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Pitching to Epic

 
  

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Sax
10:51 / 28.05.03
...would you care to GO LARGE?
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:41 / 28.05.03
I have a few question about the legal papers that are part of the submission package:

I know I have to send in two signed copies of the Work-Made-For-Hire Agreement. But then there's a form that says Exhibit A which talks abut SUPPLIER and COMPANY. I don't know what to do with that form. Also Exhibit B is if you have an agent of some sort, which I don't so I don't have to send that one, right?

And then there's the Epic Idea Submission Form and it says Signature of the Witness. Does this mean I have to get this form noterized?
 
 
The Falcon
16:10 / 28.05.03
Five English pounds says Flyboy is working on a script about Annihilus opening a chain of coffee shops in the Negative Zone.

"This Mocha, This Monster"?
 
 
penitentvandal
17:06 / 28.05.03
Well, great minds and all that...

I am going to use Franklin Richards, but in an evil and backhanded way. The Pack need some reason to give up playing superheroes: fair enough. They give up after Franklin Richards is killed by anti-mutant vigilantes. After that it stopped being fun.

(do you see what I did there? I killed Reed Richards' son! I am now the most evil person in the Marvel Universe! Dr Doom is my bitch!)

Ahem.

Of course, the question of whether it is possible to actually ever destroy a mutant consciousness as powerful as Little Frank will loom large in discussions of the series on comic-book message boards, and will be answered in an astonishing twist in book four of the mini. Guest-starring the Fantastic Four. Oh yes.

Actually, the FF feature fairly largely in my pitch for this story (well, the one that exists in my head, anyway). One of the things I want to try and point out is that the Power Pack are basically what the Fantastic Four would be if the FF didn't get any breaks. Think about it:

Alex = Reed: science geek
Jack = Ben: troubled hard-ass guy with cheesy catchphrase(s)
Kate (I'll assume I've got the names right, since Runce hasn't corrected me) = Johnny: impetuous firebrand
Julie = Sue: mature outlook mother figure

Essentially: if your team consists of a world-class scientist, a varsity football player, James Dean, and a wealthy heiress, and you go into space to get your powers, you become the FF, get your own building, and get to be heroes to millions.

If your team consists of a bunch of kids, and something from space comes along and gives you your powers, you become the PP, play at heroes for a bit, then things go wrong, the world forgets you, and you can't even pay your own rent some months.

Needless to say, Power Pack: Empowered #4 will involve the FF being utterly useless in defeating the Cosmic Threat, and relying on the PP to save the day.

Oh fuck! Runce, do you fancy co-writing this if we ever get the time?
 
 
The Natural Way
18:04 / 28.05.03
Weeeell, thanks for the offer, but I've already knocked up about three episodes.

I'm going for the *elemental* thing all the way. Alex, to start with, is weighed down by gravity (read: responsibility), Katie's the highschool firebrand, Julie's the bright and airy student and Jack....well, Jack's stuck at his folk's and he's slowly becoming part of the furniture. The first arc (entitled 'Snarks and Boojums') deals with each of the kids in turn, getting the reader up to date with where they're at, and culminates in issue 5 with the Pack descending on the family home for Ma and Pa's wedding anniversary (they've been enjoying a second honeymoon on Snarkworld). Issue one features Alex at the head shrinkers and a protracted flashback sequence - an untold tale from the PP's childhood. The barbecue that went horribly wrong.

The last time Prof Power tries cooking the sausages with a laser gun, I can tell you that. And what is that thing on his head?

I'm playing up the humour and the Tenenbaums-esque emotional shenanigans. I love issue 2: superscraps in the playground - Katie and Wotanson vs the Ice Giants of Niflheim.

So, yeah, as you can see I've got very strong ideas about the way I want to see this book go. I'll be starting on ish 4 (tentatively entitled 'Still Life') in about three days and I just can't share.

Bathing in yr brother? Disgusting!
 
 
penitentvandal
21:25 / 28.05.03
Oh well, he did say that if he got two good Dr Strange ideas he'd publish two Dr Strange comics, so...
 
 
rakehell
04:25 / 29.05.03
There's a really good summary - or translation into plain English - of the Epic forms on Todd VerBeek's site.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:04 / 29.05.03
Velvet: it's not that I'm down on collaboration per se, it's just that I really want to keep the book simple, and some of yr ideas are a bit errr....involved and leave me scratching my head and wondering, well, 'Why? Why PP? Apart from the family angle, this could be anyone...'

