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Battlestar Galactica: Razor + Season 4 (SPOILERS)

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Our Lady Has Left the Building

07:45 / 27.04.08

Well, that was an improvement, so much to love. The scenes between Michael Hogan, Tricia Helfer and Kate Vernon in Six's cell were very well done. And everything that James Callis does in this episode was brilliant, although the standing ovation he got at the end was rather lame. The way everyone is able to act from sincerity rather than plotting for some purpose and come into conflict with one another is wonderful when it happens.

So, I suspect that Tyrrel may be the first of the Four who is likely to break, and whether Torrie will be willing to kill him like she did his wife in order to keep the secret? We'll see.

09:48 / 27.04.08

The sad excitement in Hogan's face as he saw his dead wife was fantastic.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:02 / 27.04.08

And everything that James Callis does in this episode was brilliant, although the standing ovation he got at the end was rather lame.

Ah, but remember that BSG is merely a delivery system for footage of people giving standing ovations. Particularly when there's an Adama involved.

Keith, like a scientist

01:51 / 28.04.08

The sad excitement in Hogan's face as he saw his dead wife was fantastic.

Every scene with Hogan since they took out his eye has been unbelievable. Giving him an injury like that pumped some kind of insane desperate energy into his acting that's continually astounded me.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

07:11 / 05.05.08

Well, other than the fact that Tyrrel is rocking the Private Pyle look now we didn't really get anything out of that episode, other than the return of the idea that you can reach deep spiritual truths through mental abuse and torture, again. Why don't the writers just have Starbuck marrying Leoben and having little hybrid babies already?

11:23 / 05.05.08

the idea that you can reach deep spiritual truths through mental abuse and torture

We Catholics call that "mortification". But we pefer it to be voluntary and self-imposed.

22:09 / 11.05.08

Well I kinda thought the latest one was pretty fantastic innit.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

23:36 / 11.05.08

What, really? I was left pretty blah by the latest episode, and the Accomplice felt like he'd rather just skip to the end of the season, when important things will actually happen.

Sam shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, ever. If he has a gun, he will shoot someone for no apparent reason. I know, I know, tense situation, but I think I've come into this zone of boredom connected to "Characters doing bizarre things because of borderline sleep-deprivation, emotional distress, and tense situations." I would have preferred a more Roslin-focused episode with flashbacks to pre-genocide times with her mother. Particularly as it sets up quite clearly what her career motivations were in the first place -- and would counterpoint all those father/son themes going on with the Adama camp since the beginning.

Adama and Roslin still haven't made out yet.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

04:44 / 12.05.08

Papers, anyone, anywhere? Sam shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, ever. If he has a gun, he will shoot someone for no apparent reason.

What do you mean? A Six had just beaten a human to death, I think he was justified. Of course, when Tory finds out that the Three can supposedly identify the Final Five she'll be flipping out and trying to destroy the Base Star.

Of course, the alternative is that the Cylons' plan to destroy the Colonials this season is by surrendering to them one or two at a time until Galactica is full of surrendering skinjobs.

Baldcap Roslin!

17:13 / 12.05.08

What do you mean? A Six had just beaten a human to death, I think he was justified.

Maybe he meant him shooting Gaeta in the leg?

18:02 / 12.05.08

I did enjoy the half-destroyed basestar look, specially the icky skinless muscle of its interior.

Not that I don't like the way this show went, but I do miss some old-fashioned space dogfight.

May we should start a poll on who is the Last Cylon. My five pounds are on Gaeta, simply because he's the character with the least background and screen time. Where is Dee this season, btw?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

18:23 / 12.05.08

Yes, I meant the thing with Gaeta's leg. Which led to lots of random footage of delirious Gaeta and concern-jawed Helo. Having Sam in a scene these days feels like the writers deciding to play Russian Roulette. Who's going to have a life-threatening injury?

