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Pitching to Epic

 
  

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Sax
14:31 / 17.04.03
I was interested in the link yawn (I think) posted a couple of pages back at which Marvel implied they were taking submissions from writers that was nothing to do with the Epic thing.

I might punt my script, which is almost finished and just needs tarting up, on that basis. But I might also send it to Epic just to see what happens.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:38 / 17.04.03
sax, I'm still confused by that statement. I was hoping for some kind of verification, cos it's certainly an interesting opportunity.
 
 
Sax
15:08 / 17.04.03
As far as I can tell it seems they're asking established writers to send them examples of work - but note it doesn't specify published work. They say they don't want novels or comic scripts. I'm going to send them sample chapters of two novels I've got out with agents at the moment, plus a copy of a short story I've entered for the Bridport Prize, plus some examples of journalism. Then I'm going to put my script in with it all, say I was planning to send it to Epic, but would they be interested in taking it up as a normal-rate writing job where I don't have to fanny around finding artists.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:09 / 17.04.03
But, of course, you ARE doing a script for me. Stupid yawn.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:18 / 18.04.03
As you can see, contrary to the Topic Abstract, my name is Craig Davig Runce.

Which is just great.

Anyway...

One thing I've found about this whole super-script lark: it's really bashing me writing head into shape. I was mulling this one over last night, and I came to the conclusion that I'm learning an awful lot of really important stuff by forcing myself to work within the formal constraints of big two-style scripting. I can't help feeling a smattering of envy when I read Fly's Jenny strip - it's so much....looser, so much more free to ramble and wallow and take in the sights than the stuff I've been farting out for Epic. So, yeah, it does fill me with the whole "but, Sir, I don't want to paint the still-life tableaux" thing I used to get in art class. But that's just the trick: maybe I shouldn't get to muck about writing any old shite right now. Maybe it's a good idea to hone all the basic comic-y skills an Epic script demands: telling a good, strong, entertaining story in 22 pages, introducing all the characters and fleshing them out, setting the scene, working in the obligatory acksheearn scenes, giving the thing a sense of depth and largely limiting myself to four or five panels a page. Oh, and finally, taking a worn out concept like the superhero and making it interesting to look at again. I'm not saying I've got all this down yet, but this pitching business provides me with a bloody great excuse to learn exactly what a mainstream READ ME! comic requires to make it work; and to get in a shitload of practice sussing out all this entry level guff. And the cool thing is, if I want ANYONE to notice me, I can't make excuses, I've GOT TO play by the rules.

At the moment ('cause I'm not jaded and gribbling), I'm totally dazzled by how much fun this all is. I keep on wondering how other writers get their ideas - how the script comes to them. I tend to find the first thing I get is a couple of really strong images and the story kinda flows out of them. It's amazing how stuff just writes itself.

I must sound so inexperienced and shit right now, but fuck it: celebrations and jubilations! I can hardly believe all those cliches writer's waffle on about when they're talking about their craft are actually true. Weird.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:21 / 18.04.03
Yeah, I admit it, I was one of those twats who banged on and on about all their hallucinations when they were tripping. You know, the people you really want to get away from.
 
 
The Falcon
00:12 / 19.04.03
Did you tell people about "really mad dreams" you had too? Never quite works.
 
 
CameronStewart
02:16 / 19.04.03
Runce.

Please, please, please believe me when I tell you that I have no interest at all in bullying you, or being a naysayer, or generally stirring up any kind of ill-willed shitstorm between us. I don't want you being pissed at me, I don't want you as a bulletin-board enemy.

Having said that:

>>>Maybe it's a good idea to hone all the basic comic-y skills an Epic script demands: telling a good, strong, entertaining story in 22 pages, introducing all the characters and fleshing them out, setting the scene, working in the obligatory acksheearn scenes, giving the thing a sense of depth and largely limiting myself to four or five panels a page...(snip)...this pitching business provides me with a bloody great excuse to learn exactly what a mainstream READ ME! comic requires to make it work<<<

I really don't understand why you *need* a Marvel property to do this. Writers figured out this stuff on their own long before there was an Epic cattle call. I don't think, for example, many aspiring screenwriters learn how to write film scripts by writing all-new adventures of Rick from Casablanca, or go pitching Star Wars stories to Lucasfilm. They watch movies, read scripts, study and learn the rules of drama...and then use what they've learned by applying it to their *own* writing.