And I definitely want to avoid DAAAAAAARK storylines - the drugs and the 'shit, man, I can't pay my RENT and nobody wants to know anymore!' stuff. As soon as Katie and Snorri Weinraub blow a crater in the school's baseball diamond, EVERYONE wants to know. CNN can't get the chopper there quickly enough. I want to keep it bright and Sunny - doesn't mean there won't be a shadow, but it has to be in contrast to the cute, zippy young woman who fires rainbows out of her butt.

This isn't a dis, just a statement of preference.
 
 
penitentvandal
11:06 / 29.05.03
Well, it seems dark but it actually turns out not to be in the end...I just like the idea of doing grown-up Kid Superheroes, superpowered versions of William H Macy's character in Magnolia. Escaping from the 'reality' of adult existence: Fight Club, Buffy 6, King Mob's vision of Hell, etc. By the end of the story the (albeit grown-up) kids are ready to have crazy super space adventures again, and all the darkness of the initial issues has gone, which is kind of the point. It's a Dark Ironic Hero Revival which winds up becoming nothing of the sort.

I dunno though, I just have a soft spot for fallen heroes coming back after years away from action, though...
 
 
The Natural Way
12:14 / 29.05.03
Oh, right, cool. I'm all about that, too (I loved season 6). Same process occurs in my PP....only more slowly.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:12 / 02.06.03
I knew there was something I was trying to remember - have the Power children got their powers back, then? Because didn't Alex have all of them in the New Warriors?
 
 
The Natural Way
11:30 / 04.06.03
Yep, but he's returned them now.
 
 
Sax
13:47 / 04.06.03
I'd like to see Haus's take on a Marvel super-hero. Which one, though?
 
 
Sax
10:01 / 05.06.03
Having completed the script for my first issue and "beat sheets" for the next 12, and having downloaded all the relevant forms from the Epic website, I'm paralyised by indecision.

Has anyone thought about what an absolute ball-ache it will be to assemble a creative team, keep everyone to deadline, deliver the goods, divvy up the money, etc etc etc, should your pitch get approved?

Is that what Marvel are counting on - the hope that no-one will be able to sustain it?
 
 
abstractgeek
14:20 / 05.06.03
after reading all the guidelines,Mike San Giacomo's posts about his series on the newsarama site, and the epic panel at wizardworld east, marvels true colors are showing. all the talk about creative freedom is out the window. it sure doesnt sound to me like they are looking for any fresh new voices, just a cheaper easier way to crank out more of the same. the editors are still tweaking the work, they just have you rework it to their specifications. they stress that this is to bring in new readers, then say at the panel, they dont want to be like vertigo, which has done a better job of bringing in new readers that any other mainstream venture. they dont want you to use any of the baggage that comes built in to their characters but also offer no reason to give (and i mean give in the literal sense, its all theirs you get squat as far as $ or control if it hits) them anything new. that being said ill still submit, but probably only as an artist. the artists for epic dont seem to be getting screwed any more than on their regular titles, just for less pay
 
 
FinderWolf
16:08 / 05.06.03
News from this weekend's panels at the big convention:

straight from www.newsarama.com:

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Epic

A good chunk of this panel was a rehash of the information listed on the site, including the “Charlie X” example and submission guidelines. Rather than go over all of that again, this is just clarifications and new items revealed at the panel.

[I have no idea what the 'Charlie X' thing is. -- HunterWolf]

The main thing Marvel is trying to get across was that they are looking for good stories. Many of the questions were about specific concerns with technique, format, and so forth. Marvel didn't seem very concerned with format, per se, as they wanted to see if the person has talent, not if they know the exact process. Follow the examples, but even they vary from one to the next. Essentially, don't sweat the small stuff. Just write.

Narrator captions from the main character were called a bit cliché, in response to "What are you sick of?"

The target audience, roughly, is the 12-25 age range, 60% male and 40% female, but if something doesn't fall in there submit it anyway. The goal is drawing new readers.

Other companies were given a blessing to steal this idea, as Marvel president Bill Jemas commented that ideas are abstracts, ideas can't be copyrighted, and if this helps others find new talent and great stories, it helps everyone out. It is not Marvel's intention to swindle people out of their ideas.

One-shots are okay to submit. If there's more story there, as was the case on one submission, they'll work with the creator to flesh it out.

[Sounds good for your submission, Imp! -- H.W.]

If submitting an arc suggestion, the beat sheet if for the purpose of establishing a game plan, knowing what you're doing with your story. It can be bullet points, an outline, or whatever, as long as it lets them know you have a plan.

It's fine to experiment with styles and techniques in both art and writing. If it's good, it's good. An artist who can vary their style should reflect that in their submission.

40% of the characters are new characters, 60% are established characters, but that number is based on submissions, not approved books.

There is no set number of books planned for the first year. If they get one good story, they publish one book. If they get a hundred, they publish a hundred. The business model allows a greater freedom and lower risk.

