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Pitching to Epic

 
  

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rakehell
01:32 / 03.07.03
A lot of the stuff coming from that discussion thread is pretty unsurprising and obvious. Questions asked by people who don't really write and are getting confused by terms like "structure".

That said, this little tid-bit from Stephanie Moore is really interesting.

"This is actually a good place to mention a recent development for EPIC: the creator-owned option may no longer be available to EPIC creators. This question is being discussed at levels in the company much higher than myself and to the best of my knowledge, nothing concrete has been settled at this point. But what may happen is that creators may instead have the option to sign a New Character agreement, which gives the creator financial participation in the character while still giving ownership of the property to Marvel.

This should not stop you from sending in non-Marvel submissions, however. Just don't sign the Writer's Work-Made-For-Hire contract along with your submission. If the submission is accepted, we will either offer you a Creator-Owned contract or a Work-Made-For-Hire contract and New Character agreement. If you're not happy with the contract we offer you, you would still have the right to withdraw your story from us and take it somewhere else."
 
 
Sax
14:37 / 07.07.03
Someone must have had a rejection letter by now. They appear to be getting them by the bucketload over at X-Fan.
 
 
_Boboss
20:09 / 07.07.03
yeah that's xfan tho aint it, be a fucking shock if they were getting acceptance letters

ooh bitchy
 
 
Dave Philpott
02:56 / 09.07.03
Yes, I got a fucking rejection letter.

It starts: "Dear Writer..."

Now before I go into this any further, I should say that I have published comic work out there. Nothing pro or major, but I've been writing for the past twelve years or so. Continuing:

"Thank you for submitting your comic story blah, blah, etc. You have a rich imagination, but your skills in structuring and executing a story need developing before you're ready to write for comics."

Hmm. Before I'm ready to write for comics.

"To get a better idea of what EPIC is looking for in a story, ask your comics retailer for a copy of MARVILLE #7..."

Ohh, okay. I get it now.

See, what pissed me off about this letter is the whole, "Come along, lad, keep at it and one day you'll be a writer!" routine. Fuck that. I've had work (not comic-related) published internationally and translated in Italian, German, and Japanese, so don't tell me I can't write. Everyone I've showed the script and the letter to agrees that they probably didn't read the script.

Anybody else get a form letter rejection?
 
 
Dave Philpott
02:59 / 09.07.03
And yes, I know that second-to-last sentence should read "Everyone I showed" or "Everyone I've shown". Damn, maybe I'm not ready to write comics yet.
 
 
Sax
06:01 / 09.07.03
From what I can gather at the X-Geek site, there are about four or five different form rejection letters kicking around, none of them seeming particularly helpful or encouraging.

Stephanie Moore said that there were "three or four" submissions on the "possibles" pile out of 500+. I wouldn't feel too aggrieved, Dave. I can't imagine anyone getting taken on by Epic, to be honest.

Wouldn't it be interesting if an experienced and well-respected big name comics writer decided to submit a pitch under a nom de plume to see what happened..?

Out of interest, Dave, care to share what your pitch was about?
 
 
Sax
06:03 / 09.07.03
Oh, and what was the turnaround time?
 
 
Spaniel
08:42 / 09.07.03
The problem with form letters is that they only offer a narrow bandwidth of critical opinion. Inevitably there will be rejected submissions that don't fit any of the letters in a significant way. In these instances the editorial staff will simply be forced to respond with the closest fit.

I think a huge problem here has to be the question of entertainment. You could spend your whole life structuring the perfect plot, the most finely tuned dialogue, and still come up with a crap story.

I suspect that the majority of Epic wannabes are far too fragile to cope with a letter a long the lines of: "Your story is basically crap - it's bloody boring!"

You know, the kind I've received in the past.
 
 
Dave Philpott
03:17 / 10.07.03
Turn around time - less than a month.