It just seems to me like you're using the Marvel characters as a crutch. You're a bit nervous about sitting down and *creating* something on your own - perhaps the fear that you CAN'T do it (which is very likely unfounded). But I honestly think that you really aren't going to make any kind of significant strides as a writer until you just brace yourself, dive in and write for REAL, instead of (as you put it)"farting around" with someone else's characters.

It reminds me of the fourth guy in my studio - he's a talented illustrator but he is heavily, heavily reliant on photo-reference for his drawings - it's his crutch. He takes dozens and dozens of photos for a single drawing, and doesn't allow himself to use his imagination for any of it. If he tries to draw without using his digital camera first he freezes up, crippled by the uncertainty of the blank page. Thing is, he probably CAN draw without the photo-ref, if he practiced, but by being so dependent on the camera he's allowed his imagination to atrophy. And as such he's set a limit for himself - he's never going to become a truly great artist until he learns to cast that crutch aside.

I just worry that you're going to impose a similar restriction on yourself - it's easier and safer to write Spider-Man than it is to do your own thing, so you may fall into the habit of ALWAYS writing Spider-Man. "I'm not ready to do my own thing yet, but tomorrow. Definitely tomorrow. Well, maybe the day after. Or the day after that...okay, next week for sure..."

Again, I get no pleasure out of being a jerk, or to piss on people's parade, so please don't take that as my motivation. All friendly intentions here, so please no "why the fuck are you giving me shit" type responses. If I didn't care about seeing you do good work I wouldn't waste my time commenting at all - I'd just let you get on with it. I get the sense that you're a creative guy who wants to write but lacks the confidence to go that extra mile - I'm trying to show you that you probably have it in you. You don't NEED to "play by the rules" to get noticed - that's Marvel corporate bullshit to keep you from trying something new. Work For Marvel. Make Marvel Money. It Is The Only Way. Half the people who work in the business got there by NOT playing by the rules and doing their own thing - myself included. The ones who've become truly great are the ones who KEPT doing their own thing (and after doing Someone Else's Thing for too long, I'm going back to My Own - details in July).

Alright, I'm done. Hopefully you won't take this as an attack, cos it really isn't. I'm trying to be the Xorn, smashing open your diamond body to set you free...

 
 
8===>Q: alyn
02:50 / 19.04.03
Sure, Cameron, but screenwriters do sit around writing scripts for successful TV shows with established characters because it's a way to get a foot in the door and it's a fun way to practice your craft. Also, sooperheroes are not only loads of fun, they're Important, especially the goofy Big 2 ones, for mystical and arcane reasons. So there's nothing wrong with what Runce is doing and it's not a crutch. You're coming across maybe as a little bit jaded. You put a lot into your DIY stuff, which I respect crazily and I think we all appreciate the professional advice, but that doesn't mean someone else has to go about it the same way.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:58 / 19.04.03
Cameron, you really don't need to worry about me writing my own stuff. Right now I've only written 2 scripts. Ever. At the mo', I'm simply exploiting my weakness for soopertypes to learn a few skills and get into writing. And, you know what, it's working! I think it's too early in the game to jump to all that "crutch" stuff.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:02 / 19.04.03
runce: I;m not a writer. I occasionally want to tell stories though. The ideas are usually mulling around in my head for a few years, then sychronistically, events will occur which massage the story out into the info-sphere (gag), sorta like squeezing toothpaste onto your toothbrush or tomato puree onto your pizza base. (look, I told you I'm not a writer.)

These events or 'things' would be elements such as:

the epic call for submissions
a character which has returned to my attention
a love of two short stories and a need to adapt and re-tell them, re-lothed.

These 'things' coalgulate around a larger theme, basically the one story that we have in all of us, mine being the exploration of varying levels of consciousness and how to represent that on a page. (oh, is that your one story, yawn? you pretentious, boring cunt. Aye. It is. Whit ye gonnae dae aboot it?)

