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Fiction Suit: A User's Manual

 
  

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Nietzsch E. Coyote
22:58 / 08.01.03
Seeing as City-zen Rexpressionless and you 2 are 1, did you make yourself a little nervous as well?
 
 
gravitybitch
00:52 / 09.01.03
All of me are a little nervous now....

Is anybody else experiencing weird synchronicities in writing narrative hypersigils??
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:16 / 09.01.03
yes. The novel I am working on is starting to mess with me.
 
 
mixmage
01:16 / 10.01.03
nauseous.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:18 / 10.01.03
Ah, I only wish that expressionless and I had merged into the gestalt fictionsuit proposed earlier. We 2 are 2, believe u me. Ot's hard to believe that so much time has passed since the start of this thread...anyone have any ideas how to edit and represent the fine points of this spectacle?
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
19:41 / 18.01.03
I just read this thread in one long burst.

That sound you hear is my head melting. In a good way. I'll tell you all what happens when I try to have Monkey King use me as a fictionsuit next week...
 
 
mixmage
03:28 / 19.01.03
... be very careful what you wish for, kiddies!

step carefully!

[G.C. OUT]
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:23 / 21.01.03
Well, I haven’t started writing my own narrative or anything yet, so I haven’t been tooling with a fictionsuit in that respect. But I am considering using Rothkoid instead of my real name for my musical endeavours. Kinda like PJ Harvey, I suppose, in the early days? Maybe. I just feel like it’d be more comfortable to have the suave Rothkoid rather than the slightly crap me to take on this stuff; but am curious as to whether it’d snap my brain in half. I have an email address – shitbox Hotmail, natch – which at the moment is full of spam to my fictionsuit, though. You know; “Rothkoid: meet her now!”; “Add extra inches, Rothkoid”; “Increase your breast size, Rothkoid”; “Money for Rothkoid!” – it’s a strange feeling to read it; it’s mail addressed to someone else who’s also me.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:10 / 22.01.03
I'm weirded out by spam from emails which include my suit in their addresses, eg: l610mordantcarnivala0214@spammer.com.

I'm currently using affirmations to improve those areas of my life where lust for result is likely to bugger up a simple sigil, ie jobs and novel-writing. I write out my intent 15 times, thusly:

I, [Real Name], will get a job I like.

I've toyed with the idea of extending this to my fic suit, but for more abstract/magickal goals that don't really apply to my meatspace life. Something like, "I, [fic suit], will become a legendary hero", only less poncey. However, I've yet to put this into practice because I can't help picturing the ways in which it could all go Horribly Wrong.
 
 
cusm
12:33 / 22.01.03
MC, you've just triggered an idea.

In magic ritual, one casts circle or declares sacred space as a means to create a space that is not considered a part of the normal everyday world, one where the normal rules do not apply, where one can feel safe within these limits to allow themselves to let go and take full part in the experience of the magick being done. One disconnects from reality in order to create a magickal reality for the working at hand, within the limits of the circle.

Could then one apply this fundamentaly basic technique to use of fiction suits to avoid lust for results? What if YOU wanted to get a job, but your suit really doesn't give a damn about it? One could then first invoke the suit and then preform the magick as the suit. Then, in the banishing, return from the suit to your normal self. If the suit is preforming the magick, and the suit doesn't care abot the results, the suit then acts as a buffer from the dreaded Lust For Results. This allows the standard personality to long for the desire all it wants, as it did not preform the magick. That was the suit.

Kinda like self invocation in a way there. MPD as a magickal tool?
 
 
Seth
19:19 / 22.01.03
LOL. More like Attention Deficit Disorder as a magical tool!
 
 
mixmage
15:44 / 23.01.03

One such "all going wrong" happens when ya Suit gets too loud and starts drawing flak toward the IRL you.

Just look for muzzleflashes while I run.

Never take third light.
 
 
Badbh Catha
16:38 / 23.01.03
MPD as a magickal tool? – cusm

It might help to provide some links with information about "MPD" or Dissociative Identity Disorder as it's now known. It certainly sounds rather dire, and not something very safe to mess about with magickally (or otherwise).

It has its detractors as well.
 
 
cusm
17:13 / 23.01.03
Yet, at the same time, it is touted by some such as Peter Caroll as a means to transcend the limits of personality. To some extent, what you do when you create a fiction suit is create a new personality that you wear for whatever purpose it is for. Its a little like MPD without the D part, as you're in control of the experience.
 
 
Chiropteran
17:33 / 23.01.03
Unfortunately, I don't know how useful much of the "official" medical information on MPD will actually be, on a practical level. Much more useful would be to hit the actual Multiples community on the web. A lot is Support Group type stuff, which is wonderful for those involved, but more interesting to us are those who assert that Multiple Personalities are not a "medical condition" that they "suffer" from, but an alternative way of organizing mind and personality (although for the most part involuntarily, as a response to deep trauma - a perspective widely held to be True, but increasingly questioned by some Multiples).

Myself, I've long experienced consciousness as what is sometimes called a "mid-continuum" multiple: not dissociated enough to call it a disorder (i.e., fairly controllable, doesn't disrupt day-to-day functioning, etc.), but more clearly divided than the typical person. Or, by the two-continuum model gradually gaining credibility in the multiple community, high in multiplicity (many alters) but fairly low in dissociation (no/few blackouts, shared experience, etc.). My multiplicity doesn't result from any remembered trauma; I'm just built this way.

