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Benny the Ball
12:32 / 09.03.05
What with this, and V making all the right noises, it could be an interesting time - if the studios are shown that faithful can sometimes = good, that is.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:07 / 09.03.05
SIN CITY, of course, is being made netirely outside the studio system—shot and edited at Rodriguez's own facilities in Texas.
 
 
_Boboss
14:08 / 14.03.05
this is kinda fun - wee site lets you compare stills from the movie with panels from the books.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:15 / 17.03.05
I keep thinking this movie is like months away, but it's in just a few weeks! Very psyched for this...
 
 
FinderWolf
18:37 / 22.03.05
Two! Weeks!
 
 
CameronStewart
06:52 / 24.03.05
Caught a screening of Sin City this evening - suffice to say that if you like the comic books, you wil definitely like the movie, seeing as it's the most literal comic-to-film adaptation ever. It's really a very strange experience seeing Miller's drawings come to life on film. Despite Rodriguez and Tarantino's involvement this is Miller's film through and through.

It is HARDCORE violent, too. There were several audible gasps from the audience at some of the onscreen brutality. Squeamish beware, the movie is MORE violent than the comic, or at least the violence has greater impact because there is the additiion of motion, sound, and the audience's identification with live people instead of drawings. Blood - even though a lot of it is bright yellow, or white - pumps and sprays, bones are broken, bodies are cut to pieces. I knew going in that it was going to be violent but I still winced at some of it. Think the House of Blue Leaves segment of Kill Bill, but less funny. It is definitely not for those who don't like violent movies.

Mickey Rourke OWNS the movie, his Marv is just amazingly perfect. He was far and away my favourite of all the cast (and how often do you praise Mickey Rourke?), with Clive Owen coming a close second. A lot of the performances walk that very shaky tightrope between melodrama and high camp, but most pull it off. Brittany Murphy unfortunately doesn't.

It's definitely a "guy movie" - a hyper-exaggerated macho power fantasy writ large. I'm very curious to see how it plays to female audiences....
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:04 / 24.03.05
Drooling.
 
 
Spaniel
11:27 / 24.03.05
Cam, I take it you really enjoyed it?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
11:50 / 24.03.05
Well if Cam' liked it then this guy dropped trou' in the cinema and screamed 'TAKE ME NOW BIG BOY!' at the screen.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:46 / 24.03.05
Yeshu. That guy didn't even get his pants down in time.

Messy.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:58 / 24.03.05
>>>Cam, I take it you really enjoyed it? <<<

Yep, I really enjoyed it.

Parts of it did make me feel a bit uncomfortable, and as I say, I've yet to hear from any women who've seen it but I really am curious about the female perspective. It's a movie where every woman is a pornstar sexbomb in a thong, who'll get a slap from a man if she "has it coming," where you get lines like "Lucille's a dyke, but god knows why - with that body of hers she could have any man she wants." I think the word "misogynist" is gonna pop up a few times in reviews...

But yeah, I did enjoy it as a cool experiment and a perfect adaptation of the comic.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:37 / 01.04.05
Very psyched to see this - it seems most of the media/reviewers are loving it, with only about 1/3 saying "too violent, too over the top, too macho," etc.

I love that the average American will now know what Sin City is and be a little more acquainted with Frank Miller, who the mainstream media only really cared about previously because of Dark Knight Returns (the first one).
 
 
vajramukti
00:42 / 02.04.05

this's gotta be the most hardcore fucking thing i've ever seen. i love it. when it's miller's bizzarre stylistic tics on the page it's one thing.

but holy fuck, man.

everyone conveniently forgets all the outrageous shit miller drops and never explains. like the flying dolls in DKR, or the the fact that these cannibal sickos are also ninjas with nerdy dress sense, or the ninja hookers, or the cops with facepaint, or the genetic engineering to grow back your dick that makes you turn yellow. the bloody nihilism and horror is one thing, but it's the lynch like dream surrealism that makes it hit hard.

and mickey rourke is a god. i forgive him for all the useless shit he's ever done, on the strength of his showing here.

fucking hell
 
 
Math is for suckers!
04:39 / 02.04.05
I just saw it an hour ago and loved it. Seeing a comic with such an original visual style come to life in a way that manages to stick so closely to the source material is both surreal and wonderful. I was truly blown away by it. As for the female perspective, I saw it with a female friend of mine who had never read the comics but she still enjoyed it quite a bit. However she also enjoyed Kill Bill so I guess that should be taken into account.
 
 
eddie thirteen
04:45 / 03.04.05
This movie gave me an orgasm in my brain. If it's a fanboy movie, so be it...if it's a sexist fanboy movie, so be it (though I saw more than a few packs of youngish girls there, sans boyfriends, enough so that for a moment I thought I'd maybe walked into Beauty Shop by accident)...for the first forty minutes or so at least, I saw what was for me what Spider-Man must have been to...y'know...those other fanboys. I totally, TOTALLY wanted nothing more than to step into the screen and just, like, go live there. Wow. Just.....wow.

