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New X-Men #151 (Spoilers...WTF!?)

 
  

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Mr Tricks
16:22 / 08.01.04
am I the only one who believes that This story line is Grant's Version of Age of Apocolypse?

BEAST was cast as evil in that one as well.

ANNNNND that whole storyline was based on a sort of "broken Universe" where things didn't go as they should've.

I'm thinking the 150 years in the future is as much a red herring as it was in the Alan Davis run.

Someone has time altering technology ala "the World" if that interescted with let's say the cosmic "death rattle" of Jean/Phoenix/Grey then this whole storyline could be a hallucination experienced by any one or more of the X-charactors.

Or this may well be a retred of his ROCK of AGES JLA storyline. With the untimely death of Jean Grey functioning in the same way as the distruction of the Philosopher's stone. Thought to run closer to that story it would be Esme who was being used as a tool of the bad guy, but I just don't see Esme as so significant that her death would impact Reality.
What if this whole thing was the result of a toxic combination of Magneto's power and Phoenix's. There you have Gravity, Consciousness and it's interaction with Matter. Time in this case would be an illusion; very Invisible no?

Jean Grey was "killed" by Wolverine on astroid M, the Phoenix (John a Dreams?) inserted itself into the reality (context) waring Jean as a fiction suit in hopes of stoping Magneto (sir Miles) but the universe (game) crashed and it's now a rescue mission.

Cassie says to call him Boodie

 
 
Aertho
16:52 / 08.01.04
I'm passing the Big Bad En Sabah Nur bill, but with a no-direct-possession rider. I hate the Phoenix duality idea, making moon-dead Phoenix "Evil". Hate it Hate it Hate it. Sure she was Evil, but it implies duality, and that's anathemic to where we've all been following Morrison. Jean grew up, and The Phoeni isn't a separate part of her or the world anymore, or at least it shouldn't be...

I'm voting yes on convoluted, and yes on grow up. It's a super-hero soap opera. I'd expect something like a master manipulator behiind it all, and if En Sabah's in the aether, schweeeet.

I know I championed the idea that Murder in the Mansion was an inverted dream sequence, but I really think that Tomorrow is REALLY in the future. I could be wrong. I think Cassie's Weapon 11 and Five-In-One is Weapon 14. N is a commonly used variable, I don't think it denotes a Weapon number until Wolverine says he's Weapon J.

I think Beast is megalomaniacal, but not-necessarily-"Evil". I think he's just John A Dreams-ing his way through this story. Shit, I don't have to be 5-D just to get the fact that sometimes in order for great things to happen, someone's got to drop a bomb. Tragic, but Beast is on an intellectual-dramatic-financial scale that we'll never experience.
 
 
Simplist
21:50 / 08.01.04
One thing to remember re: Beast--150 years is a long time, more than five times the present-day age of most of the involved characters. I don't find it at all implausible that one of the main players has gone through major personality changes in that time frame (what I will find implausible is if all the others still act exactly like their twenty-something selves, but that's another discussion). So I don't really see much of a problem with Grant establishing that the Beast has seriously changed, so long as he fleshes out the whys and wherefores as the storyline continues.

That said, this issue was quite enjoyable in general, and I'm much more excited to see where the story goes than I was with Planet X (which was kind of predictable, IMO), and also feeling a bit wistful about the impending end of Grant's run. I'd just gotten to like the X-Men again, and now there'll be no X-books worth buying...

Ok, one brief gripe: the art was great all the way through, right up until the appearance of Emma Frost, with her soft-focus porn star face and anatomically incorrect breasts (is she nippleless like a barbie doll, or what?). Really didn't work for me. Hopefully (though I doubt it) her depiction will be just a tad more restrained in upcoming issues.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
00:54 / 09.01.04
Actually, I really loved Emma's appearance in 151 -- it was so beautifully tacky and Paris Hilton-riffic.
 
 
perceval
05:35 / 09.01.04

Well, judging from this future world, leaving Emma and Scott in charge of things isn't a good idea. Looks like their Administration made a mess of things. If Jean does make it back, she can say "Honey, I've SEEN the future you're building..."

