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New X-Men #151 (Spoilers...WTF!?)

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch

03:34 / 23.10.03

Wolverine looks like Patrick fucking Swayze! Jesus.

BTW, Nightcrawler's (sort of) invovlement in this arc might be a little muddied- Austen's just retconed him as the honest to fucking god son of satan. I wish I'd just made that up.

10:22 / 23.10.03

the honest to fucking god son of satan

What?

the honest to fucking god son of satan

What did you say?

the honest to fucking god son of satan

I'm sorry, did you say a retarded child is writing Uncanny?

You must, must, must elaborate - that's the most amazing thing I've heard all day.

16:08 / 23.10.03

Ask yourself who's retarded; that fucking cover is sweetness x 1000000. Jesus, man, what the hel is wrong with u??

Matthew Fluxington

16:37 / 23.10.03

Wolverine has got a nice ass.

Haus of Mystery

17:46 / 23.10.03

Ride 'em cowboy.

17:51 / 23.10.03

The 'retarded' bit is in reference to the fact Nightcrawler has recently been revealed to be the son of a demon called Draco (anyone? I think this is it, anyway,) Mike-O.

If you don't like the cover, you're almost certainly not going to like the interior art*. I do. I think it = sexx.

Wolverine looks like Patrick fucking Swayze! A good thing, surely?

*On this note, can we please have some constructive crit from the haterz when this comes out. Please.

19:23 / 23.10.03

Nightcrawler as Son of Satan isn't as stupid as one may think. i believe Austen is playing with the notion that what early man thought were angels and devils were really just early mutants...I hope.

And the Wolverine cover above gives me a really hard-on. Seriously, I look at it and get stiff. I can't wait to have it in my hands....the comic I mean.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

19:58 / 23.10.03

I hate the cover not for style or composition- it's sweet as hell in those respects - it's Wolverine's fucking terrible dress sense! Cowboy hat + 90's era vest + way too tight fucking jeans + what seems to be a mullet = Billy Ray Cyrus for the post-apocolyptic super hero set. Don't tell my achy breaky fucking healing factor, I just don't think it'd understand!

Someone get Queer X-Ray Eye for the Metahuman Guy onto Mr Howlett, stat!

The Austen thing is true I'm afriad- the dude who knocked Mystique up was apparently old Nick himself (and Warren really is an Angel! No, really! His healing blood fucks demonspawn Kurt's hand up) and the Uncanny Team are trapped in yet another hell dimension (which seems to be hell for real this time). Claremont must be shitting bibles. As much as I'd hate to knock Chuck again (his arm's all kinds of fucked up apparently, he might never be able to make it as an artist again, poor guy), perhaps someone with a better knowlage of 'Crawler could start a thread discussing the pros/cons of this?

20:39 / 23.10.03

+ 90's era vest

I think if you look closely you'll find it's the body of his original costume, minus the selvees actually.

20:41 / 23.10.03

Why don't we do it right here?

Jim Krueger had Belasco (lord of limbo, for those of you without the Cliff Notes) as Kurt's future alter-ego in Earth X, which upset his creator, Dave Cockrum, quite a lot. The two later made up like gents.

'Crawler fact: his aforementioned creator originally created him to be a member of DC's Outsiders team.

Also: angels and demons - the kids are into all that, these days, ain't they? Angimon and Devimon and that. It's kind of stupid, though.

Matthew Fluxington

21:03 / 23.10.03

You know, everyone was freaking out that Grant Morrison was going to be the one to completely warp/change/wreck the X-Men when he came on, but almost nothing that he has done can even come close to the lasting changes/damage that Austen has gotten away with in his short stay. I sure hope they retcon the fuck out of him when he's gone. Lord knows I'd have the Nightcrawler thing back to normal asap if I had the chance.

You know, I don't think Wolverine should be the type of guy who has really good taste in clothing. That horrible out-of-a-Bon-Jovi-video outfit suits him really well, I think. But then, Silvestri's take on Wolverine was one of the first I came across, so his version will probably always make a bit more sense to me than others.

21:14 / 23.10.03

Fluxy, Silvestri definitely stands out in my mind as having a portrayal of Wolverine, if not all the X-Men, that's canon. Seems as though his choice of clothing might be better received as a thematic/symbolic statement in regards to the story overall.

03:16 / 24.10.03

that's by far the crappest picture i've ever seen. is that bad-bird man some kind of refugee from the Village Bird-People or something?

m.

10:09 / 24.10.03

Mike, read the post, mate. You know, before you start being insulting.

I have a difficult relationship with Silvestri's Image style. 5 years ago, if you'd asked me whether I liked his take on, well, just about anything, I would have told you that I'd rather eat my own puke than read a Silvestri book.
Nowadays, post Image, I've grown like his work. It has an absurd, humorous, romantic quality. It makes me want to scream "RRRRAWWWWK" and play air guitar, and make, er, guitar noises, and suchlike.

Oh, and isn't it so gay? I mean all those muscles - even the women look like men. And don't the kids love it? Nicely subversive.

10:31 / 24.10.03

On the Nighcrawler thing. Honestly, I haven't read the book, but I seriously doubt that Austin is playing with demonification of mutants. And who gives a fuck if he is? It's neither big nor clever.

The Angel as an angel. Wow, that throws up some intersting possibilities. How will he and Nightcrawler ever find common ground?

And who cares?

Austin=Berk

10:37 / 24.10.03

to my mind's eye the xmen always look like silvestri's drawn them anyway. wolverine crucified, reavers vs. muir islanders vs. freedom force, rogue turning herself into a metal meteor to take out master mold. good days

Matthew Fluxington

11:20 / 24.10.03

I don't get the thing about Silvestri's women looking like men - that seems bizarre to me, since his women (at least on his X-Men run) were really super thin, hyper-feminine, and impossibly beautiful. Especially his renditions of Dazzler and Psylocke in particular.