I did like that the only way to get information out of the Hybrid was through blood sacrifice. That felt like a better move in terms of the dubious religious coding -- it feels, to me at least, that BSG's religious stance is more interesting to watch when it veers into muddy, dirty, cthonic waters...rather than tiresome retreads of the One God/Many Gods argument that I could get out of Things Fall Apart with a degree more satisfaction.

Keith, like a scientist

18:49 / 12.05.08

Does Things Fall Apart have spaceship battles, though? Hmm hmm hmmm??

I thought this was easily one of the best episodes this season, which is a dubious honor as the season has been a bit wonky from the start. It appears that my guesses that the Final Five are "old" and from the 13th colony are being borne out, which makes me happy about the plot have some semblance of planning and sense after all.

uncle retrospective

20:15 / 12.05.08

Papers, you must be on drugs, you want more info on her mum? Jesus!
I loved this ep, it gave me what I want from BSG and high tenson crazy is a big part of that. It's all going to hell in a hand basket the way it should. Hopefully the lull is gone and it's full speed for the last 4 ep's.
Also, Nana Visitor back on my telly is a great thing even if it wasn't for long.

12:04 / 13.05.08

Agreed. She kinda showed up a lot of the rest of the cast, didn't she? I appreciate that she has one of those character voices that instantly imparts personality, but besides what she brings naturally she really did a lot with what she was given.

21:46 / 13.05.08

There's only four episodes left?

07:13 / 14.05.08

There´s at least twenty episodes. Maybe the break will be soon. Is that what you mean?

21:21 / 14.05.08

Wait, what, there's a break? I was expecting about 20 eps too, but then that guy said 'last 4 episodes' and now I'm confused. Am I mad? In a coma? Or are there really only four episodes of BSG left?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

22:14 / 14.05.08

There were supposed to be twenty episodes on top of Razor, but production halted after eleven due to the Writer's Strike. Presumably the break being spoken of will fall after the eleventh episode, while production catches up, yeah?

Our Lady Has Left the Building

04:59 / 15.05.08

The podcasts for the first couple of episodes say that Ron is working on the scripts for the final few episodes, so whether this means they've got enough time to do them without necessitating the big between seasons break of yester-seasons.

06:59 / 15.05.08

Wiki says this:

"The fourth season has been rumored to be split into two parts, a case more likely given the late premiere and production delays caused by the 2007-2008 writers' strike; the first 10 episodes airing beginning April 4, 2008, with the second 10 installments possibly airing as late as 2009."

I heard a rumour from Ground Control. Oh no, don´t say it´s true!

00:00 / 20.05.08

Hybrid says JUMP!

HUZZAH!!!!!

03:31 / 21.05.08

I don't think many characters will live to see Earth. Specially with everybody not resisting their urge to fire their guns.

All signs now seem to point to Laura Roslyn as the final cylon, with the visions and all her actions having unforeseen consequences which usually end up being quite fortuitous, at least plot development-wise.

(Which is exactly why I want to reiterate my vote on Gaeta)

08:19 / 21.05.08

No, it isn´t Madame President. Lots of people had visions, Number Six, Baltar, Crazy Kara and the boxed cylon, for example. To me, it makes no sense at all, that it should be her. Her right hand is already one of the five, what do they gain, if she is, too?

And especially the last episode very heavy handedly pointed to the crooning Gaeta. And then four out of five would have been members of the rebellion on New Caprica.

Something, that bugged me about the last episode was the lack of imagination on the writers part. Didn´t we already have a heavily guarded and important cylon walking along a floor of the Battlestar Galactica being shot by an agitated mother of a hybrid? This repetition doesn´t bode well for the remainder of the season.