Anyway, the world's broken, Jean has to fix it. Grant said it was about what her responsibilities are, after all. As for Dark Phoenix, #148 suggested that taking out the occasional species that "didn't work" was part of her function, making her sort of a walking, talking, thinking, manifestation of the evolutionary process. The evolutionary process isn't always nice. Just ask the dinosaurs. So, Cassandra had a point back in #114.

E
 
 
Elegant Mess
05:40 / 09.01.04
I wonder if it's significant that, after thirtysomething issues with the NXM logo in its neat little rotatable "sigil" form, this issue has the title stretched across Wolverine's head instead?

Probably not.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:50 / 09.01.04
Ahhh yes – good comic, gooood comic.

Colour of art is gorgeously tacky, sickly, limey purple and silver – more please. And yes, Emma in her white wank suit was juss the right side of witchblade. Silvestri’s not got too much sense of space tho, eh? – great 2D shock-illustrations but not too hot on 3 dimensions.

I love future-soaps: the opening sequence is rather bloody good: "Destroy!" – Grant’s comic excellence returns. Pacing, naff n grand expositions, mega-locations and pomp n grind together in 22 pages - I nearly fainted. Read this with purple sensi smoke: seemed appropriate.

Preserving the achievements of the past? – Big fuckin Ben? Cumon: but I liked the idea. I also like how Grant has just completely fucked New York over, turned it into a crater. Sure, New York is always used as a futuristic apocalyptic nightmare, (AI, Escape from etc…) but somehow, I sense a degree of gleeful maliciousness in GM’s trashing of the place – he revelled in destroying its monuments a few issues back and now this. Nice.

After reading the rag, I slid Aphex Twin ambient collections 85-91 into the CD player and had a superhot bath: and found myself back in the comic – the music brought the pop-zine springing to life and I thought about how much fun has been had on this comic. I considered how GM might have projected the x-characters 150 years into the future and I thought – what a great job you’ve got you cunt! (I loved Beak’s weapon: iconic, symbolic, brutal, charming (his experience with Magneto last issue was obviously when he was ‘made’))

Recently, in a pub in Brighton, I said to Runce and K23ris and Fraely Boyce, ‘Let’s all agree that grant has lost the plot on the xmen’ and now I realise I was talking crap. This has been a fuckin crazy romp and read as a consistent whole, it really is exactly what I wanted from GM on X-Men:

Pure pop, bio-obsessive, tech-lovin, sex-n-drugs space operatics.

Re: emma’s comments to scott regarding burying jean for a third time

It encapsulates GM’s approach to his entire run:

Total irreverence
Total respect

If I were Dutch, I would say New X-Men is a fine example of TOTAL COMICS.

Ja.
 
 
neuepunk
01:17 / 10.01.04
I didn't actually pick up 151 until today, having avoided the Wizard preview. The entire "Apocalypse as Beast" thing seemed very unlikely until I read the issue. At this point, it's completely fucking obvious. Either that's Apocalypse or someone who thinks he's Apocalypse. That and some other random thoughts below.

Dead giveaways: "And receive their maker's mark.." From what I remember, this is pretty much a direct quote from Apocalypse's creation of Sinister (was it the Milligan-scribed issues? I've forgotten). Not to mention the dead-obvious use of the word Apocalypse (cheesiest line in the issue), and the obvious armor, which seems to merge the waist/lower body of Apocalypse with the cape of Magneto. I guess if there was a red diamond on the heads of the nightclopses it'd be even more obvious, but that might be overkill.

E.V.A. was created from the nervous system of Fantomex. Fantomex is the first real creation we see from Weapon Plus. The first man. Nice reference, that. There might be more here underneath the surface, since the brain is part of the nervous system, so is Fantomex a zombie?

Apocalypse created Sinister. Did Apocalypse give Sublime the technology to make U-Men? I'm not sure who the "Beast" of Here Comes Tomorrow was linked with. Sublime, the Weapon Plus program -- maybe both. Weapon Plus sounds like an Apocalypse scheme. They dealt with accelerated time, which is appropriate as Apocalypse went into a centuries-long hibernation, set to be awoken when mutants were widespread. The World seems like his dream, as it would provide the ability to artificially push the evolution of the mutant race forward, all while working on another scheme concurrently. Creating The World and U-Men in parallel sounds like a great scheme for constructing a struggle for survival of the fittest.

