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Mark Millar from another perspective.

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
22:29 / 29.01.03
Once we were Gary, Once we were Steve.

Now we must believe.

Toksik, I believe in you. I believe in you.

So, is anybody seriously considering boycotting Millar for this? I'm thinking that it looks like we accept that our comics writers are probably not all that....experienced in certain areas, and since those areas tend to have little relevance to the creation of their art (qv Northstar. Ah, dear Northstar), we have to accept that, just as our favourite band may not be overequipped to discuss Edward Said, comics writers should not be expected not to sound a bit dim when they aren't talking about warninjas.

Gay warninjas.

Oh yes.

Believe in gayninjas.
 
 
some guy
22:52 / 29.01.03
Believe in gayninjas

Aren't ninja just a Japanese cultural myth? And weren't the samurai often gay anyway?

Can this thread get any worse?
 
 
rakehell
22:54 / 29.01.03
I've been retroactively boycotting Millar for the last couple of years.

Can I get some sort of prize? Preferably something sweet.

Also: Aparrantly e.e. cummings hated the lack of capitalisation in his name and protested against it. Obviously with no effect.
 
 
Graeme McMillan
23:14 / 29.01.03
"So, is anybody seriously considering boycotting Millar for this?"

I doubt it. Although it'd be funny if everyone did.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:24 / 29.01.03
Does this Ninja look GAY to you!?!?!?

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:18 / 30.01.03
Honestly, Lawrence. Who teaches you Japanese history?

The ninja were very real. Unfortunately, they were also very shit. There is no record of a ninja actually succeeding in assassinating a major Japanese warlord. The closest they got was when a ninja shot a cannon at one, killing seven of his companions.

A cannon.

Pirates and ninjas, on my keyboard, why oh why can't we?

Believe in YTS ninjas.
 
 
some guy
01:04 / 30.01.03
Honestly, Lawrence. Who teaches you Japanese history?

Nobody. Which is why I asked. Duh. I read somewhere that there was no convincing record of ninja in Japan prior to the first world war - that it was a cultural myth to help prop up morale. Like Paul Bunyon or something. I have no idea if this is true. You can come off that horse now, by the way. I'll get you a ladder.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
03:22 / 30.01.03
There might not be any such thing as ninjas? Well, phew. Finally I can take that trip to Japan. I've seen the way ninjas treat our Hollywood stars, (our van Dammes, Stallones, Willis', Segals)and I'm not risk evisceration just to try some real sushi. I know I'd be riding a motorcycle down a dark street, find myself at a dead end, look up, and find myself being descended upon my a dozen of the bastards, dressed in black and armed to the teeth.

Anyone else share my fears?

(toksik i think you are swell)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:26 / 30.01.03
Oh, Lawrence, I was only funning. Think of it in the same voice as "where did *you* get your quantum physics from? The back of a cereal box", or, of course, "Hey, starfish baby, where do you keep your nipples? In your pockets?" Honestly, everyone's so huffy at the moment. It's a good thing I believe, really. I believe fit to beat the band.

There's a brief history of ninjing here. Although it leaves out the greatest ninja of them all, the ballet-dancer-cum-ninja who came from the north and terrorised Edo. Ninjinsky. Oh yes.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:49 / 30.01.03
anyone who doubts the veracity of the ninja have obviously not encountered the cinematic masterpiece,

Mafia versus Ninja.

Better than The Matrix.

(I once bluffed a 'sensible' friend of mine into letting me watch this film on his video by pretending I was bringing round, 'Imagine' - the lennon biog. You may have to employ similar cunning (only if your video-less o’course))
 
 
The Natural Way
08:30 / 30.01.03
And did he watch it?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:47 / 30.01.03
oh yes.

and like all those naysayers before him, he loved it.
 
 
Char Aina
20:55 / 30.01.03
yawn, man, you live 'aus schottland', yeah?
is there any way we could exchange crisp, nondescript, manilla envelopes in town some place?
in a way which might end with my seeing aforementioned movie?

perhaps a dead drop would be best, so we can both remain anonymous...

obviously the contents of my envelope would have to be arranged.


come alone, unarmed and all that.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:18 / 30.01.03
Ethan...

don't be fooled by all the Ninja disinformation being handed out here... I have it on very good authority that there's a very rich secret history involving Ninja...
 
 
Chill
12:40 / 31.01.03
although I in no way support thread rot - if you really want to learn more about ninjas there are better places than The Official Ninja Webpage.
 
 
sleazenation
12:42 / 31.01.03
So, with its current ninja slant is it not time for this topic to slide to the conversation?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:58 / 31.01.03
I think that's a very good idea. Regrettably, since there are not enough comics mods to delete a post, it'll take *forever* to get one moved.