Depending on the strength of the final push up the toothpaste or puree tube, these 'things' may 'set' into a material form, ie, a fucking script or summat.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:42 / 19.04.03
You're coming across maybe as a little bit jaded.

The fuck? I mean, seriously, where the hell do you get that from? I don't get any sense of Cameron being jaded, of all things...

And I'm sorry, but I don't buy all that ism about the "Big 2" superheroes being 'Important' and majickal and yada yada. Important to who? And which characters? At the end of the day, they'll never be as Important or Mystical to *me* as characters I come up with on my own...

Anyway, I've figured out the perfect Epic script template. A group of multi-ethnic, polysexual hip kids sit in a cafe for the first 19 pages talking about politics and TV they watched when they were kids. They leave, and on the way home one of them is attacked by a mugger... who is then horribly savaged by a gritty, edgy version of -

FLIP TO FULL-PAGE SPLASH ON FINAL PAGE!

- any old obscure Marvel character.

You can then print sixty versions of this, with a different last page each time. Then send them all in.

Aha.

Ahahaha.
 
 
glassonion
08:55 / 20.04.03
whoa! careful there! we've all just read your je strip remember?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:51 / 20.04.03
flybers, yer not making any sense:

why should a character you've created yourself be any more powerful, even to you, than an established cultural myth?

I mean, I get more kicks out of perseus, theseus, begbie and happy shrapnel than I do from any characters I've conjured up myself. Have you not taken on board ANY of the philosophy derived from the intense Fiction Suit Discussions on this board FFS?

And to someone who is excited by the epic thing, Cameron does sound jaded.

hyperactively jaded,

but jaded all the same.

Maybe you're all of a different age group, or maybe you just didn't get excited back in the day, cos I was fuckin thrilled when I found out there was a couple o massive ooniverses bubbling over with absurd characters who were waiting to step forward on to the stage and dance the dance bizarro. Moore's anatomy lesson with the swamp thing was the paradigm's portal: the script a magic recipe which said;

'do as thou wilt'

as long as its good.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:14 / 20.04.03
Get a grip. Power Pack and MODOK aren't quite "established cultural myths," they are, along with every other character available for usage in this Epic thing, at best hyper-obscure pop cultural detritus.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:01 / 20.04.03
Oh, calm down ferchrissakes. I didn't say they were the most Important thing in the universe. I just said they were Important and there's nothing wrong with wanting to do stuff with them. Fuckin' puritans, maaaaan.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:56 / 20.04.03
Argh. In order:

glassonion: exactly. I am capable of taking the piss out of myself, you know?

yawn: why should a character you create yourself be more powerful *to you* than an "established cultural myth"? Well, Jesus man, I don't know how to say this without sounding pretentious as fuck, but isn't that what writing's all about? I'm not saying characters I may come up with will be more important to other people than anyone else's, but they do tend to occupy a position in my head/heart that other people's characters don't - not that this makes them "better" than Emma Frost, Joe Kavalier or Wesley Wyndham-Price, just that I find when there's an inevitable personal, emotional investment involved when I create a character (although of course, no character is ever 100% original - just thought I'd pre-empt that one...).

And that's leaving aside the issue over whether the characters one would likely be using in an Epic pitch really are "established cultural myths". I gotta go with Flux here - these characters may be beuatiful in their own way, but they don't have the same kind of resonance as Santa Clause, Dracula, John Lennon or Superman, and you're playing y'self if you think otherwise. Just because you read and got excited by certain comics as a kid and would like to write some of those yourself does not "established cultural myths" make - there's nothing *wrong* with it either, per se, but... let's just say I'm as excited by those X2 posters as the nexy geek, and it has a lot to do with reading slightly naff Jim Lee X-comics as a kid, but I would be kidding myself - KIDDING MYSELF - if I thought that made Rogue a deeply important cultural archetype.

As for this:

Have you not taken on board ANY of the philosophy derived from the intense Fiction Suit Discussions on this board FFS?

...You know, there's something almost reassuring about the way that, after all these years, you *still* can't accept the fact that someone else might have a different interpretation of, or disagree even partially with, an idea that crops up in the work of Grant Morrison. I've taken many things from discussions here about fiction suit philosophy on board, yawn. I've applied them in many areas of my life, from writing fiction to interpersonal relations. I've seen a tiger. Maybe because I don't consider the Red Ghost an important cultural myth archetype, it means I still haven't understood Flex Mentallo properly, or something. Maybe.

