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Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:30 / 08.04.07
This gem from Epop:

believe me, there aren't many people like me around.

If there were, this would would be a much better place.
 
 
This Sunday
22:39 / 08.04.07
I missed that one. That's gold, that is.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:05 / 08.04.07
On so many levels.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:16 / 08.04.07
Now now, we cant all be perfect. (that's my job)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:21 / 08.04.07
You must don't understand, Keggers. I've lived this stuff.

I'm not going to give you the details of my life.

But I have lived it.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:31 / 08.04.07
But I want the details.
In either point form or Iambic Pentameter, preferably both.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:04 / 09.04.07
Epop again:

Similarly, choosing to laugh at Andrew Dworkin's notions about penetration and gender... I think is the right of any sentient being.

Ah, Andrew Dworkin.
 
 
Triplets
00:46 / 09.04.07
The 22nd century's greatest philosopher.
 
 
This Sunday
01:09 / 09.04.07
Talks to Strangers/Mordant, on Epop:

Oh, and he's a fucking shit magician. I know you can't ban people for that but I just had to mention it.

After all the 'telling it like it is' excuses... so is it told.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
10:55 / 09.04.07
believe me etc...

Oh. Oh dear.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:21 / 09.04.07
We shouldn't carry on, but at least a beautiful flower has emerged:

I don't think Barbelith has ever been free of ideology—if anyone ever claimed that, it must have been in the innocent days when you could say things like "Break out of your limiting reality tunnels!" and have some people cheer and most of the rest just smile in amused tolerance. For whatever reason, what we have here is primarily a group of people who believe in the equality of people of different sexes and genders, the equality of people of various racial identities and backgrounds, and the need for empirical evidence to back up claims of empirical fact. Crazy as it may sound, those are the kind of books our audience reads, so those are the kind of books we're selling*. Don't come in here and try to sell The Bell Curve, The Naked Ape, or the Truth About the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: We're not stocking it. Open a bookstore of your own—I think there's a domain-name for lease next door.

Herein lies the fundamental difference between banning someone's books (i.e. making their publication, sale, and/or possession illegal by an act of government) and telling someone to go away and stop shouting rude things on your lawn. Barbelith is not a government, it is the Internet home of the people who contribute. We are not, nor do we need to be, dedicated to "freedom of speech" of the sort that holds that freedom of speech means that I am allowed to say anything I want and other people's responses to me amount to censorship. There are many other places on the Internet for that. Freedom of speech means, in part, freedom to accept responsibility for the consequences of your speech. If your speech causes harm to a number of people, it's likely that one of the consequences will be that you are told to go speak elsewhere, where you will not be harming the people who speak here. The one kind of banning and the other kind of banning share a name, but they're different situations.


id entity speaks sense.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:30 / 09.04.07
Strong truth.
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:34 / 09.04.07
Daaamn. That should be on the wikki.
 
 
*
15:36 / 09.04.07
Aw. Thanks.
 
 
Spaniel
16:56 / 09.04.07
Yeah, after reading Furioso's post I wanted to respond with something along those lines, I suspect, however, that it wouldn't have been half as articulate or eloquent.

That's really final word stuff. It should indeed be on the wiki.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:01 / 09.04.07
Wiki yes! It should probably also be somewhere that people actually read, though. Maybe a reversed facial tattoo on various posters, so they read it every morning.
 
 
*
18:24 / 09.04.07
Mistoffelees: Wondering about spider plants, I was only one click away from a philosophy with erotic elements, which has its roots in science fiction novels!

XK: I wonder if this is what happened to Tom Cruise?

Brilliant! Let this be a lesson to you... careless wondering about spider plants may imperil your immortal soul.
 
 
The Falcon
18:48 / 09.04.07
Epop won't stop hurtin' em:

The fact that it's a big deal for me to stand up and say "I've punched holes in three or four major world issues" - not *solve* - but made really significant, palpable and generally attested contributions is not that big a deal.