The pitch was a one-shot story, written when the initial guidelines called for a single, twenty-two page comic script. It was a Man-Wolf story, only updated to rid him of those silly fucking boots and laser gun and what-ever crap they saddled him with. Without burdening you with the full treatment, it was based on "The Most Dangerous Game", where men hunted Man-Wolf on a game preserve, without really knowing what he was. One of the men, the one who owned the preserve, had a gallery of taxidermied were-wolves in his house, and he wanted to make this big, white were-wolf the main piece. And they went out, loaded with silver bullets and silver frag-grenades, and in the end they can't kill him with silver, because he's more than a were-wolf, he's a god in the Other Realm (don't know anything about what all that means, but it's in the Marvel Guide to the Universe.) The guy, Lucas Garnier, actually causes more of the men to die than Man-Wolf. It was a nice, tidy script, and admittedly should have been pitched as a three- to six-part story (for typical Marvel story-telling, though they said they didn't want that, didn't they?).

Nothing symbolic or fractal or supercontextual or representative of a grander vision; just a simple story about men hunting a monster, who isn't quite as monstrous as the men hunting it.

I wanted to re-vamp the idea and pitch a story-arc with a revised origin and the whole shit, but I've read and heard too much that says EPIC's all crap and a pipe-dream. So. Perhaps I'll try Digital Webbing Presents, at least there I know I know what the whore looks like, what she charges, and where I'll stand when it's done.

Is it too late to tell Cameron that we tried, got fucked, and bow to his insight now?
 
 
Dave Philpott
03:25 / 10.07.03
And Bobossboy, I agree about the fragility of writers, or all creative types for all that. But isn't it frustrating to read some of the really horrible shit that comes from the pro's, only to be told you aren't even up to THAT?

(Did I really type "I know I know" on that third to the last line up there? Christ, I'll never be a writer, I'll NEVER be a writer!)
 
 
Spaniel
08:36 / 10.07.03
Still trying me. No skin off my nose.

Oh, by the way, Phil. My last post wasn't referencing your writing skills.
 
 
Spaniel
08:44 / 10.07.03
I agree about the fragility of writers

Wasn't referring to writers in general, just a large proportion of the wannabes submitting to Epic.

As far as I can tell, Epic form letters are bloody tame compared with some of the shit I, and my friends, have received.
 
 
finger n' thump
10:48 / 10.07.03
YEAH BUT YOU DESERVED IT.

AND NO CUNT NEED BOW TO CAMERON.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BLOW HIM.

BAD LUCK DAVE. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.
 
 
Sax
12:45 / 26.09.03
*blows dust off thread*

Well, then. Anyone try this? I'll go first.

Sent a script for a Union Jack pitch on July 1. Got a letter back about a week ago, one of the form rejections saying I should take another look at dialogue and story structure and resubmit.

Will I? Maybe. It was an interesting exercise, but having flicked through the Epic titles that are out I'm not sure I'm cut out for that sort of thing, really.

Anyone else bothered?
 
 
sleazenation
13:00 / 26.09.03
how do you mean not cut out for it?
 
 
Sax
13:10 / 26.09.03
We-e-ll... Epic in particular and Marvel in general seems to be concentrating on teen-friendly books at the moment. Not that hasn't always been the case and not that it's a bad thing, quite the opposite. But I don't think I could write something like, say, Crimson Dynamo because it's too yoof-centric. I pitched something that was more akin to a Vertigo series, probably. Not that this would be the reason they rejected it... it was probably just shite.
 
 
MojoJojo
15:07 / 26.09.03
Sent my artwork at around mid-June and never even got a reply.

I could email them about it, but the more I think about it, the more I'd rather start off working for the smaller companies.
 
 
MojoJojo
15:09 / 26.09.03
...they were shit samples anyways.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:45 / 27.09.03
That gold ticket probably makes the chocolate taste funny anyway.
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:46 / 27.09.03
Damn, I sent mine script in June and I'm still existing, much like the Schödinger's cat up in the air. I need to get that yay or nay, already!
 
  

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