Sadly, the Marv segment SO owns the picture that the rest of Sin City just doesn't feel quite up to snuff -- to me. I'm not sure structuring the movie as three separate stories was the best way to go; Miller plays with chronology enough in the GNs that it wasn't really necessary, either (i.e., the GNs tend to overlap). It felt a little too Pulp Fiction in that regard, and again I felt like the last two stories (which would otherwise have been fucking amazing) suffered somewhat for...well...just not being the first story.

My only other quibbles are that (a) everyone smokes ALL THE FUCKING TIME, which -- as a smoker stuck in a movie theatre for two hours -- is a little anxiety-inducing (I found myself wondering if the one or two walkouts that I witnessed were due to the gore, the abuse of women, or just because said deserters just couldn't take any more and HAD to have a cigarette), and that (b) white blood squibs, quite frankly, look like big blasts of busted nut. Perhaps this is just me. Weird psychosexual connotations aside, however, I couldn't help but feel that some bright bright RED amidst all that black and white would not have been out of place (but I suppose might have netted the film an NC-17 a la the original version of Kill Bill Volume 1).

Oh! And I was crushed that we didn't get to see Marv visit his mom. Oh, well.

On the plus side...uh...on the plus side is everything else.
Well...okay, I probably wouldn't have cast Bruce Willis as Hartigan; he does a good enough job, but he kinda comes across less as a grizzled old cop than he does Bruce Willis in old guy makeup with a totally unconvincing scar. On the other hand, the Hartigan/Nancy relationship plays just as desperate, weird, creepy and strangely sweet to me here as it always did in the comics, to the credit of Willis and Jessica Alba both -- in a way, Marv's "relationship" with Goldie almost seems healthier. Great twisted stuff.

I'm still trying to decide if this movie is sexist -- I think it's more misanthropic than anything else. The women in the film are all either hookers, strippers, or just arbitrarily naked, yeah...but then again, the men in the film are all either psychos, psychos for hire, cannibalistic psychos, or psychos with hearts of gold. (With the possible exception of Dwight, who -- with his backstory omitted -- doesn't seem to be much of anything except a guy who just happens to be hanging around Brittany Murphy's apartment when he takes it upon himself to dive out a window and kick ass when he could, in fact, be getting laid. Which kinda makes him a psycho, too.) Besides which, any theory of criticism that would lead logically to the removal of Carla Gugino's nude scene is clearly one I myself want nothing to do with.
 
 
ibis the being
01:48 / 04.04.05
As for the female perspective, I saw it with a female friend of mine who had never read the comics but she still enjoyed it quite a bit. However she also enjoyed Kill Bill so I guess that should be taken into account.

Well, but Kill Bill was practically a love song to its female heroine. Violence aside, not sure that comparison holds up.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
02:20 / 04.04.05
A love song to an entirely one-dimensional, cartoon heroine - I think that might be the point.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:34 / 04.04.05
Saw it this past friday with my Gf who was bost disturbed and impressed by it; She just finished reading Dark Knight Returns so was aware of who Frank Millar was. She was mostly ammused at the thought that every woman in Sin City had "a perfect ass." We speculated at the dire fate of any poor woman in that city who's ass would be seen as sub-par.

The Violence was another thing entirely. I noticed that "red" blood was used for "heroes;" MARV's cuts as well as Hartigan's. I think.

I was actually amazed that so many people would laugh out loud at some of the dialogue. Maybe some where jumping at the chance to laugh, as a break from the otherwise bleak story.
"Nobody escapes Sin City" was what we came away with especially after that final scene in the elevator. Came away with it impressed and kind of glad that Miller got to carry this concept out to it's fullest potental.

Clive Owen's "American" was hilarious.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:47 / 04.04.05
I was actually amazed that so many people would laugh out loud at some of the dialogue.

Well, y'know, it's laughable dialogue.

Haven't seen the picture yet, but I've always read SIN CITY (the comic) as fundamentally a comedy—a shaggy-dog story delivered with a straight face, to the point where the straightness of the face becomes part of the joke.

I think most audiences would be sophisticated enough to see the implicit humor in the very over-the top-ness of the whole enterprise, especially the ludicrous tough-guy patter.
 
 
sleazenation
21:04 / 04.04.05
Clive Owen's "American" was hilarious.

At last revenge for Dick Van Dyke...
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:52 / 05.04.05
Not only did I laugh out loud at a lot of the dialogue (and only groan occasionally -- poor Michael Madsen has taken a lot of shit on other boards for his role in Sin City, but I defy ANY actor to make "You got a bum ticker, Hartigan" sound even remotely good), but a lot of stuff that didn't seem that funny in the comics has its preposterosity underscored by happening in live action and becomes hilarious: Dwight diving four stories to land ON HIS FEET, unharmed, on the sidewalk below, for instance. Or, better yet, Lucille

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HAVING HER FUCKING HAND EATEN only to be totally emotionally okay and well-adjusted a scene later, while Marv muses in VO something like, "Dames. Sometimes they just gotta let the waterworks run and then they're fine." I certainly *hope* Miller meant for things like this to be funny. (Conversely, Hartigan's recovery from hanging didn't seem that funny in the film, but I distinctly remember reading the last issue of That Yellow Bastard for the first time and getting to that page where he opens his eyes after dangling from the neck for like five pages and me exploding into laughter.)
 