11:46 / 21.05.08

OK, the Final Five:
Tigh is close to Adama, Foster is close to Roslin, Sam is close to Starbuck, and Tyrol can effect Engineering...
What would be another good influential role?
My theory is that Baltar (Scientist/Priest) is the Last Cylon because he can have an effect on the general population, and Kara Thrace is actually a Hybrid crossover model: A prototype "mortal" Cylon/Human...
Think: The Hybrid called Kara the "Harbinger of Death". To me this could mean two things if I'm right: If Kara is a Hybrid human/cylon experiment in mortality (Remember the Six's speech about Mortality making life have value?) Her successful existance would bring "death" to the cylons.
I think that it could also mean that as the two fleets approach Earth, Kara, as a Hybrid, will need to decide who survives between humans and cylons (Kinda like Captain Marvel in Kingdom Come...) and she chooses mutual destruction in order to not drag Earth into all their problems...
...
...
Another twist: 12 Cylons, 12 Lords of Kobol... Who really came first? The 12 "Evolved" after the Toasters ran away from the colonies those 40 years? What if there's a Blade Runner twist? The 12 are immortal gods who created machine/clone/humans, who created Toaster-Cylons, who re-discovered the 12...
And that's the point, right? It doesn't matter if you're a human or a machine as long as you feel, as long as you act "Human""...

19:10 / 21.05.08

I kept expecting Gaeta's leg to grow back - the dramatic revelation being (a) that he's the final Cylon and (b) the fundamental difference is the final five can regenerate bits of themselves.

The best thing is, no-one would even notice much. 'Oh, his leg's grown back. Well, the President hallucinates to generate policy, the bad guys are the good guys now, we let the ex-president off in his trial despite the fact he's actually been an accessory to genocide twice, and one of our pilots came back from the dead in a brand-new ship. What-ho.'

Surely Kara as the harbinger of death is related to the destruction of the resurrection hub?

01:35 / 22.05.08

My bet for the final cylon...

Lee Adama. or the old man himself.

I remember way way back in series one, when the Fleet first encountered Leoben. Just before he went out the air lock, he wispered to Roslin 'Adama is a cylon'.

With Lee positioning himself to be the next president, maybe he is the last of the five.

But then how did he grow up? How did Admiral Adama not notice his son was a cylon? How? Maybe he is. Making Lee the first true hybrid, not Hera or the Tyrol's son.

Also with the 12 lords of Cobol - 12 cylon models... If the 12 lords are basically mapped over the greek/roman gods, then aren't the 12 models too?

then perhaps...

1 Brother Cavil - Zeus

2 Leoben - Hermes

3 Diana - Atermis (given that Diana is the roman name for Atermis) or Hecate

4 Simon - ?

5 Aaron Doral - ?

6 Caprica 6 - Aphodite

8 Boomer - Athena (warrior, but many 8s are seen engaging in dance and other arts)

7, 9, 10, 11, 12 - The final five

Colonel Tigh - Hades or Ares or Poseidon?

Samuel T. Anders - Ares? or Heracles? (sports hero?)

Galen Tyrol - Hephaestus

Tory Foster - Hera or Hestia?

If you add Lee Adama - Apollo

just some ideas...

15:59 / 23.05.08

I think the twelfth Cylon will turn out to be the TV turning into a mirror and going...'YOU!' a la Time magazine's Man of the Year last year.

16:23 / 26.05.08

Let's face it. The twelfth Cylon has to be Kaworu Nagisa.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

18:42 / 26.05.08

Adama's totally the replicant. I mean Cylon. I mean Harrison Ford is going to guest star as the final Cylon. I mean replicant.

Mysterious Transfer Student

18:49 / 26.05.08

I would actually like to see this series end with two episodes of reused footage, psychologically pitiless dialogue and fourth wall breakage, culminating in Sharon sprinting down the street with a slice of toast in her mouth, line drawings and OMEDETOU.

Wait, did I say "like"? Having written that, I have no option but to say DO FUCKING WANT.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

18:53 / 26.05.08

Or, you know, BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE MUSICAL. "How could I have been so wrong? / I was a Cylon all along..."

19:42 / 26.05.08

...said the Joker to the Thief!

19:44 / 26.05.08

If someone crashes at Area 51 I'll snap and hunt down the writers like Dale Gribble hunting roaches... Ch-Cha!

19:47 / 26.05.08

The 12th Cylon is Jimi Hendrix

No, wait! Jimi Hendrix is God.

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