It is allowed to submit an ashcan or the like as an example of finished work if desired. If a group submits a book as a team, they may select one member and not the rest. They want the best possible finished product, and a weak link brings down the overall project.

They are looking for professionalism in the art rather than a particular style, since on book will require a different style than another.

Royalties for a trade paperback will be the same as for a standard writer, artist, etc.

If your work is rejected, you may take the story elsewhere.

Even after approval, they may work with you to further develop and improve the work. They aren't looking for a home run right away. one book in development has been through ten drafts. They want the talent and ideas, and people new to the process will likely need some training, work, and improvement.

General submissions under their previously standing policy will still be accepted.

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The Photographer in Blowup
19:13 / 06.06.03
Has anyone thought about what an absolute ball-ache it will be to assemble a creative team, keep everyone to deadline, deliver the goods, divvy up the money, etc etc etc, should your pitch get approved?

See here


TORRES: You mention the payment part. I recall a press release or interview with Jemas where he mentions $8000/issue as a figure for a kind of "production budget." That's about half the typical budget for a monthly Marvel book, right?

MOORE: You get $500 for an approved script. Then you get $7,500 for the completed book to be paid among all the members of the creative team, $500 of which is paid out when you deliver the first five completed pages of the book. We do it that way so we can establish that you've got everything working right before you go and make the whole book. Then the last $7000 is paid when you deliver the complete book on disc. So effectively, you have an $8000 budget. That's not counting sales royalties, though, which kick in once your book sells over 20,000 units.

TORRES: Sounds like you have a good support staff for production, but what about establishing page rates? Vouchers? That sort of thing. With Image, for example, there's basically one contact guy from the creative team and s/he signs all the paperwork, receives any advances, and is then responsible for paying everyone.

MOORE: We will be paying everyone individually, but the percentage of the total payment each team member receives will be negotiated between the team member and the writer or whoever is managing the project.
 
 
eeoam
07:53 / 09.06.03
Micah Ian Wright on EPIC:

Like I said, I was in NYC last week and stopped by Marvel for just this meeting.
They are -SO- behind on all these books. They've already gotten something like 2000 pitched scripts... and that's BEFORE they officially opened the doors to non-professionals. They're buried and will likely never see the light of day. They have a grand total of three whole people reading these pitches, none of whom seems very familiar with the Marvel Universe or even who is and who isn't a published writer in comics (i.e. Me. I'm not asking a lot, but when we've got an appointment, I expect an exec to have at least done some research - it's not like I'm shy about myself online). In addition to the full issue script which I had sent them two weeks prior to my arrival (and which they hadn't read even though they knew I was coming in -- another Hollywood no-no), I was pitching concepts and books fast and furious and got a lot of glassy-eyed stares when I mentioned minor-league Marvel Heroes in desperate need of Ultimization. As a meeting, it was rather disheartening.

I'd also like to point out that the book I was pitching them was an unabashed Westlake-esque comedy and the feeling I got was that irregardless of whatever it might say in Marville #7, they are NOT looking for comedy, comedic interpretations of the Marvel Universe, or anything remotely funny.

They also went On and On about the need to turn everything around for TV and Features, which, again depressed me because (a) what makes a good comic and what makes a good movie/tv show are NOT necessarily the same thing, and (b) they nimbly dodged ALL of my questions about "so what if I create a new character for you that you turn into a Spider-Man sized film deal, what kind of money do I see for that?" I consider that to be highly shiver-inducing, especially after my exciting adventures in getting ripped off as an Animation writer.

If you're not already in the door by this point, I really think that those of you who are looking to pitch to EPIC are truly wasting their time... unless you happen to be a comics website writer and Marvel feels that they can exploit you for some free publicity. (ooh, did I say that out loud? Naughty me! Yet, I do find it highly curious that almost all of the books that are rumored thus far excepting for White Light and Millar's book are written by Comics "Journalists" -- one wonders if these "Journalists" understand what a conflict of interest is.)

Feh. I'm probably just tired.

Come to think of it, worst case scenario is that you spend a few weeks molding a script for a book that will never get read... you still get a sample piece and the experience of having sat down and written something out of it. So go ahead. Maybe the fat kid with the smiley face on his shirt will pull YOUR messily scrawled rant out of the in-box ("Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach" - GENIUS! -- oh, and if you don't get that reference, you're probably exactly what they're looking for).