The flashback to 150 years earlier (note that the story takes place in the "present," and Planet X was 150 years ago. This is important in tone, as most other time-hopping emphasizes the present while making the future more alien) is telling. I keep thinking that there's something we were missing in the past few arcs. Notice that it's Beast who's trying to reassemble Emma after finding her. Is there a Beast-Emma-Scott love triangle that only Beast sees? We've seen relationships break down and built up constantly throughout this arc, with drastically different pacing. We go from initial relationship to children with Angel and Beak, Scott and Jean drift apart, Emma decides she's in love... I have no clue if this is relevant.

I feel thoroughly geeked-out now.
 
 
makeitbleed
14:36 / 10.01.04
I know this idea is crap, but if it triggers another thought by someone, I figure worth posting.

Esme's death, Jean's death ... something "broke" the universe.

Hmm. The universe is broken, time is broken, this is broken, that's broken ...

Emma was broken ...

Come to think of it, why was Emma broken? Just to get her away from Xorneto? Well it didn't work and no one else got that much special attention while he was hiding out in the school.

Now I know the breaking of Emma couldn't have had anything to do with time or gravity or insect patterns, but it is odd that she was such a literal metaphor for the universe. I mean Beast tried to fix her, but it was Jean who ultimately put her back together ...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:18 / 10.01.04
Does anyone else think that E.V.A. might end up "bonding" with Tom "I'm good with machines, hint hint" Skylark, especially if Rover gets permanently scrapped?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:08 / 10.01.04
many thousands of people think that Flyboy. many, many thousands.

tom skylark - yes, v.jack frost but also v.zenith - he almost seems like an xmen riff on the dc thompson-verse.

wonder if there's significance in the name.
 
 
penitentvandal
20:26 / 10.01.04
It's a bird name of course - Skylark, Phoenix (in egg form), Beak - lots of avian symbolism in this story arc. Also, Phoenix egg reminds me of Queen Genevieve Stargrave's evil reptile egg in 'We're All Policemen Now', the KM/Gideon Stargrave solo story in that Vertigo winter-spesh thingio.

Does Skylark mean we have to put 'The Lark Ascending' on the NXM soundtrack as well as 'The Firebird', then? Hmmm.

I like the idea that these four issues will be like a condensed version of the Invisibles run; that would be a total headfuck. And it's interesting that the Institute seems somewhat like Zion in the Matrix films - only appropriate that GM should riff off one of their ideas, since the Wachowskis used so much Invisibles stuff. And the Crawlers seem very much like the Agent Smiths of this storyline, come to that...

That the World's compressed time stuff has something to do with it seems to make sense, too.

All the silver colouring was very, very nineties Image comics, wasn't it? Lovely. Maybe this storyline will also be a romp through all the major comic-styles of the nineties/noughties, culminating in a final issue which will be the blueprint for the 'kosmiche komics' idea Grant keeps going on about in interviews? In that case, what would the next two issues be? Vertigo-ish darkness? ABC nostalgia? Hmmm.

Crazy thought which probably has nothing at all to do with this: odd that this story with the Marvel Universe being in a very fucked way in the future is coming out at the same time as 1602, which is about the Marvel Universe being in a very fucked way in the past. What's all that about? Marvel goes hypertime?

Hmmm.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:00 / 10.01.04
I think there will be quite a few "why's" left over after the final issue.

Why did emma feel she was heading towards some sort of dramatic conclusion when she hopped on the plane with Beast?
being just one.

Still.. it'l be fun to see how the "past" and the "present" converge over the course of the story.
 
 
Captain Zoom
21:18 / 10.01.04
Does anyone else think it's ironic that Grant now has a serious story being illustrated by one of the founders of the style he mocked so mercilessly in Doom Force?

I do. It's funny.

Zoom.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:59 / 11.01.04
It encapsulates GM’s approach to his entire run:

Total irreverence
Total respect

If I were Dutch, I would say New X-Men is a fine example of TOTAL COMICS.


