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New X-Men #151 (Spoilers...WTF!?)

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17:49 / 11.12.03

Cameron -

I read it because I figured that since it is set in the future, that not much of the 150 would be spoiled. And nothing really was for me.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

18:53 / 11.12.03

Well, now we know what will be on (or rather be) the last disk of the New X-Men soundtrack. Stravinski's Firebird is based on the legend and I'll be damned if it isn't the prettiest piece of classical music on Earth.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

01:59 / 12.12.03

I know some people like to peek ahead a bit, but...doesn't it fuck things up to read it out of sequence?

Actually it really does read very well without having read #150. I almost looks like it was written (or re-written )with it's early prieview appearence in mind.

14:36 / 12.12.03

The Firebird Suite IS pretty, but just doesn't feel tough or scary or similar to what I'm seeing on Silvestri's pages. Maybe that's the irony or something.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

16:29 / 12.12.03

Maybe a bonus disc, then?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

19:20 / 18.12.03

I never thought of it before, but by #151, everything Quentin Quire saw as he was ..err.. accelerating... has come to pass. I'm slow on the uptake sometimes.

Matthew Fluxington

19:45 / 18.12.03

Well, except for the part about him not being born yet.

Or not.

20:12 / 18.12.03

He doesn't get born because Xorneto kills him before he completes his evolution...

20:12 / 18.12.03

maybe...

20:29 / 18.12.03

You fools. QQ is obviously Scott and Emma's son sent to the past to save the future.

Here Comes Tomorrow is gonna get that wacky, I can feel it.

20:29 / 18.12.03

... like Jean. The disinfection doesn't happen - the death of Jean = the death of Senator Kelly in Days of Future Past, or the death of Xavier in the Age of Apocalypse.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

20:37 / 18.12.03

I figure that sinister intentions or not, Xorneto's killing of Quire did in fact give birth to him. Or freed him into the telepathisphere enough to realize that no one has been born yet.

10:15 / 22.12.03

If you subscribe to the theory that Hank is possessed by Apocalypse then the enemy inside that Quire mentions before he dies could be Apocalypse, rather than Magneto.

I wonder whether time travel is involved here, as the Cuckoos say that Magneto is messing with gravity and time. Perhaps time is fucked up - passing too quickly or in a loop. (E.g. if Quire was from the future that would suggest the X-men are trapped in a time loop, which has been done before by Claremont with Rachel Summers.)

03:24 / 30.12.03

Forgive me if I got the details wrong, but didn't Wolverine blow up an asteroid that had time accelerating machines on it?

Shouldn't that be bad? If something like that wasn't contained anymore shouldn't it affect time?

Really, there should be some proper disposal process of that type of thing. Or at least a procedure like how you shouldn't pour grease down a drain?

12:59 / 30.12.03

I don't think the asteroid had them on it. Just the dome.

Still, laudable concerns.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

16:42 / 07.01.04

It's worth noting that there is an extra page in the real #151 that was not in the Wizard preview.

18:48 / 07.01.04

Thanks for noting that, kevin - what is it and why would they do that, I wonder? Previous WIZARD previews that claimed to have the full issue really did have the FULL issue. Hmm....

19:14 / 07.01.04

I don't think the asteroid had them on it. Just the dome.

Weapon XV did crack open the World's containment dome on his way out...

22:12 / 07.01.04

I blame wizard for the anti-climax of this week's X-Men issue. I put it away before I even read it. It became like filing work.

I also blame all of you for your deft analysis'.

If not for Brit: Cold Death, this would have been a Non-Wednesday.

23:09 / 07.01.04

Thankfully I avoided 90% of the spoilerage and as a result enjoyed the read.

Not sure about the art, the coloring seemed a bit weaker as well. Is it me or does this team have a major INVISIBLES feel.

Skylark vaguely reminds me of Jack Frost.

I bet he'll adopt E.V.A. if his sentinal is distroyed by the 'crawlers.

E.V.A. is total Magik Mirror.

00:57 / 08.01.04

In addition to the final slash page that isn't in the Wizard preview, the coloring is different throughout - and a few panels have had their art changed (most notably the half-page panel of Wolverine talking to Cassie).