To get more topical, though, many of my alters have their own distinctive magickal talents and styles, while a couple of us are fairly strict materialists or non-believers. My experiences with my alters are strikingly similar to much of what I'm now reading about invokation and even servitors (when an alter sets out on a magickal task while someone else "fronts," then they come back and announce that they've done it). cusm's comment about using fiction-suits to sidestep "lust of result" seems to hold true here, also.

(And Mordant, I got spam not that long ago from an email address that was actually my old, cancelled yahoo address with the same prefix as my current hotmail address. Spooky shit...)

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Lepidopteran
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:16 / 24.01.03
Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the Magick forum...
 
 
Seth
11:13 / 25.01.03
There's a school of thought that suggests that DID is caused mostly by therapists. The idea is that they dissociate parts of their patients in order to deal with specifics, and fail to successfully reintegrate them. The suggested way of dealing with this is to therefore find out what the original therapist did and work in reverse order to put the person back together. It's a theory that I encountered first while reading Bandler and Grinder: according to them that haven't found anyone with DID who wasn't made that way as a bi-product of inexpert therapy.
 
 
Chiropteran
14:00 / 27.01.03
*raises hand* No therapy.

No, seriously, that is a theory that has some compelling evidence. It certainly is clear that DID/MPD can be produced by the therapist, but there are a great many people (myself included) who claim MPD (or other, less extreme degrees of personality fragmentation) who have either never had therapy, or whose "condition" predated therapy. There are even some who claim that their fragmentation predates their abuse/trauma, the other prevailing theory (or that there was no trauma at all).

Still, the techniques that were "inexpert" for therapeutic purposes may be exactly what is called for when deliberately attempting to divide ones personality into different fiction-suits for magickal work.

Anyone else have any first-hand experience with intentional multiple-personality division of this sort?

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~Lepidopteran
 
 
-=Velius=-
16:32 / 27.01.03
I have found that my "controlled MPD" (my personas existed prior to therapy) has come in fairly handy as a majickal tool. There are a few of us that know what's going on and usually take "front" when the time comes to actually doing the work. Having multiples working on a ritual or energy work has allowed for many different effects to be produced. In some ways, it would be like a group of people working on a single project - each person brings a different energy and idea to the project, and each person's contribution is helpful. I have found it to be fairly similiar when I am doing energy work on my own. Yes, charging sigils and whatnot does take a bit longer, but I have found that the extra flavour chrystals of energy add a nice minty burst to my work.


-=Velius=-
 
 
cusm
21:22 / 31.01.03
I don't fragment, I follow a strict mandate of unification, even should I adopt new personas. I insist on sharing all resources with all of me. But I know some folks who do, and have spent some time in their heads. Its interesting stuff. It can be a mental fileing system, a useful tool for magickal work, but it can also get out of hand and develop into full blown MPD as well. These things can happen when you tinker too much with your psyche. Thus are the sometimes dangers of magick.
 
 
Quantum
09:49 / 16.05.03
*Bump* this is not only a classic thread, but particularly relevant to the narrative hypersigil project. Potentially we have people's suits making characters in a story (suits for suits) and if that character dons a persona for some purpose we'll have suits for suits for suits for people. Postmodernism has a lot to answer for...
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
12:37 / 16.05.03
I think the coolest thing about the suits is that you can have so many of them. For example, I'm not wearing a suit when I'm on Barbelith. I really am Spyder. When I go back to the *real* world, I put on a fictional identity that is my birth name. When I write, I put myself in a fiction suit and am in everything I write. When I act, I'm wearing a fiction suit that someone else wrote down...
 
 
cusm
14:26 / 16.05.03
Suits playing characters donning personaes that do invocations... Aye, its enough to make your head spin.
 
 
Who's your Tzaddi?
20:17 / 16.05.03
♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ All hail the return of the "Herpes" thread of Magick! ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠

I honestly would love to see a thread where we could create our own narrative hypersigils / pseudogriphy in order to empower our magical personas / fiction suits. Is that the purpose of the RPG thread going on?

TZ=TimewaveZero

(aka ≡≡≡ †zÅÐÐi°²³≡≡≡)
 
 
*
03:05 / 17.05.03
{curious}
Does everyone here believe in a "real, true, self"? Does anyone? Or rather, who leans toward "does" and who leans toward "doesn't", and why?
{/curious}
 
 
Salamander
03:12 / 17.05.03
I know I used to, but really now I believe the self is a fiction, every personality is a fiction suit, there is no self, teehee matrix referance.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:00 / 17.05.03
I sometimes think that I'm a fiction suit for a writer, and that my life is their story. But then again, I'm crazy...
 
 
Quantum
19:21 / 17.05.03
Tzaddi- if you were a fishook what would you believe? The RPG hypersigil project is ontologically fluid, meld it to your will.
entitything- there is no self, I can tell you. Seriously, what is the self? It's what you decide it is, or as YHVH would say "I AM"

How many selves do each of us have?
 
 
Quantum
19:23 / 17.05.03
Spyder- check out the 'who is writing your life?' thread. Sounds like you're an Alan Moore character- congratulations!
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
12:19 / 19.05.03
When I read that one I decided that Bendis and Bagley were doing a six month run for me right now. I keep waiting for the nearly happy ending... Maybe after that I'll let Alan Moore have his way with it.

There are times that I like the idea of jumping into someone else's suit. Controling athe person next to you for a bit while you're doing your thing. I mean, how many different "me"'s are there? Is it possible that I have a John-A-Dreams/Quimper/Jack Flint thing going on?
 
  

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