That's totally why Jean's "All I ever did was die on you" simultanously broke my heart and head at the same time.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:42 / 11.01.04
And it's interesting that the Institute seems somewhat like Zion in the Matrix films - only appropriate that GM should riff off one of their ideas, since the Wachowskis used so much Invisibles stuff.

Get a grip. "In a dystopian future, the goodies have a base" is not an idea invented by the Wachowski brothers.
 
 
penitentvandal
18:03 / 11.01.04
Yes, but it's not just it being a base, it's the whole underground-base-acting-as-preserver-of-humanity's-legacy thing which, to me, looks like a neat riff on the idea of Sigh-on in the Matrix films. Hopefully, this being Grant, the story will not end with the heroes deciding to live in their grotty underground base listening to Paul Oakenfold for ever and ever, though.

You are right that it's not a new theme, though. Both Grant and the Wachowskis ripped off the idea from the same source - the Church of the Bomb in Battle for the Planet of the Apes...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:27 / 11.01.04
Back to Flyboy’s tom skylark/eva merger proposition and the etymological texture of the lad’s name:

Skylark

Sky was the invisibles drug that simulated alien abduction which to many people, resembled material communion with silver blobs.

Lark means to have fun with.

Tom Skylark > Tom has fun with transcendental experience involving communion with silver blob!
 
 
Aertho
22:16 / 11.01.04
Percy Bysshe Shelley wrote the poem "To A Skylark"

Here's an analysis of the poem:
 
But Shelley is using the skylark both rhetorically and metaphorically. The Skylark transcends the ordinary; it is a nexus of idealism and Shelley's own radical thought. Its message has the power to raise the political consciousness and promote the change that the poet desires. The 'unbodied joy' of 'that silver sphere' contains centuries of philosophical thought. The influence of Plato et al (see 'The Greeks' above) had a large impact on Shelley and he believes 'the world should listen' with the intensity of the poet himself. The poet knows that freedom is not only physical and asks the skylark to tell him its "sweet thoughts," for never has he heard anything with "a flood of rapture so divine." The poet's dilemma is how to transpose the idyllic tones of the skylark's theory into a plethora of practice.

Whether Shelley looked into the sky and witnessed a form of UFO (see 'the silver sphere') or whether he constructed his vehicle of visionary thought is irrelevant to the nature of its contents. This ghostly object obscured from the eye "thou art unseen", also hides like "a rose embowered" or a "high-born maiden in a palace tower" its beauty and therefore its significance from the physical world below. The essence lies in the ability to rescue the meaning 'from one lonely cloud' and not 'look before and after and pine for what is not' but to encompass the skylark as it is 'scattering unbeholden its aerial hue", only then will the human spirit be free from the oppression it endures. Shelley knows 'teach us, sprite or bird' that the apparatus for this propulsion is somewhere between Plato's idealistic 'sprite' and Aristotle's material 'bird'. He also knows that with only 'half the gladness that thy brain must know' the seed of life itself could awake from its dormant state of inactivity; rejecting human suffering and promoting the outer beauty of collective harmony.

Still, the skylark flies "higher and higher" its song surpasses "all that ever was". What ? The poet asks, are "the fountains of thy happy strain?" Is it, as was the esoteric world of the Greek nobility, "love of thine own kind" or "ignorance or pain" or never knowing "love's sad satiety" ? The skylark must know "things more true and deep" than mortals could dream" or "how could thy notes flow in such a crystal stream ?" Here we contrast Plato's 'picture of joy' (6). This spiritual 'joy' is not contaminated by 'pain' and "langour" it is vibrant like "a star of heaven" not corrupted by guilt "pine for what is not" but runs pure like a "crystal stream". Shelley's skylark is a 'sphere' of joy, undulating hope and an overflowing propensity to instill belief. The skylark touches the essence of existence, it knows that "life" and all its "pleasure" and "beauty" is achievable. The poet also emphatically reminds us, however, that "The world should listen then, as I am listening now".......................