This gives me another conspiracy theory, though: one of the side-effects of this EPIC plan is that some 2000+ hopefuls will probably turn these scripts around and fill them with non-Marvel characters and flood DC, Dark Horse, Oni and Larry Young with unwanted books which will bog down their entire editorial staff to the point where no one can do their jobs. Hmmmm...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:31 / 09.06.03
just read the Micah Wright rant on Rich Johnston's column. does this make anyone reconsider pitching? it sures makes me wonder if it's worth.

a lot.
 
 
eeoam
17:43 / 09.06.03
I've got to admit I'm seriously evaluating. I just don't think they're serious about this. The more I think about it, the more it seems like a mean-spirited joke they're playing on people.
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:47 / 09.06.03
Well, I already sent in my submission. Lets see how it all plays out.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:10 / 09.06.03
I think this piece getting published might force Marvel to clean up its act or be totally humiliated. We'll see...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:52 / 09.06.03
A good thread these days is hard to find...........

but this one's good.

can I use it for a script

about pitching to epic?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:01 / 16.06.03
And you all laughed about my AIM idea!!!

Read all about an apparently great AIM idea in this week's Lying in the Gutters at www.comicbookresources.com:

>> AIM FIRE

Gutterati Sway notes that Micah Wright has been posting about his Epic submission, "Joe Aim." After a highly entertaining plot-history of Advanced Idea Mechanics, Wright laid out his pitch, including visuals by Rick Remender.

But here's my favourite bit:

"Yeah, I can totally see why they couldn't be bothered to read this. How Weak this would be! I mean, I only had Garth Ennis in stitches at a bar in NYC telling him pieces of the story (like my favorite section where Joe tries to get his wife to breastfeed the new Modok baby which has decided that Joe is its Father and won't let anyone else near it without blasting them dead with Mental Rays)."

there are links to the full text of his pitch and some sample art but I don't have time to paste 'em right now, I'm at a temp. job where they're looking over my shoulder a lot to make sure I'm not on the Net goofing about, even though I'm caught up with all my work, those bastards
 
 
some guy
17:32 / 16.06.03
I love the fact that it never enters Micah Wright's head that his AIM proposal might just be a bit shite. What a boob.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:58 / 16.06.03
Doesn't seem to have ocurred to anyone here that their pitches might be "a bit shite," either, Lorenzo.

Nor should it have.

It's a very useful defense mechanism for creative people to call upon. You've got to believe in the genius of your own ideas—otherwise you'd never submit anything.
 
 
some guy
22:08 / 16.06.03
Fair enough. But there's a point where it's a little silly. Wright talks like he's Alan Moore. Unless I'm wrong, doesn't he just have a few mediocre Stormwatch issues to his name? I see what you're getting at, but on the other hand I'd still laugh if Bob Saget demanded to be treated like Ian McKellan...
 
 
Sax
13:50 / 30.06.03
Not sure if anyone's still in the slightest bit arsed about all this, but if you are you might find this forum run by Epic editor Stephanie Moore interesting>
 
 
rakehell
05:08 / 01.07.03
I find the fact that they've only had 500 written submissions and 100 art ones pretty interesting.
 
 
Sax
06:23 / 01.07.03
Has anyone here heard back yet? Has, indeed, anyone here bothered to submit after all the kerfuffle?
 
 
_Boboss
07:12 / 01.07.03
My devil dinosaur/moon boy strip's all ready to go, beat-sheeted [sounds dirty that] to nine issues. Haven't sent it off yet, as i'm waiting for some feedback from the twins [any day now'd be good fellers]. 500 subs, loads from uk and eire well there you go. i dunno. i'm not optimistic or anything, but i reckon my story's not that bad and i've avoided all the 'donts' that ms moore talks about over there, so we'll see.
 
 
Spaniel
07:53 / 01.07.03
Gonna come over later. Prepare.

Writing a Drac Pack pitch.
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:59 / 01.07.03
I have submitted but haven't heard back. I honestly think it's too soon though, maybe by the end of july, these things take a few months.
 
 
Matt Maxwell
14:52 / 01.07.03
I'm astonished at the 500/100 submissions numbers. That seems far, far too low. Either that or a lot of folks chickened out. I've heard quotes of submissions running four times that, and that was a few weeks ago, but there's no way to independently verify either side of things.

Some folks have been getting rejection letters back (on Marvel stationery, which makes me wonder why they wanted an SASE included) so it seems as if the scripts are being processed.

I'm very interested to see what the second batch of Epic books is going to be, assuming that they'll be drawn from the submissions they received post-Marville #7.
 
 
Ignatz_Mouse
08:52 / 02.07.03
Right, is everyone going to write bloody Doctor Strange? Bugger. I'll go ahead and write my pitch anyway, as it will be good writing practice, but damn. I suppose I've buggered around with the character enough that I could re write it as something else if Marvel shoots it down. It involved Strange in a giant Alan Moore beard too...
 
  

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