And you must buy the issue if only for Wolverine's hot classic rock 'glutes'.

01:02 / 08.01.04

Heh. That should have read 'splash page', not 'slash page'. Let the tangent begin.

11:40 / 08.01.04

So what's on the extra page?

11:55 / 08.01.04

if its the splash page at the end we are talking about it just shows the start of the scene in the graveyard (at jeans grave) between scott and emma.

12:33 / 08.01.04

This is not entirely related to what we've been discussing, but it concerns this last storyline. I stumbled on an interview Morrison gave to Sequential Tart in August, 2002, where he talks about his (then upcoming) 2nd year of New X-Men and mentions his homage to his favorite european comics, the riots and finally, and I quote:

SPOILER

"(...)a new way of looking at the 'Phoenix' concept and the [B]X-Men vs. the Ultimate Enemy of all intelligent life[/B]."

For me, this can only mean DARK Phoenix; not Phoenix, but DARK Phoenix, which may well be a totally different entity and not one and the same. Just look at this: the Proud People find the Phoenix Egg on the Moon, where she died on first instance. Jean, the "White" Phoenix, was found at the bottom of the sea as a cocoon and restored to life.

The preview pages from issue 154 show Wolverine facing (a quite Dark) Phoenix, which even looks like that god-awful Goblin Queen (clearly a "Silvestritis"), which may prove, at least partially, this theory. Remains to be seen it they're really two different, opposite beings, and what role does the Beast represent. I think the "En Sabah Nur as the Beast" theory is way too much convoluted and there's more than meets the eye with good old Hank.

12:33 / 08.01.04

This is not entirely related to what we've been discussing, but it concerns this last storyline. I stumbled on an interview Morrison gave to Sequential Tart in August, 2002, where he talks about his (then upcoming) 2nd year of New X-Men and mentions his homage to his favorite european comics, the riots and finally, and I quote:

SPOILER

"(...)a new way of looking at the 'Phoenix' concept and the [B]X-Men vs. the Ultimate Enemy of all intelligent life[/B]."

For me, this can only mean DARK Phoenix; not Phoenix, but DARK Phoenix, which may well be a totally different entity and not one and the same. Just look at this: the Proud People find the Phoenix Egg on the Moon, where she died on first instance. Jean, the "White" Phoenix, was found at the bottom of the sea as a cocoon and restored to life.

The preview pages from issue 154 show Wolverine facing (a quite Dark) Phoenix, which even looks like that god-awful Goblin Queen (clearly a "Silvestritis"), which may prove, at least partially, this theory. Remains to be seen it they're really two different, opposite beings, and what role does the Beast represent. I think the "En Sabah Nur as the Beast" theory is way too much convoluted and there's more than meets the eye with good old Hank.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

12:44 / 08.01.04

JSP> i saw the cover of an issue of new xmen today and i was like "jesus i hate comics."
King-Prawn> oh, the gaybo Wolverine?
Gibbs> whats on the cover
Gibbs> link!
JSP> i don't have a link.
Gibbs> fuck you linK!
King-Prawn> yeah, I have that in wizard so I don't have to buy it
JSP> it was on someone's desk, i will link to their desk.
Gibbs> do it
JSP> it was, um, it was wolverine shot from behind drawn all muscly and he's sporting really tight jeans and a cowboy hat and christ i hate comics.

12:54 / 08.01.04

Wow, I finally got the issue.
Thank GOD Grant's back on his game again at last.

This felt like one of GM's comics should do. Lots happening, a bit of exposition and some cracking dialogue. Plenty in there for me to ruminate over aswell. I am completely convinced that if Beast isn't En Sabah Nur then he bloody well should be. All that apocalyptic referencing really has to be pointing to something.

Love E.V.A. guess she's weapon 14 then? N = 14th letter of the alphabet.
I really hope Emma and Scott take over the Institute, what a great idea, almost better than having Jean do it (please leave her dead though).
My theory on the time/split/universe being wrong: When Magneto kills Esme thats when it all starts coming undone. Possibly when he kills Phoenix but only so she can come back to sterilise the planet. Either way I don't think this means the whole of GM's run can be undone that easily.