Qualyn: I'm not a fucking puritan. Stop trying to distort the terms of the argument, they're very clear: you stated that sooperheroes are not only loads of fun, they're Important, especially the goofy Big 2 ones, for mystical and arcane reasons, I disagree where the characters available for use in Epic pitches are concerned. How about you give me some examples?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:56 / 20.04.03
Qalyn - I was responding to Yawn, and not necessarily to your comments. Just so you know.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:17 / 20.04.03
re: the whole fictionsuit thing

I get a bit annoyed by it, not just because it's a way for Morrison to brand a concept that's been around for a very very long time and claim it for himself, but because it's not a particularly fascinating idea to me and I think it is mostly used as a quasi-academic excuse for the man to write crazy superhero comics. I don't think the guy really needs such a convoluted excuse to write a character as silly and as obviously fantasy/wish fulfillment based as King Mob. Any idiot could have figured out the 'fictionsuit' stuff without being told about it, it's not exactly profound or subtle.

I can't see what the fictionsuit idea has to do with this Epic thing, or in writing bargain-basement corporate properties. Yeah, maybe you can use the fictionsuit thing in writing them, alright, but so fucking what? People do it all the time. You surely don't need Marvel's approval/paycheck to do so.

Let's stop pretending that everything Grant says is profound, alright? If we keep this "haven't we learned ANYTHING from our intense discussions of Grant's philosophies" shit going, it just makes him seem like a comic geek L Ron Hubbard.
 
 
moriarty
15:55 / 20.04.03
This post is going to get lost in the shitstorm, but I've been meaning to make it for awhile now.

I know this thread seems filled to the brim with negativity (especially now), but there really haven't been that many critical comments in comparison to positive ones. And like you graciously said yourself, Runce, this is a topic that one can be critical about. In fact, many of the people who have said critical things have publicly wrestled with the idea of submitting themselves (Flux, Fly, myself), and so these aren't necessarily clearcut naysayers.

My problem with the Epic thing isn't that people want to write and draw second-rate superheroes, perpetuating the closing gap between the handful of fans left for the genre and the industry itself. Nope. Many people make a decent living writing and drawing superhero comics. Give me the choice of working at a fast food restaurant and developing my chops at one of the Big 2, and the choice is obvious. And like most of you have said, this is a hobby, something to waste time.

But for those of you who actually want to get accepted, or who are now planning on making this a career, what will you do if you don't make it? When you sit down and think about it, there are bound to be far more writers than artists. I have yet to see even one person say that they are submitting art to Marvel, compared to almost a hundred writing submissions. Let's say that there's 1 publishable artist for every 10 publishable writers. Marvel will not be printing more comics than there are decent artists. And this doesn't even take into account the need for letterers, inkers, colourists, etc or that many of those artists won't be able to make a deadline, spreading the talent pool even thinner. You could have an excellent script, but if there's no one to draw it, it won't get published. If I were submitting to Epic, and wanted to actually get in, I'd try out for a lettering job or something.

And so what will happen if you don't get in? This Epic thing is the American Idol of comics. People who have written scripts before but haven't made it are joined by people who haven't even entertained the idea, all trying to squeeze into a few tiny slots. The odds are horrible. On the other hand, when you look at the careers of people who actually work in the industry, most of them paid their dues. Morrison, Moore and Millar have all been brought up in this thread, but not one of them started working for the Big Two. Each of them, and the majority of the industry, did work for the small press, alternative newspapers, fanzines, self-publishing, working in editorial or administrative departments, etc.

Mediocre comics are published in small press anthologies every day. I've seen work on this board that would put many published comics to shame. If you really wanted to get into Marvel (and I know not all of you do), why not take the long road and produce compentent work, under deadline, showing that you have what it takes to deliver the goods?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:45 / 20.04.03
pra I got a 'response' from fluxy!

Also, I've noticed fluxy doesn't much respond to people's points.

He just steamrollers in with that same blustery attitide which the Iraqi's so hate.

ha ha.