Whatever emotions "To A Skylark' invokes, Shelley was , as he himself believed , a philosopher first and a poet second. As we find in the words of Leonard Cohen "Like a bird on a wire like a drunk in a midnight choir, I have tried in my way to free". Shelley, tried in his way to be free. Free from the complacency of his contemporaries and free to express his observations through his poetical message. The bellowing tones of the 'skylark' echo this message resonantly almost two hundred years from the date it was written. It is a testimony to those of us who, through creative expression, try to carve our own niche of freedom. It is ironic then that in a world with a more open forum for political expression the 'dead poets society' of past generations is fast becoming one of the last vestiges of radical thought. Or maybe Shelley was just a 'happy genius who tried to live a sad life' and consoled himself in the beauty of nature as an end itself. The babbling brooks , the rustling trees, the smiling flowers thus devoid of radical significance. Innate objects flourishing in their natural habitat and fueling his poetic expression. A 'romantic' poet foremost , a dreamer , his head lost in a cloud of aesthetic surrealism.....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:35 / 11.01.04
I wonder if it's significant that, after thirtysomething issues with the NXM logo in its neat little rotatable "sigil" form, this issue has the title stretched across Wolverine's head instead?

I think that it was simply a decision that after 30something all of those issues, it was time for the title graphic to be legible on an immediate intuitive level. It can still be read upside down, it just scans better this way.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:19 / 12.01.04
it's the whole underground-base-acting-as-preserver-of-humanity's-legacy thing

Except the Xavier Institute is not underground.

Moving swiftly on, I'm totally convinced by both yawn and Chesed's thoughts on Skylark. Silver sphere, ey? Unbodied joy, ey? What larks, Pip!
 
 
GreenMonk
03:36 / 12.01.04
OMG. Silvestri X-men. I just totally flashbacked to junior high quite vividly. Skylark looked like Cole/Reece/Macon and it set my brain off... I too was a total x-fanboy of old who is only reading again because of GM, so the Silvestri art, Days of Future Past vibe, and Nightclops coolness totally hooked me up. wow.

I have a sketch of Colossus that Silvestri drew for me at my first comic convention ever in 1987 right as the whole Fall of the Mutants stuff was going down. I think I was in 7th grade. Uncanny was the series that hooked me on comics. So Grant's run on Xmen has been the most surreal combo of my fanboy comics of youth/smart comics of adulthood I could possibly have hoped for. I didn't appreciate the idea until reading this book, but finishing the run with Silvestri art and a Barbelith/Phoenix allegory totally completes the combo of old and new comic tastes of mine in such a perfect way. and yet again, i feel as if Grant Morrison is writing a comic that feels tailor written to appeal to me and my experiences...
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:46 / 12.01.04
It seems you all enjoyed this issue more than I did. How I envy you.

I wasn’t too impressed – and have been decreasingly so in recent issues – with this, I have to say. Dunno about the Beast as Apocalypse thing, I’ve never been too keen on this idea, but it’s painfully obvious that the Beast has the same ‘talking out loud’ disease that afflicted Manga Khan way back in the mid-80s JLA. All that clenched-fist ‘arise, my minions, whoo-ha-haaaa’ stuff is a bit laughable. And also, after a couple of pages pointing out that Jean’s died so often before that it’s almost a cliché, how original, startling and shocking an ending is it to have Cyclops quit ? You and I both know the answer : not very.

Bizarre paradox, too, for a story which looks to be set predominantly in the future to look so old-school. Perhaps deliberate, but I would have thought Jiminez’s clean lines would have been a more fitting style.

The absence of the ‘story so far’ page was interesting, especially coupled with the apparent return of the letters page. Made the story pretty un-new-reader friendly, especially as it kind of relied on you knowing who the various characters were to enjoy their future variants.

And whilst I like a bit of ‘oooh, wonder what’s coming next’ speculation as much as the next fanboy, there’s so much of it still going on in order to plug the gaps in Grant’s prior narrative that it’s as if some folks are complicit in being sold an incomplete comic. It’s not really very satisfying to have to conclude that there will be a lot of ‘why’s still knocking round after the end of Grant’s run (especially spinning out of the whole Planet X tale, which I think we have to admit was pretty shoddy on the whole). Is this the first time he'’ taken on an existing series and left it with stuff still hanging and unexplained and unresolved ? I fear so.
And I fear it may or may not be connected to the well-repeated quote about him writing the last few issues of the run in a burst of creativity. Because they look a bit rushed.
And as I’ve said before, don’t give me that ‘wait for the trade thing’, these are being sold as monthly comics. No matter how thin you slice it…
 
 
Krug
18:21 / 13.01.04
With every passing issue the voice in my head gets louder.