Meanwhile, has anyone considered that Marc Millar may have had a difficult and ultimately sundered relationship with the ultralove ninja? That would explain everything...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:27 / 31.01.03
Rock! That was, like, ninja speed.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:07 / 31.01.03
At the risk of heading back on topic and stirring up da shit again: this week Mark calls Daredevil's costume "gay" and fantasizes about shagging the "eighties-style fuck-me shoes" off of "designated Oval Office hottie" Condoleeza Rice, and not just for the "novelty factor" of scoring with a "black chick."

Also, he admits to reading everything written about him on the Internet.

Hi, Mark. You blithering chowderhead.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:21 / 31.01.03
Black women are virtually non-existent in Scotland (I've honestly never seen a black chick in real life over here) so there's the novelty aspect, of course

Of course.
 
 
that
15:26 / 31.01.03
"To any white supremacists reading this column, Scotland is probably your idea of Heaven on Earth. To any black people reading this column, come to Scotland because you'll be treated like an A-list celebrity (but watch out for those vacationing white supremacists)."

Oh I don't know, I think he's just hilarious. Jeezy Chreezy, as Eddie Izzard would say.
 
 
Char Aina
17:04 / 31.01.03
i thought that was funny, i mean, he is being observational, correctly so, and saying something that is nt really hateworthy or even hatefilled.

what is the problem?

is it because he is talking about things he shouldnt be able to, if he were properly saddled with white anglo saxon heterosexual guilt?


why are we hating mr millar for all the wrong reasons, when really we should all be going on about the way he talks, with that irritating question style? where every sentence goes up? as if needing confirmation? like he's nervous, or maybe stoned? or both?
 
 
Badbh Catha
17:10 / 31.01.03
'Cos it's bollocks?

I don't know what part of fucking Scotland he lives in, but...the country's a bit more fucking diverse than he's putting it out to be.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:11 / 31.01.03
Well, he's not Anglo-Saxon, is he? Too short, for one thing. God, I hate that lazy assumption that all white people are Anglo-Saxon....I bet you think we all have Lexuses as well, eh?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:16 / 31.01.03
Well, if he lived in the Hebrides, or the Highlands, he'd have a point. Even in the cities, it's not exactly London...see the "Hate Speech or Diminutive" thread for more on race in Scotland. It's more the idea that, as a black woman, Condoleeza Rice would have "novelty value" that squicks me. And, for that matter, that he and his late-thirties/early-forties mates are talking about how much they'd like to feed Kel;ly Osbourne their meat eclairs.

But, as said, it's no more depressing or hideous than the thoughts of a lot of not exceptionally bright people worldwide...
 
 
that
17:32 / 31.01.03
I just don't happen to think white supremacist jokes are funny or tasteful. Perhaps there's something wrong with me.
 
 
that
17:37 / 31.01.03
But yes, a lot of the other stuff is worse...and as Haus says, it's depressingly common.

Returning to an earlier point, I'm also not sure that homophobes are always as quiet about their feelings as racists often are in this society. Someone not so far from me, for one, would tend not to make racist comments, but homosexuality makes him oh so uneasy. "Tolerance is not the same as acceptance".
 
 
Ganesh
18:02 / 31.01.03
Mmm. Certainly, in Edinburgh, one couldn't get into the A-list hang-outs without blacking up...
 
 
Graeme McMillan
19:02 / 31.01.03
Meanwhile, over at Millarworld...

Me:
"Like I said, I come from a country where there's no real sense of racism or even INTEREST in race relations because everyone's pretty much just one race of people."

There's no racism in Scotland?

What Scotland do you live in, Mark?


Mark Millar:
The one the European community praised last uear for having the best race relations record in the EU, the lowest percentage of race-related crime and, proportionally, the smallest amount of racial discrimination in the work-place. Even strains with (mostly white) asylum seekers after a tabloid press frenzy from down south allowed us to maintain this admirable record.

Now enough trolling, Smile. I'm really getting bored with your continual baiting and eagerness to cause trouble. Maybe it's how you get your kicks and, if so, that's a shame, but I don't really want caught up in this so please don't direct any further stupid questions at me. I don't like banning people because it's sometimes all people want, but just behave courteously when you're a guest on my site.


Another poster:
I have to agree here, Scotland can be horribly racist and not just against the English. I've seen a fair amount of BNP graffitti around. Perhaps we are better at hiding our attitudes behind geniality, but believe me, there are some very venomous individuals out there.

I think you're being very naive, Mark if you think that racism is marginal in Scotland.


MM:
Will, I can only go on what I see around me and the official figures. I don't think we're especially liberal. I just think the numbers of people from other cultures and countries living here is so small that they don't get the blame for our problems.