Matthew Fluxington

13:13 / 08.01.04

I think the "En Sabah Nur as the Beast" theory is way too much convoluted and there's more than meets the eye with good old Hank.

How the hell is that convoluted, yet that character ACTUALLY BEING HENRY McCOY 150 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE AND TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER not convoluted, especially since there is virtually nothing in the entire run of New X-Men which credibly supports such a conclusion? Why, when in an issue where the evil Beast (the Beast of Revelations, as it were) is creating soldiers out of the spliced DNA of former X-Men, is it so hard to believe that this character simply created that body from Henry's DNA? I mean, really.

Meanwhile, this character is acting pretty much exactly like En Sabah Nur, with all of that characters motives and skills. En Sabah Nur has been mentioned throughout the run - and probably not for good reason, because it's not as though we've seen a half dozen inexplicable or unnecesssary references to Cain Marko or Sauron. We've got a lot of evidence to suggest that it's been En Sabah Nur all along, some of which seems increasingly obvious, and yet that's convoluted compared to Henry McCoy suddenly being revealed to be the archvillain without warning. Right.

13:28 / 08.01.04

Oh and I'm sure no-one reads it but John Sublime is alive and kicking it seems in Weapon X (the book). Chamber is tasked with finding him and killing him.
Also Tieri seems to like playing with New X-men images as Fantomex assaulting Magneto is on the splash page (on a monitor) too. I almost bought the book because of it in fact, then realised that would be stupid.
Is this foreshadowing of things to come? Can everyone play with Grant's idea's now he's left?

14:20 / 08.01.04

Quoting Matthew: [i]"We've got a lot of evidence to suggest that it's been En Sabah Nur all along, some of which seems increasingly obvious, and yet that's convoluted compared to Henry McCoy suddenly being revealed to be the archvillain without warning. Right."[/i]

I'm a rather civilized person, who would like to think he is in a civilized forum for intelligent people, so your harsh, spoiled bratish tone, didn't really ring quite well with me.

So you ask me why your own theory may be convoluted. Well, you're the one who are going to answer (or confirm) my assumption. From the "Who is Cassandra Nova?" topic, here is an excerpt from a post from Matthew Fluxington, at 18:22 December, 12, 2003:

[b]"My theory (and it's a convoluted one, for sure):
The Beast from Here Comes Tomorrow is En Sabah Nur(...)"[/b]

Thank you for your kind answer.

14:21 / 08.01.04

Quoting Matthew: [i]"We've got a lot of evidence to suggest that it's been En Sabah Nur all along, some of which seems increasingly obvious, and yet that's convoluted compared to Henry McCoy suddenly being revealed to be the archvillain without warning. Right."[/i]

I'm a rather civilized person, who would like to think he is in a civilized forum for intelligent people, so your harsh, spoiled bratish tone, didn't really ring quite well with me.

So you ask me why your own theory may be convoluted. Well, you're the one who are going to answer (or confirm) my assumption. From the "Who is Cassandra Nova?" topic, here is an excerpt from a post from Matthew Fluxington, at 18:22 December, 12, 2003:

[b]"My theory (and it's a convoluted one, for sure):
The Beast from Here Comes Tomorrow is En Sabah Nur(...)"[/b]

Thank you for your kind answer.

14:37 / 08.01.04

Aaaahhh... bickering is always so much fun.
I didn't initially agree with Flux about this but some of the evidence has made it a compelling theory. One I still doubt that Morrison will actually go through with (I am starting to prefer the Barbelith version of New X-men than the real new x-men).
But you can't deny that Beast is acting incredibly out of character (what with being a bad guy n all) and I sincerly doubt that he isn't the big bad in the future (for all those who think that perhaps he's not as bad as he looks).

If anything I just hope that all these changes will be explained instead of being taken for granted like they were so intollerably during Planet X.

15:30 / 08.01.04

Judge and Jury, Flux... looks like ya kinda buried yourself there, eh man..? That's no fun, but whateve.....

I think the obsession with Apocalypse is really starting to get a little heavy, and hey, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS, right? But if and when this arc ends and it isn't him, will your face be red or will u still be convincing the forum that it SHOULD'VE been him?

15:57 / 08.01.04

Now boys, play nice.

We think BOTH of your theories are just super.

Kiss and make up?

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