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New X-Men #151 (Spoilers...WTF!?)

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10:44 / 28.10.03

Or mebbe some reaaaaaaaaally sentimental country + western. I can picture Logan perched astride his Harley, shedding a tear for all the pointless violence he's seen in his life.......*sniff*

12:13 / 28.10.03

Wolverine IS Danzig, man.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

13:42 / 28.10.03

If you stare at Fraelys messages for long enough, you get a magic-eye effect.

Re Logan's musical taste, does Canada have a traditional music style, like the USA has Country&Western? Otherwise, perhaps he likes Adam & the Ants.

A

09:19 / 29.10.03

Helmet did a cover of Army Of Me. I reckon that would be tough enough for Wolvie.

And he may be very short and very mean, but he's not Danzig. Wolverine is Andrew W.K., honest.

A beautiful tunnel of ghosts

11:33 / 29.10.03

Wolverine is Johnny Cash reimagined by Glenn Danzig.

I remember reading a few years ago that Danzig was approached to play Wolverine in the movie, but refused due to "prior musical commitments".

14:52 / 29.10.03

The Canadian sounds of The Tragically Hip, Rush, and (unfortunately, if only to cover the Lobdell/Nicieza years) Shania Twain are what Logan tunes into in my mind, especially The Hip. Also, throw in some Neil Young and Bruce Cockburn, early Johnny Cash (Cocain Blues era), and the White Stripes (7 Nation Army is a total Wolverine tune!). Round it all off with some Yo Yo Ma, Elvis Crespo, and Edith Piaf and there you go.

But enough threadrot.

That cover looks like something Andy Kubert threw away. Personally, I don't much like it.

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

17:04 / 03.11.03

Well, the problems I have with Silvestri's art have shown up in the "preview art" we got in Marvel Previews. His drawing of Wolverine from the back shows that:

Wolverine's thigh is bigger around than his waist

He has no elbow

His forearm muscle starts on his tricep

He has one shoulder that goes halfway down his arm and one this is almost properly proportioned

The birdman has no feet even though he can leap

His "female" robats have hips and asses that are as long as their torsos

It's the kind of art that looks good until you actually look at it, so it is for people who want to read the comic in 5 minutes or less and don't much care that everyone has the same face. Piffle.

19:58 / 04.11.03

Yeah, but woof!

A beautiful tunnel of ghosts

14:39 / 06.11.03

I agree with Tom. Only dogs or wolves would find Wolverine attractive.

15:07 / 06.11.03

Then call me Winston Wolf! Homina. Homina. Homina.

A beautiful tunnel of ghosts

18:44 / 06.11.03

Bears! Bears everywhere! Run Goldilocks, run!

Magneto is the only cast member that I find attractive and only when Jim Lee draws him.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

15:50 / 26.11.03

WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh man was that ever sweet.

And, I'll just tell you, we do see the present day. Go. Go get it now!

E.V.A. 4EVA!

18:32 / 26.11.03

Uh, how can we "get it now," BB? It doesn't come out for months. Did you just read an advance advance copy of the script or something like that? Or are you just funning with us?

19:05 / 26.11.03

Scratch that, I forgot the new issue of WIZARD, which prints the entirety of #151 as a free preview, is out today. I'm off to buy it! Happy Turkeys/whatever you do for Thanksgiving, all!

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

23:35 / 26.11.03

Hmmm, so what do people think?

Everyone seems burnt down to Archtypes... Wanderer, the Beast, the Three-in-One...

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

13:47 / 28.11.03

Apocolypse has jumped from scott to beast! or something.

14:26 / 28.11.03

It's all very Book of Revelations. He's the Beast of the Apocalypse.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

18:15 / 28.11.03

SPOILERS

I love how this issue seems almost like it fits before #150. (And I can't deny a pure joy in reading a book from further up the run right after a book that ends with "are these words from the future?")

There are no details on Jean's death, no details on what exatly happens to Fantomex, just little hints and revalations that somehow don't spoil Planet X at all. (Notice how Cyclops refers to both Magneto and Xorn?)

We see how the integrationist stance that ended #149 blossoms into overdrive with the New C-Men of the future. Mutants, Humans and Sentinels all on the roster.