Flyboy: yer argument about your own characters being the most important regardless of how you've interacted with someones elses fictional construct, doesn't hold up for me. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think that's the point of writing or anything like that. Literature is full of 'interpretations' and I find this method of developing storioes to be particualrly exciting. Hence my interest in Epic.

Why do so many talented, feted artists return to Socrates and Shakespeare? Corporate characters in other media are also sought after by talented writers. (examples will be supplied by others!) On another note, Wil Self has recently retold the Picture of Dorian Gray. Basically, the model of fictional construction which you apparently so depise, is actually a traditional menthod which has been used for a very long time.

And, as I said, I've yet to be as absorbed by one of my own creations as I have been by other's work.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:55 / 20.04.03
beofre fluxy's version of the truth becomes cast in the blackest of stone:

my comments re: fiction suits were about the understandings we have reached HERE on Barbelith about ideas, fiction and reality, not the musings of GM which obviously spoil fluxy's sleep.

Moore's input on the subject; of ideas and gods and fictions occupying the same teritory are philosophies long since developed before said comic scribes were born. They both tailor it to suit their chosen media.

Don't delude yourself that their is a cult of Morrison who we all follow slavishly.

If you thought that, I'd suspect you to be dim.

just so you know.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:05 / 20.04.03
Right. Ideas about fiction and reality.

And what exactly does that have to do with the Important Cultural Myth of M.O.D.O.K.?

It may help to write your answer to the question coherently, and with proper grammar.

I'm not sure if I'm really going to buy the fictionsuit thing as being anything other than a quasi-mystical bullshit answer to the question of "why are you doing work-for-hire when you could be writing your own stories with your own characters?," particularly in the context of this discussion.

Let's just be honest with ourselves, okay? If you want to write stories about corporate properties, then fine. Okay. That's your choice. But please kindly fuck off with the rationalizations of it, and pretending that your Fantastic Four Vs. Doctor Doom story is some sigil that allows you to subvert a corporate property or anything like that. That's just delusional crap, and you know it.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:55 / 20.04.03
*high-fives Flux*
 
 
The Falcon
22:10 / 20.04.03
*double-clotheslines Cameron and Flux*
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
00:04 / 21.04.03
fluxxxxx, cameron;

ya crazy hot bi honeys!

pack it in will ya?

na night.

on another note; flux, yours is a cold outlook on creativity. good luck.

and don't get bogged down in spellchecking others; it's a waste of time. you end up looking silly, no matter how COHERANTLY (ahem) you present your findings.
 
 
The Falcon
01:14 / 21.04.03
Dude. Spelling karma. Always happens.

On the topic of creator-owned v. company-owned there's an interesting interview with Dave Sim, all about it, here.
 
 
moriarty
01:54 / 21.04.03
There are so many different Dave Sims. The absolute greatest reference I have ever seen for publishing yourself is the Cerebus Guide to Self-Publishing. There was a point where I told Dave Sim at a convention that I lent it out and believed I would never get it back. He said that he would send me one free of charge. I got it back, so I never needed a new one, but he might still have copies if anyone's interested. The guide is really astounding.

It's funny how so much of what he says in that interview reflects the Jenny Everywhere ethos. One of the things I took from that guide when mulling over the Jenny idea was when he talked about how anyone could use Cerebus, even Gerhard, and it would be survival of the fittest. This is what motivated him to stay at the top of the game. By giving others the key to his kingdom he had to fight like Hell to stay on top.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:27 / 21.04.03
Flyboy: Stop trying to distort the terms of the argument, they're very clear:

Dude, the terms of the argument were: "I'm going to pitch some stuff for Marvel's new Epic line. Are you?" and then a few people said what I'll paraphrase jingoistically as, "You might enjoy it, but Marvel is Bad For Comics and will rot your brain so don't do it," which is Puritanical, so, goddammit, I'm not distorting anything. It's fun, it's access to culture-forming memes that will take any one of us years and years to build on our own (and if you want to observe one here at B'lith, check out the MODOK thread or do a search on Captain America), and it's fun, so what's the big fuckin' deal? It's not an either/or proposition, you know.

you stated that sooperheroes are not only loads of fun, they're Important, especially the goofy Big 2 ones, for mystical and arcane reasons, I disagree where the characters available for use in Epic pitches are concerned. How about you give me some examples?

