st or even 22nd century lifestyle." s/he studied psychology.

one of theories in the book had to do with transvestites having genuine other personalities. one of the people he talked to seemed to have three at various times.

one the male, the second the transvestite and the third an integration of the three as they decided to live fulltime as a woman. and he gave psychiatric evaluations to all of the personalities as they evolved.

I don't know the title or the writer of the book, too bad.

[ 29-09-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
Seth
09:03 / 29.09.01
Originally posted by Jade Emperor:
>>What's Fiction Suit??
>>What's gestalt?


A fiction suit is like an on-site identity (ie; mine's expressionless). A gestalt is a merging of two or more beings into one (ie; if I were to merge with you, we may be called Jade Expressionless. The practicalities of our merging would have to be performed by e-mail to agree or posts, so it's not the kind of thing that should be a permanent arrangement. Perhaps to work together on a thread, that kind of thing. No idea whether it's even worth doing: I just like the idea as an experiment, and because it may spark some interesting debate about agendas in net identity).

Originally posted by Jade Emperor:
>>Could you explain it more deeply?

Our minds work by linking information. Every second, occurrences spark cascades of references, memories and related information. The idea was to take the concept of hyperlinks and build it into conversation, where individual word would form links to other sites where information related to the conversation would take place (ie; a conversation following my trail of "net thought"). It was supposed to be a joke, but suddenly I kept finding really pertinent stuff on the web that related not only to the specific conversation, but also to the nature of intertextuality, hyperlinks in non-linear narrative, and contextual truth. In other words, the sites I began finding (just from entering a conversation sentence into a search engine) linked not only to the intended reference but also to the nature of a hyperlinked conversation. I felt as though there were a significant overlap between my mind and the net, as though my consciousness had been enlarged by a factor of infinity. I'm sure if I'd carried on long enough I'd have run into stuff about net consciousness.

At that point, I would become Cyber Christ, and telephoned everyone in the world.

Originally posted by Jade Emperor:
>>How do you do it?

Subscribing to the theory that all points in time are the same, I posited that it would be possible to contact my future self using dreaming techniques. Entering a lucid state, I used the amend time/date functions on my digital watch to shift /(sideways)/ in time, entering the dreaming of my future self.

Of course, this method relies on assumptions (ie; will I be alive in 2012; will Barbelith still be running; will I still be able to access the old thread; etc. Lukily, in three weeks time, Tom will have access to new technology to prevent board crashes, meaning this incarnation of Barbelith will survive until said year). As a quicker, easier alternative, however, you could always copy

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out of someone else's post and paste it into yours, making whatever changes you like.

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Pin
10:25 / 29.09.01
I don't actually have a fiction suit, as my head is all over the place too much of the time anyway, but I did once try a merging fiction suit exercise with Ellis once, where we had a bigf conversation and were going to refine it and post it up here for dicussion. Nothing came of it, as he was the one who was refineing it...

Am I missing out on something here? Does having more then one fiction suit allow for greater possibilites and freedom here? Most people have one to be bithcy at people with, but does Haus have one to be nice with? Is it a deeper experiance, acting like someone else, then I seem ot think it is?
 
 
Kobol Strom
11:56 / 29.09.01
When you read these posts,whose voice is it you hear?Is it the same one all the time,or does the imagined voice change depending on where the poster is?

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out of someone else's post and paste it into yours, making whatever changes you like.

[ 29-09-2001: Message edited by: expressionless ]
Does it always sound the same,or is it up to the writers to introduce the changes in tone?.

[ 29-09-2001: Message edited by: kobol strom ]
 
 
Seth
00:33 / 30.09.01
I have a problem with responding to your posts, Kobol.

Well... it’s less of a problem, and more of a theory.

You see: I don’t think you’re the real Kobol Strom. I think the person who started your fiction suit (whoever that is), posted the passwords to sixty-nine friends when they registered. So you could be anyone!