"When will the disappointment end?"

A part of me wishes that Grant will write the best last issue he's written since Animal Man (haven't read Doom Patrol). Part of me knows this is one of his poorer efforts.

Any single issue of FF1234 is better written than his entire run of NXM combined. I wish he'd only spent a year on the book and told a more solid story. Somebody said that they prefered the Barbelith version of NXM to Grant's actual x-men and I couldn't agree more.

I have to ask, who actually called 'em "interactive comics" first when describing his X-Men where Grant doesn't bother explaining what happens between issues and panels?

152 comes out in Feb doesn't it?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:40 / 13.01.04
Ah, haterz hate.

All of the great bits about New X-Men (up through Planet X and Here Comes Tomorrow) are worth the flaws. Way more good than bad in this run, for sure. And it's blows everything Grant's done aside from Kill Your Boyfriend and Doom Patrol out of the water. Sorry, Invisibles fans!
 
 
FinderWolf
15:34 / 14.01.04
just reread this - What do you make of Beak II's "Charm on, monsters!" yell? I guess it's Morrison showing us the insults/goading catchphrases the future? Sort of sounds like a David Bowie album title.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:54 / 14.01.04
I thought Beak was refering to the Crawler's optic blasts.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:03 / 14.01.04
OK, but how are optic blasts charming or like unto charms? I guess from a certain erudiate scholarly middle ages sense they could seem like magic spells or 'charms'...?
 
 
Aertho
17:08 / 14.01.04
Uh, I think your instincts had it right. Remember 95 years in the future that Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man, will be telling his friends and enemies to go shock themselves.

Maybe Charm will be in use fifty years after that.
 
 
delta venus
18:03 / 14.01.04
Or maybe it's a very specific dismissal, a "Charm away, monsters!" or "Keep up the charming behavior!" Seems very GM as a blowoff (the worst you can do is be cute/charming with this crap).

Alternately, there's reference to the Johnny Storm "flame on."
 
 
houdini
18:11 / 14.01.04

On one page of the issue the Beast is in full supervillain rant-delivering pose and actually uses the word "Apocalypse". It's Marvel's new small-letter typeface and you can see that the word is actually capitalized. As in, proper noun.

Methinks Ye Fluxxe is on the money.
 
 
The Falcon
18:23 / 14.01.04
I prefer using Barbelith to improve my enjoyment of this series, cos there's clever people what can tell me how some of it am significant.

And I like speaking to people about comics I like. And music. And books.

But really, how hard has it been for the thousands of readers that don't use this place as an annotations/arguments resource? I managed the first year and a half quite well, just chatting with a couple of pals. It's, emphatically, not difficult. Really.

Why must so many young men use the internet for evil?

Major (provisional) disappointments with NXM: 1) What was the point of Muzzie Mutant Dust?! I liked the idea, hope she's on the go in this last arc.

2) Uhuurmm... It felt a slight bitty after the Fantomex intro arc. For three issues.

Onto nicer things: has anyone seen the Silvestri spread with Cassie and the Cuckoos hanging around outside Cerebra, Logan busting kata moves before opening out into sexy, classic Wolverine pose? It's great. I've got as my wallpaper.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:27 / 14.01.04
I share your disappointment and surprise, Falcon, in seeing that Grant introduced a Muslim mutant to the X-Men only have to her immediately disappear into 'background character' status and do nothing.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:29 / 14.01.04
Oh, and as for "Charm on", Sprock You, Chesed!! (just kidding - and I loved the Spidey 2099 reference)
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
21:13 / 14.01.04
A quick spoiler speculation... some space

























The Beast could in fact be Sublime.
This may or may not be true but I LOVE it if it is. Makes perfect sense in the scheme of the whole run.
Theorise away kiddies, you're so much better at this than me!
 
  

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