Hawk-headed Hardass Beak gets the same "oh, it's all taken care of" entrance that Wolverine gets.

Lots of stuff going on in this issue. Can't believe there's not more discussion.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

19:22 / 28.11.03

1)"The Beast" is Apocolypse, I am very sure of this, esp. given he says "prepare to die in this apocolypse!" in a classic Eh Sab Nur pose while hatching his uber-elite uruk'ai Nightcrawler hybrids (all of whom are customised with the stolen mutant genebase!) to do his evil bidding. Further clues to this would seem to be Grant talking about the run's hidden uber-villan as a big reveal still to come in the interview, and his statement this arc brings out and ties up hidden plot strands from early NXM. This is the war for the domination of the biosphere Henry talked about, and a clear sequel to E is for Extinction, which for my money was the best X-arc ever, and I'll fight it out with any claremont fans who disagree after school! This could be even better. The artwork is brilliant. More in a mo.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

20:05 / 28.11.03

The egg is a fucking brilliant idea too. can't wait to see where this goes.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

20:48 / 28.11.03

While the Beast may be a bit of misdirection... (but I'm not sure), I'm positive the real En-Sabah-Nur Apocalypse has nothing to do with this arc. I'd stake money on it.

The Egg is fucking brill... and Cassandra's speach at the end fucking quotes a conversation I had with someone recently for that personal bit of creepyness.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

21:13 / 28.11.03

Holy fuck this issue is great. I like the Rover and I/Eva and Famtomex parallel, that was very nice. I get the feeling he isn't dead, just seperate... I also reckon she's always had this ability... could she be the missing Weapon XI or XIV? I think she is!

The misdirection regarding apocolypse's host is done with, I reackon... he's in Henry. Has been for a while, I think... could he have been hopping hosts (Scott to Cassie to Magneto to Henry) to cause shit to start the ultimate darwinian nightmare? I doubt it, but it's worth throwing out anyway.

LOVE the Crawlers! "Aus!" "Mach Schnell!" "Are Clever, ja?"

Lots of hints thrown out about this strange new world- the Proud People, Apollyn the Destroyer- Tom Skylark (NOT the Sentinel kid) is a decent character too. We'd better see some of these strange new rivals to mutants.

Wonder when Jean will hatch? The earth hasn't been judged by the looks of things- maybe she turned into the egg to stop the Phoenix and this world is the result... maybe the egg is barbelith and will hatch into the supercontext!

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

22:21 / 28.11.03

I still think you're off your rocker about that bastion of 90's sucking Apocalypse being involved, but hey.

On another note:

Rev: 9.11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

22:33 / 28.11.03

Bear in mind Grant's used X-Force a lot, and by that I mean the bad old x-force.

Apocolypse is a great but abused concept/character in the X-Cannon. And he's been hinted at through the whole run/

05:03 / 29.11.03

The Phoenix egg is so brilliant, that I will go so far to say that it is Morrison's most significant brushstroke to his spin on the X-Mythos. He just simplified the most convulted and beautiful story in Marvel comics. He tied it all together. Jean IS Phoenix. She was then. She is now. I sincerely hope I see where Morrison is going with this...to be the Phoenix is to sacrifice when all is lost and come back, always returning. That wasn't a cocoon she was in at the bottom of the ocean...it was an egg.

Jezzus. The man just solved the Jean/Phoenix puzzle by injecting the literal myth of the Phoenix. Duh and Wow.

10:04 / 29.11.03

That's just what I thought - the cocoon was an egg, only it hatched prematurely last time. I was relieved that it didn't give away how Jean 'dies'. I loved Emma's comment to Scott about this must be the third or so time he's burried her. Surely the egg hatches in NXM154?

As the egg is found on the moon, I wonder if the climax of Planet X is on the Blue Area of the moon where the X-men battled the Shi'ar at the end of the Dark Phoenix saga. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Apocalypse said he set up the destruction of the Phoenix (was this mentioned in the orginal X-Force?) - and didn't he also see her as his queen? Which ties in with the comments of the Beast in NXM151.

Either the Beast is Apocalypse, or for some reason Hank's taken up his mantle. But the costume seemed very En Sabah Nur. If, as Radiator suggests, Apocalypse has been hank for some time - perhaps that explains his altered appearance, rather than secondary mutation.