Meanwhile, I PM Mark and say that I'd like to know his definition of trolling, as I thought the thread of banning was more to do with my lack of toeing the company line. I added that I'd stop posting if it causes him so much stress (This is tied into a joke about me saying that I'd shut up forever if he answered what makes DC worse than Marvel, in terms of heavy-handed editing - Mark's answer, essentially, is that it's okay to piss on the creator if their work isn't selling well, but because The Authority was selling well, it should have been left well alone. Editorial standards and principles be damned!). Mark then posts on the thread:

FYI, just had a PM from Smile saying he's left the boards. It's something he surprised me by suggesting (if I answered his questions) and the decision is his. He certainly wasn't banned, but I think it's a cool thing to admit you'd rather go than stay around and try to provoke others. Best of luck to him.

Thing is: I can't even log into the board to check PMs there anymore. And if you go to the thread in question, what's that written underneath my ID? Oh, that's right: "Banned".

Just in case I changed my mind.
 
 
Graeme McMillan
19:04 / 31.01.03
Mumble gripe moan.
 
 
kid coagulant
19:19 / 31.01.03
That's hilarious!
 
 
Char Aina
19:33 / 31.01.03
so a black woman in scotland having novelty value is racist?
and a blond girl in japan?
and a white boy getting all the ladies talking to him in zambia?(which happened to me at almost every nightclub that i went to)


i think that if you want to have a lasting relationship, it would be a terrible reason to try to base it on. but for a shag? or in fact, lets be honest here, a joke?

we ARE different. that has consequences.

am i a racist for finding chinese girls generally more attractive than japanese, and my friend (he's malaysian) for liking the japanese more than the chinese look?

is it wrong to want to shag a bloke for the novelty factor? and how about an old person? (and lets just stop anyone before they start by saying kids are obviously off limits.)

seriously, get the fuck over it.
if you are really that offended, how on earth do you actually talk to people in the real world? are you constantly judging them, and finding their political correctness wanting?
 
 
Badbh Catha
19:50 / 31.01.03
seriously, get the fuck over it.

Seriously? Grow up. This is a bulletin board, not a schoolyard.

if you are really that offended, how on earth do you actually talk to people in the real world? are you constantly judging them, and finding their political correctness wanting?

No. I treat people as people, because we're all fucking human – no matter where we come from or what we look like. For the most part, I give people as much respect as they give me, and I try my damndest to be open-minded.

It's not difficult. Try it sometime.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:37 / 31.01.03
Look, Toxie. We get it. You don't like political correctness. You're not sure why, but you have a vague feeling that Political Correctness wants to stifle your freedom of speech. Of course, the only person who seems to have challenged anyone's *right* to say anything in this thread is you. Nobody is trying to *censor* Mark Millar, only to suggest that the way he expresses himself is a bit dim. Yo, on the other hand, don't seem to be able to cope with people disagreeing with you, or behaving in a way you don't approve of. You don't quite know why they're wrong, but you certainly know they are. And *they* know they are, too, deep down. They're just being difficult. So you feel entitled to shout insults at them, which is lucky because you don't really have another way to disagree.

You've never actually quite worked out what the tenets of "Political Correctness" are. But you know that they are bad. You've never met anyone who subscribes to the ideology of Political Correctness, or who has described themselves as Politically Correct. In fact, they only context you have ever encountered the term in everyday usage was when somebody in the pub makes a joke about Pakistanis or Homosexuals, then smirks a little and says "oooh, that wasn't very politically correct, was it? Watch out, the PC police are about". You've never actually seen the PC Police, but you know that they are all over the place.

You haven't read anything about Political Correctness, because you already know about it. Sometimes, this makes you sound silly, for example when you talk about White Anglo-Saxon Heterosexual guilt, because you have heard the phrase White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, and using more words makes you look more intelligent, and harder to disagree with. Sometimes people seem to be laughing at you, and you don't know why. This makes you angry, because you are clearly cleverer than they are, and they just recite what they read in their Politically Correct books. You're not quite sure what constitutes a Politically Correct book, but you certainly know what people who read them sound like.

Now, since you are all clever and everything, and since we mean so little to you, I'm sure you can engage in this in a way that doesn't involve trying to shout people down. Shouting people down doesn't work on the Internet. There are techniques that resemble it, but they will just, over time, get you first ignored and finally banned.

So, please defeat these shadowy hordes of Political correctness Gone Mad with something resembling a coherent argument, or just leave it. You could begin by explaining in what sense exactly Condoleeza Rice is "in Scotland".
 
 
Char Aina
20:57 / 31.01.03
seriously, get the fuck over it.

Seriously? Grow up. This is a bulletin board, not a schoolyard.



in what way is that school yard?
i really would like to know, no sarky ulterior intent.
 
  

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