It's a fact, you see, which he deals exclusively in and one which is simultaneously a big deal and not a big deal. That's big magickx right thurr. I'm on fucking tenterhooks to see these holepunches, as well as his personal reassembly skills of course, attested to.
 
 
Spaniel
18:58 / 09.04.07
Lol
 
 
Ticker
19:08 / 09.04.07
Boboss makes me laugh:

Ah, commonsense been invoked. XK, time to back down, you're just going to make yourself look foolish - this guy's just brought out the big guns.
 
 
Quantum
23:20 / 09.04.07
At rest, ze's a complicated platonic solid stellation of similar lines.

Sibelian describes my screen name. *crush*
 
 
Quantum
03:17 / 10.04.07
...a magical practice which peels the paint off nearby buildings.

Epop's magical practice is like a really really bad fart.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:51 / 10.04.07
many ravishing idperfections, in the Epop banning thread:

If you're not up to date with the literature, don't bother trying to teach the course.

I'm definitely stealing that to use, and I'm not even a college lecturer.
 
 
This Sunday
04:57 / 10.04.07
I've a list of people, past, present, and probably future I'm going to have to restrain myself from throwing that one at.

And it'll keep me on my toes, becaue otherwise, I'll think of the quote, of Barbelith, and the students... and feel ashamed, even if I'm not caught.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
05:14 / 10.04.07
I still think snarky responses to trolling activity amounts to feeding the trolls, but for fucks sake, 5 pages in the policy? This isn't the death penalty people, we aren't going to find out in a month that the guy wasn't being an ass and feel bad about it.

Elijah. Barbannoy. Valid.

Should we be worried about the fact that this shitstorm has generated so many pearls of wisdom and brilliant zings from the, y'know, people who contribute stuff round here?
 
 
penitentvandal
06:36 / 10.04.07
Nah, it's the alchemical thing, isn't it? Gold from shit. Or something like that. I don't know though, apparently I'm not that good of a magician. I'm just 'special.'
 
 
penitentvandal
18:36 / 10.04.07
But then again, Barbelith is not the Barbelith Arms. And, in a sense, thank Grantness for that. Can you imagine the customers the name would attract? Can you imagine just how un-fun a pub populated by Chaos Magickians, Meme Terrorists, and Danny the Street Otakin might be? You wouldn't be in the door five minutes before someone was showing you the Tarot pack they'd devised, based entirely on camera phone photographs of Banksy grafitti and upskirt shots of Lindsay Lohan.

Fable of the Bees sums up exactly why one will never find a pint of lager (and a fruit-based drink for the lady) waiting for one when one comes home from a long day at work and enters Barbelith.
 
 
penitentvandal
18:44 / 10.04.07
1. Jesus, some people are offended by anything!
2. Haha! You can say what you want about me, I don't care!
3. I'm now going to keep on telling you how much I don't care.
4. Fine, fucking ban me then


E Randy Dupre takes a Reduced Shakespeare approach to barbetrolling.
 
 
Triplets
12:33 / 12.04.07
I want Marvel insanity: talking planets, alternate dimensions, men with gorilla heads. All this police state wankery is getting on my tits.

furioso gets furiosorious over in Comics.
 
 
Papess
16:46 / 12.04.07
Haus, from 2003:

Sadly, that does not contain the greatest ever sex scene, which features the phrase "her hips flapped spasmodically". Yes. Like the wings of a scary vulva bat.

That had me in stitches.
 
 
Quantum
17:12 / 12.04.07
From the very same post

I love books, but darn it I love my anus more.

So great taken out of context.
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:46 / 12.04.07
from barbanoy

ABOUT 25 PEOPLE USE THIS SITE said;

Wasn't Grant Morrison banned for trolling?

made me chuckle : )
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:56 / 12.04.07
Wow, I got quoted. That hasn't happened in over 30 pages.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:50 / 14.04.07
the whole forum becomes a bag of wank

Apophenia single-handledly redefines the Temple.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:31 / 14.04.07
"history repeats itself, the first time as farce, the second as 70s ITV sit coms":

It's funny because it's true.
 
  

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