Good Lord. I just made two thread consistent observations in one post (more than I’ve ever done in my history on the board up ‘til now):

Number One - That humour and game-playing is the nature of posting to the board, and that said exercises can make just as good a point as any serious post.

Number Two: That we are creating a fictional reality, and that no-one may be who they appear (least of all me).

So, in summary: I need proof that you’re the real Kobol Strom. Post something that only the real Kobol Strom would know.

Discern the ontological flaw in that request.

(The third point this post makes: don’t write to Barbelith when pissed as a fart.)
 
 
Kobol Strom
13:29 / 30.09.01
quote: So, in summary: I need proof that you’re the real Kobol Strom. Post something that only the real Kobol Strom would know.
If I posted that,you wouldn't believe me.
There are as many reasons to believe some facts about life and further reasons to doubt them.When we doubt the masks we wear,who doubts?When we act out our lives under assumed names,who questions the name?In the dreams of the sane mind,who is becoming lucid?.What does your dream world say about you,that your dream reflections do not?.What insights does a fiction suit provide that aren't a mirror of what happens in your mind.There is amazing insight when the real self comes closest to the point in the mind where all transmissions rise.we are energy.When you go out of yourself,you'll remember your name,you'll remember your mission.But there is a danger that these interactions arise from the 'Transmission rooms' of the mind.There is a fear that when we die,even as energy,we would need to be rescued,and I've had dreams where this unconscious fear is allayed.But I can't be sure any of it's true,or is not some machination of the 'id' to create what in our society is an often marginalised state:that of the balanced mind.Its just not cool to walk this path any more,even before our society as a whole has had time to acknowledge the potential of this state.And now,what is recquired by the seeker,is the road to sanity by the route less travelled by.I believe there are monks in our dreams,pulling the strings to make us find the right path.I believe we have never really enjoyed chocolate,the way it's supposed to be.As ideas,our many cultural vices are pale imitations of what our inner minds know about perfection.Heaven itself,is an inner mind holiday camp of ideas.God functions to the wishes of the heart for forgiveness and compassion as the presence of an idea,but not its reality.To look into the eyes of God after confessing your sin,is to see an endless brick wall.Then you realise that the absolution you have found,is in consolidating your world and your deeds,-with your 'self'.Consolidate all your thoughts and feelings,your sense of self and your dream worlds,and you are left in the endless light of the energy radiating from the centre of 'where you are'.Then ask yourself:
Have I really had chocolate?.
 
 
Seth
16:49 / 30.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Pin:
Am I missing out on something here? Does having more then one fiction suit allow for greater possibilites and freedom here? Most people have one to be bithcy at people with, but does Haus have one to be nice with? Is it a deeper experiance, acting like someone else, then I seem ot think it is?


I don’t think you’re missing out, pal. I don’t use a second fiction suit either. I post solely as expressionless because I think the board is more rewarding that way. It’s my way of saying, “This is me, warts and all, with all my inconsistencies, humour and approach intact.”

Not to say that I haven’t thought about alternate fiction suits. I never rule anything out.

quote:Originally posted by Kriztalyne:
Rex City-zen, you lost me when you talked about posting to boards as *other people's* fiction suits. did you get their permission or what? and where did you put that thread??


I must have been doing a damn good Rex impression.

It was just an experiment I was considering in order to mess with ideas of identity and location on the internet. I would probably only have done it with people I know well off-site.

quote:Originally posted by Kobol Strom:
If I posted that,you wouldn't believe me.

That was the point I was making. Sorry, Kobol: I didn’t mean to seriously question your authenticity on the board. It was supposed to be a joke. May have been too obscure in the whole pissed up heat of the moment.
quote:Originally posted by Kobol Strom:
Have I really had chocolate?.

I imagine the answer to that is different according to where you’re from. We’ve got Cadburys, and they’re pretty shit hot. However, the Belgians still put us to shame.