 
CameronStewart
04:50 / 05.04.05
>>>Oh! And I was crushed that we didn't get to see Marv visit his mom. Oh, well.<<<

You will - although all three stories were shortened for the film, Rodriguez has promised that the complete versions will be seen on the dvd. I read an interview with Rourke in which he discussed shooting that scene, so it does exist...
 
 
Spaniel
06:26 / 05.04.05
At last revenge for Dick Van Dyke...

And Don Cheadle. Don't forget Don Cheadle.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:20 / 05.04.05
Yeah, a lot of Miller's Sam Spade-esque hard boiled film noir dialogue reads a lot better on the page than it does when you hear it spoken, no matter how good the actor is.

>> She just finished reading Dark Knight Returns so was aware of who Frank Millar was.

Mark Millar's brother, of course.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:24 / 05.04.05
oh, and I did see a still photo of the Marv's mom scene in the beautiful coffee table hardcover Making of Sin City book that came out last week at my local comics shop.

Unfortunately, Marv's mom doesn't share his unique profile, as she does in the graphic novel.
 
 
Seth
14:22 / 05.04.05
How can she share his unique profile?

I'm so confused. It hurts.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:23 / 05.04.05
In the comics, Marv's mom has the same weird forehead-to-nose profle that Marv does. In the movie, they didn't do that for the mom. (they did it for Mickey Rourke, they could have done it for the mom)
 
 
Benny the Ball
16:09 / 05.04.05
wolfy the confusion is in sharing something unique.

When does this come out in the UK?
 
 
Jack Fear
16:53 / 05.04.05
Correct. "Unique" properly means "one of a kind," and therefore something that is unique cannot, by definition, be shared. If Marv and his Moms have the same profile, then the profile is not "Marv's unique profile," i.e. a profile unique to Marv (It may be said to be unique to Marv's family—i.e., Marv and a few close relatives are the only ones in the world with such a profile—but you'd probably be better off with the word "distinctive," instead.)

There's a terrible cartoon called DANNY PHANTOM: among its many sins is a theme song featuring the lyric "He was much more unique than the other guys." Every time I hear that, it makes me wish I owned a gun just so I could shoot out the TV set.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:24 / 05.04.05
Didn't know this was the grammar thread; I was an English major in college. I understand your point entirely but didn't think anyone would take it that literally when it's a thread about Sin City. Consider me appropriately chastised.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:53 / 05.04.05
don't worry wolfy, we all love you anyway.

but seriously, when does it come out in the uk?
 
 
Spaniel
20:00 / 05.04.05
One google search later: 25th May.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:51 / 05.04.05
Didn't know this was the grammar thread; I was an English major in college...

Then you of all people should know that every thread is a grammar thread.
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:39 / 06.04.05
I saw this the other day and really enjoyed it. Visually is was fantastic but something kept bugging me so I didn’t post until I thought it through and all I could think of was that it was too misogynistic for my taste. I’d never read the comics before so it caught me by surprise. Now, I’m not one of those sensitive people who scream and shout whenever something less than PC, but it was just too much for me.
I’m not even going to mention that most all the women were hookers or stripers cause the men were a shady bunch too, but I found it weird that all the violence was directed toward women and no matter how bad ass the girls thought they were they always needed saving. (Except for the Asian ninja girl and she didn’t have any lines at all.) Rosario Dawson, in interviews, kept saying how strong the female characters were but I didn’t see it. Her own character got taken out quite easily by one guy and needed saving buy an asshole who smacked her before he kissed her. Is it just me who was put off by this? I don't know, but I think Frank Miller hates women.
 
 
This Sunday
10:10 / 06.04.05
Repeat after me:
Nothing in Sin City is serious.
Nothing in Sin City is not simultaneously a loveletter and a critique of genre and trappings.
Nothing in Sin City is serious.
Nothing in Sin City is serious.
If this is your first night in Sin City, you have to fight.

Am I the only one who remembers Miller's actual work and the muscular, hyper-sexualized guys, many of whom cannot stop from exposing themselves in slow, multi-panel sequences of naked nakedness?
Main reason I wanted to see the, proposed, Depp sequence, would have been to have him in Sin City and that Chocolate movie roughly the same time. Nudity, Depp, chocolate, combined with blood, nice cars,and a midget on guitar... this would sell, it would.
Anyhow, when people talk about how great the dialogue is to say, I think it's on par with doing older, blunt(er) stageplay material... you just don't get opportunities to speak lines of incredible directness. Same reason Ellis cites for loving to do 'The Authority.' Sometimes, the best piece of dialogue really is: "We're here to hit you," or, well, anything Marv says, pretty much. It's great because it's absurd and surreal (in the proper sense of the term), and a testament to the actor if they can make it work for them.
 
  

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