Silvestri really captures a late 80s vibe more than any other comics artist I can think of - the melodrama and air guitar stuff is right on.

I do agree that his images of men tend to be really homoerotic, though. It's weird how on New X-Men, you have some seriously homoerotic images of Wolverine from straight artists like Frank Quitely and Marc Silvestri, and the one out gay guy drawing the comic (Phil Jiminez) tones down the male sexuality and amps up the female sexuality.

12:04 / 24.10.03

Jiminez has always drawn sexy women. I just think he enjoys sexy-world.

As do I.

Yeah, you're right, Flux, Silvestri doesn't draw man-women. I was running on memory and the urge to try it on.

To amend my second to last post, I loved Silvestri on 80s X-Men. He defined the book's style for me.

13:09 / 24.10.03

Didn't mean to insult u, Bobossboy. No worries. Yeah, I get that his ladies are a little more defined, but that never really took away from the beauty he gives them, for me.

And that's actually kind of ironic Flux, but maybe Jiminez pays more attention to his renditions b/c of that, you know? Prolly not, but it's possible.

Haus of Mystery

14:13 / 24.10.03

Gimme Darwin Cooke's Wolvie in a suit any day.

14:56 / 24.10.03

'Salright Mike.

As for Celebrity, he has no RAWWWWK in his soul. Darwin Cook, indeed. Where's your balls man?

15:01 / 24.10.03

I'd agree with Mike-O about Silvestri and the "definitive wolverine"... back in tha' day. That latest picture (earlier in the thread) is the gay-cowboy-eating-pudding version of wolvie. But wayyy back, no-one nailed it like Silvestri. It wasn't so much the splash-style images as his motion-captured Wolverine. To my teenage brain, he was going to leap off the page and punch my face in. And his women... yowza. From what I've seen of his stuff since, well, Image, it looks more like a big Jim Lee knockoff. Like he had it in spades and sold it for chump change.

With Jimenez, it's less about a stylistic choice (like Silvestri, or Quitely if you need a massive difference in example), and more of being a damn versatile comic artist(or maybe just having chosen a versatile style). Picture an Archie comic, done by Jimenez. Now by Silvestri. Laughing ensues. (Don't even think about visualizing Archie by Quitely, for your own sanity.)

Haus of Mystery

15:19 / 24.10.03

Hell with you Boboss!

The final X-arc shoulda been drawn by the guy who did the Iron Maiden album covers.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

18:43 / 24.10.03

To settle all this sentinel bullshit, LTG:

"I understand that the prime book in Jemas' promoted Tsunami line, "Sentinel," has been cancelled. And it's also possible that "Inhumans" and Jemas-penned "Namor" will follow right behind. If you want to do something about that (especially considering "Sentinel's" tie-into the new "New X-Men" story) do something about it now."

18:55 / 24.10.03

Radiator: Rich might just be assuming, given all the speculation. But who knows... it is a rumour column, tho, so I wouldn't take anything as proof positive.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

19:05 / 24.10.03

It seems likely to me. But who knows? Speculation is fun!

I remember when Rich posted that UXM was bringing back Magneto...

19:47 / 24.10.03

I think Rich is just picking up on the rumor & speculation about the Sentinel kid. As for myself, I believe that it's a sheer coincidence and not in any way, retroactive or otherwise, intended the be the grown-up Sentinel kid. 180 years in the future he'll be rotting in the ground, God love him. And I don't think he'll be time travelling with the rest of the X-folk to get around the 180 years thing. But I could be wrong!

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

20:05 / 24.10.03

there was an X-future during the 12 storyline where everyone was 150 and the dream had been fulfilled or something. I don't really see age as a issue here.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

20:07 / 24.10.03

Maybe it's his successor?

22:40 / 24.10.03

C'mon celeb, you know you're gay.

Iron Maiden, Iron Shmaiden - all weak, all compromised by geek sexuality.

You really need to grow up and get down with some ADULT comics.

08:56 / 25.10.03

180 years in the future he'll be rotting in the ground

Blimey, haven't we been over this? It so doesn't have to be the original kid, just a kid, a kid a bit like the original kid. An analogue. A future equivalent.

Will it turn out that the Boboss was right?

A

05:55 / 26.10.03

The final X-arc shoulda been drawn by the guy who did the Iron Maiden album covers.

Dude, have you seen the cover of the new Iron Maiden album. It's all computer-generated and totally sucks arse. A malfunctioning Igor Kordey robot could have done better.

09:44 / 27.10.03

At some point Wolverine has grown a new body back from just a leg.

This so has to be true. In fact, it must take an entire issue. A whole issue of Wolverine growing a body back from just a leg. On Mars. That would rock.

A

05:52 / 28.10.03

So is Wolverine like a worm, whereby if you cut him half, both halves will regenerate into separate Wolvies? If this is the case, he could create an army of himself just be continually cleaving himself in twain. This would also give him an opportunity to quote Bjork lyrics before cutting loose on the bad dudes ("If you compain once more, you'll meet an army of me, bub.")

06:57 / 28.10.03

I can't picture Wolverine listening to Bjork. Journey, maybe. I think Wolverine would have the same musical tastes as John Redcorn from King of the Hill - just really guilty 80's and 70's crotch-rock.

And some Danzig. Certainly no post-modernist synth-princesses like Bjork for the gluteal-walnut-crushing Wolverine of the Silvestrian future.

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