Yanks, however, are in real trouble. You simply have not mastered chocolate.

[ 30-09-2001: Message edited by: expressionless ]
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:59 / 30.09.01
quote:Originally posted by expressionless:

Yanks, however, are in real trouble. You simply have not mastered chocolate.

[ 30-09-2001: Message edited by: expressionless ]


I know. Believe me I KNOW
 
 
Kobol Strom
11:21 / 01.10.01
Thanks exp,I knew you were kidding,I think I was trying to say,that we 've never really met the 'real' any of us,or the quintesential expressionless.
 
 
Solaris
12:03 / 01.10.01
What's all this talk of fiction suits? Am I to infer that people on Barbelith aren't...using... their REAL names? I for one have been entirely honest by claiming to be a giant robot sun, and I know that my friend Fiction Suit Five was christened with that name. For shame, sirs and madams, for shame...
 
 
Seth
13:45 / 01.10.01
I do not post under my real name for fear of distorting space-time. The resulting strain on reality may fry lesser 'Lithers.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
13:56 / 01.10.01
He lies. I've always known him as expressionless, and I remember when Mum brought him home from the hospital twenty-three years, six months and twenty-five days ago.
 
 
Seth
14:23 / 01.10.01
Tell you what, Jack: If you leave this thread, I'll give you the awesome secrets of the family nose.

Hang on… No.

It's funnier if I don't.

Everyone: what's that on his face?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
15:19 / 01.10.01
This has gotta be why I don't use a fictionsuit
 
 
Kobol Strom
09:01 / 02.10.01
If this was my real name,I'd be a seven foot scandinavian sheep herder with lightning coming out my ass.Which of course,is far,far from the truth.Leonard Nimoy ..to Vulcan.Far.
 
 
Tucker Tripp
09:01 / 02.10.01
I/ we just wanted to say great thread. Thanks especially to expressionless and kobol storm for very insighhtful comments and yes...

Cadbury chocolate is veeerrry good - but I havn't worked out if its real yet.
 
 
nul
09:01 / 02.10.01
This has gotta be why I don't use a fictionsuit.

Put 'er there!
 
 
Seth
09:01 / 02.10.01
Anyone remember Legs Akimbo, the anonymous fiction suit? This was an idea I really liked. The password was posted in a Creation forum thread. Anyone could log in and say whatever they liked (i.e.; played devil's advocate in a debate, post a Barbecrush, etc). Much better than having to worry about an alternate board identity. The only problems come if he's used irresponsibly, or is dismissed as just someone trying to move a debate along with no personal investment in the ideas being raised.
 
 
Pin
09:01 / 02.10.01
Wanna make it any more obvious that you're the one who just logged in as LEGS AKIMBO then? Can I have the password now... ?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:05 / 02.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Brenden Simpson:
This has gotta be why I don't use a fictionsuit.

Put 'er there!


So does this make us

a) braver than those who wear fictionsuits?
b) less imaginative than those who wear fictionsuits?
c) more stupid than those who wear fictionsuits?

Oh shit... I just set myself up for a Brenden Simpson put down didn't I.

Seriously, to those who wear their suits with pride, what active 'uses' of the suit do you engage in? What do you think the benefits are? Drawbacks?

To people like Brenden and I who post under our meatspace given names what benefits/drawbacks do you perceive?
 
 
Solaris
12:10 / 02.10.01
We can track you down...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

um, HAAHAHAHAHAHAH...

HA...

Nothing quite like the sinister laughter of a giant robot sun. Nobody can harm the giant robot sun!!!!! Nobody!!!!
 
 
deja_vroom
12:15 / 02.10.01
what about a giant macarena eclipse?
 
 
Seth
12:24 / 02.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Pin:
Wanna make it any more obvious that you're the one who just logged in as LEGS AKIMBO then? Can I have the password now... ?