And that would presumably make him the link between Cassandra Nova, the U-Men and Weapon Plus. I keep thinking about the Master Mold in NXM115, which was processing mutant biomass.

Interesting that the previews of Here Comes Tomorrow we've seen before this include panels from later issues. It would seem from Eva's comments here that the man in goggles with the U-Men insignia on his white suit is Fantomex.

Was it just me or did the Cuckoos not seem to have aged? Given the flashback to the aftermath of Planet X at the end of the issue, I wonder if time travel is involved. Like how we've come full circle on E is for Extinction with Cassanadra as the Institute's headmistress - and humanity on the brink of extinction.

10:21 / 29.11.03

Ok, I haven't run into a lot of spoilers, and I try to avoid Wizard like the plague (though I do grab Toyfare on a regular basis), and I have two questions. You'll have to excuse me if they seem kind of obvious...

1. Grant does have one more story after Planet X wraps up, yes?
2. Is no one else disturbed by the notion that they're going to go back to using the more flashy costumes for the X-Men after Morrison leaves?

10:29 / 29.11.03

The next arc - 151-151 - is called Here Comes Tomorrow. I don't care about the flashier costumes because I doubt I'll buy the comic after Morrison leaves.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

11:33 / 29.11.03

The Phoenix egg thing sort of means you have to ignore a ton of bullshit in the X-Cannon.

I have no problem with this.

This isn't the way I thought grant would retcon things- it's far more interesting.

11:54 / 29.11.03

Yeah the Phoenix Egg concept could do wonders for Jean's continuity if it is done right. I so hope that they reveal that the cocoon was really an egg.

I wonder how the egg got on the moon. Maybe the fight gets taken to the moon at the end of Planet X or the egg was sent there.

My Speculation/Theory- Perhaps everywhere the Phoenix dies- there will be an egg. Jean died on the shuttle that crashed into jamaica bay so there was an egg there. Since Dark Phoenix died on the moon- there will be an egg there too.

Though that theory would mean there should have be an egg where she dies in Planet X but maybe it was destroyed or something.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

13:21 / 29.11.03

1. Grant does have one more story after Planet X wraps up, yes?

Yes, 'Here Comes Tomorrow' is 151-154 and then that's it. And while I hate Wizard as well, the complete issue 151 is printed in the latest issue.

2. Is no one else disturbed by the notion that they're going to go back to using the more flashy costumes for the X-Men after Morrison leaves?

Eh, they're all dressed like a Manga Liberache over in Uncanny. It depends if anyone worth caring about takes over after Grant. 154 could just as easily be my last X-Men (no longer 'New X-Men') ish.

14:28 / 29.11.03

"Rover and I" is amazing -- sounds like some 1960s MY GREATEST ADVENTUER-type comic book that Grant M. loved when he was but a wee lad. Fantastic retro-fun!!

Yeah, those Cuckoos don't seem to have aged much - but their special powers could explain that, I guess. I'm not too concerned about that.

Any ideas about the etymology of Tom Skylark? Is he a Brit (from his speech I'd guess he's English)? Maybe he's like a British Tom Sawyer grown-up - smart, crafty, causing mischief.

Is Rover really dead!??? Say it ain't so!!! And one of the Crawlers was hiding in his chest thingie?!?!? Damn!!! Nice use of the "Multiple Man" codes. Every once in a while Grant reaches back into the non-mainstream "X" box of toys. I want more Rover!! His "DESTROY" vocabulary cracked me up. "...destroy??" when he sees the Crawler. Love the humor in this ish. "Bad News Cassie"

Scott & Emma together - I love it. And I loved Jean's epitath - "She will rise again." We all know she's comin' back to life - even her tombstone says it!!! Haw!

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

15:12 / 29.11.03

Rover reminded me of Armored Gideon from 2000ad- ANIALATE!

16:22 / 29.11.03

EVA: "I'm a Generation N unit from The World." N = 14. EVA must be Weapon 14.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

18:10 / 29.11.03

It could also be N for nano, but well spotted...

Which sort of begs the question, when did E.V.A. bust out of the world?

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