I don't feel like doing your interpreting for you right now, Flyboy, and if you don't like the idea at all, that's fine with me. Just don't shit on my good time, okay?

Flux (as well as Cameron and Jack F &c., if you're interested in my opinion), I ain't mad at you, daddy, I see where you're coming from and it's beautiful.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:26 / 21.04.03
Flux: Amongst other things, the fic-suit is just another angle on the "we're all being worn by 5D beasties" theme. So it served a purpose other than "I wanna be King Mob!" wankery, 'kay? I think you're a bit too dismissive sometimes. And the comments about yawn's punctuation are just so spiky and humourless and, well, err...why start that shit now?

Mori: Plans? As I've said repeatedly, this is the beginning of this shit for me, so I think I'm gonna be churning out Marvel, 2000ad, blah and creator-owned stuff. Exciting! Hooha! My PP scripts (soon to be scripts) could prolly be quickly converted into my own thing at the drop of a hat, acksherly.

This thread has gone so sour. It's horrible. Let's be friends holding hands with a wedding.
 
 
Char Aina
14:51 / 21.04.03
should we turn this thread into a discussion in a comicbook between ten or so of marvels defunct characters?

i think that would be a great script, a whole bunch of whinging supermen, hitting each other with battleships while they discuss fiction and big companies.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:08 / 21.04.03
>>>"You might enjoy it, but Marvel is Bad For Comics and will rot your brain so don't do it," which is Puritanical<<<

The fuck?* That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm responding to the assumptions in this thread that

a)writing Marvel scripts will teach you how to write better than figuring it out on your own, and

b)the Epic cattle call is your ONE BIG SHOT to make it as a writer - it's now or never.

I think both of these are utterly false and absurd, and I want to point out the alternative.

There's also an element of wanting people to avoid knocking out revamped versions of shitty old characters, because the comics market has entirely too much of those already - and because that while it's all "just a good larf, innit, just pissin' abaahht" to some, encouraging the trend just sets up more obstacles to me and everyone else who wants to do something better.



*(c)Flyboy
 
 
CameronStewart
15:28 / 21.04.03
P.S. Moriarty's American/Pop Idol analogy is dead on.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:45 / 21.04.03
The 'figuring it out' thing: I don't think the Epic way's "better", just more of an immediate call to.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:40 / 21.04.03
it must be said that my spelling and grammar were truly awful in the post which upset ole fluxy so much.

re: fik soot: I'm talking about stepping inside a character and making it walk and talk, about being a puppeteer with familiar toys - that's got to be fun if you're interested in fiction.

On another level it's the challenge of doing an 'Anatomy Lesson' on whatever scale I can manage: I love the idea of reviving a character even if only I enjoy the end result. It's a fictional device that appeals to me.

For me, 'fiction suit' is a way of defining the interface between the creator and his creation; it's a key, a way in to a story, a method which allows for the creation of rich virtual realities.

I've kind of realised where Fly and me don't see eye to eye:

basically, fly, you seem to focus on character, whereas I feel the story and the environment created is more important.

The way it works with me is this: I have an idea for a story, then I think how I should tell that story; Is it an architectural design? Is it a fanzine? Is it an interview? Is it an article? Is it a comic strip? Is it a CGI animation?

I studied architecture, that's what I practice but I have a background in digital design too. I like narrative; I'm compelled by images. I enjoy creativity. I have fun analysing fictions. I've also done a lot of freelance work for big institutions like the BBC and the Scottish Executive; I've whored for the council; and I've taken lolly from commercial practice too. I'm familiar with the concept of working with and for others. I've seen my designs ripped off, borrowed, watered down etc. I've done loads of creative things I've not been given credit for (you should see the lovely columns I've done on the Radisson Hotel in Glasgow - the building is credited to GM+AD Architects. Usually, there is no postscript saying, 'with columns by yawn'. But then, life's like that.) On the other hand, I have my own projects which are entirely controlled by me.

Therefore, I feel quite comfortable telling a story using corporate characters because I still feel it's my story. It may be even better for it, using these readymades.

I hope that clarifies why I, yawn, am pitching to Epic.
 
  

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