Unless it's someone reading the thread who thought the idea sounded like a laugh. Didn't we all make the point earlier that we couldn't make assumptions with fiction suits? Thinking about it, I'm not sure if you're actually Pin right now… I think you're a Legs Akimbo style anonymous suit (would explain your fluctuating spelling). Perhaps you're a pedophile…

I honestly don't know whether Ol' Legs survived the last board crash (I can't remember if he was before or after).
 
 
Solaris
12:37 / 02.10.01
I laugh in the face of the giant macarena eclipse. And the small fandango moon.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:08 / 02.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Solaris:

Nothing quite like the sinister laughter of a giant robot sun. Nobody can harm the giant robot sun!!!!! Nobody!!!!


If you want the right echoing effect for your sinister laughter you Need to put everything in bold like Starwolf does. BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
 
Seth
14:37 / 02.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
Seriously, to those who wear their suits with pride, what active 'uses' of the suit do you engage in? What do you think the benefits are? Drawbacks?


It's my superhero name! I've always wanted a superhero name. Sure beats my Wu Tang name: Alarmingly Named Wolf-Man . Anyone here have a fiction suit named after your result from the Wu Name site?

Seriously… I gave myself a fiction suit name because it seemed like the done thing to do when I registered. I've considered changing it to my real name, as my posts are not intended to be "in character." When I first joined I didn’t think anyone here posted under their real name even those that seemed to be.

One thing I love about having a fiction suit is telling people your real name after you've got to know them (through meeting them, sending e-mails and private messages). It's a nice way… I don't know… display a bit of trust and vulnerability, bond a bit, maybe. I'm here to make friends (along with the obvious ideas exchange, which is secondary), and it's a nice way of letting someone know that's what you consider them to be. The net can be so… impersonal.

That's one reason why I find the Graemlins so useful. I use a lot of body language to express my feelings and affection when I'm with friends in person. Any way this can be extended into the board is appreciated. I wish we had more Graemlins. One for shaking hands. One for a hug. One for asking _______ to swivel.

To anyone with encyclopedic knowledge of magical practices: talk to me about the use of ceremonial masks in rituals (or anything else magical that's thread related). I want to see if there are any useful parallels and adaptable techniques.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
15:32 / 02.10.01
quote:Originally posted by expressionless:


Sure beats my Wu Tang name: Alarmingly Named Wolf-Man . Anyone here have a fiction suit named after your result from the Wu Name site?


Heh. I just checked that site out. I'm "Erratic Assasin"
 
 
nul
04:37 / 03.10.01
a) braver than those who wear fictionsuits?
b) less imaginative than those who wear fictionsuits?
c) more stupid than those who wear fictionsuits?


I hope it's a, but I end up thinking the real answer is d) all of the above.

I'm currently to busy working out the exact details of a "Brenden Simpson" put down. I'll get back to you on that one.

To people like Brenden and I who post under our meatspace given names what benefits/drawbacks do you perceive?

If we are famous, we'll get the name recognition we deserve. Unfortunately, we aren't famous and thus this argument does not apply. Therefore, I must conclude there are no benefits. We just post messages the same way we'd harrass people in meatspace, I imagine.

Not to mention it's easier for people to track us down and douse our homes in goat blood. Or set a hex upon us.

Or... ...Mr. Tuppan, I'm scared.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:10 / 03.10.01
So Bravery and Stupidity are definitely hand in hand on this one.

But, Mr. Simpson, after your last couple of sentences my imagination is working just fine
 
 
Rex City-zen
16:39 / 03.10.01
1. Goat's blood...nice choice.

2. Expressionless...do your REX CITY-ZEN imtation...I heard it's good.

3. The fiction suit goes beyond on-line identities...Let's explore that aspect.

4. This thread confirms to me that Barbelith is just one person with alot of time on their hands.

5. Who is Rex City-zen anyways and why should we care what he thinks??

6. Where is the wu name site??

REX
 
 
Rex City-zen
19:55 / 03.10.01
 
  

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