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Battlestar Galactica: Razor + Season 4 (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:57 / 27.05.08
The 12th Cylon is probably Boxey. I did enjoy watching the deleted scenes for series one recently and finding that apparently all that had been cut from the first series was 'every appearance by Boxey'.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:16 / 29.05.08
The 12th Cylon is Lamkin's cat. Next episode we see it download into a new body just before the destruction of the resurrection hub.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:29 / 29.05.08
 
 
Seth
19:37 / 29.05.08
OLD MAN FITE! OLD MAN FITE!
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:28 / 29.05.08
My apologies for the uncritical review, but OMFG, that was an awesome episode.

I have to congratulate the writers to have the guts to ignore the fate of the people in the basestar and instead show the effects of the disapearance in the fleet, and in Galactica more specifically. And for the skill to make it totally wortj the wait. To keep us wondering what the frak happened, they manage to provoke empathy between the characters and the audience, by making both wonder what happen (it worked for me, at least. I wasn´t even pissed off by their choice of narrative line, so well-rendered it was). Not easy to do, and they did it flawlessly.

Best thing about the episode? The "you can say that again" face Cel. Tigh did to the camera when Adama said he "changed since New Caprica" and "must have discovered new things about himself". Funny and sad at the same time.

Red-haired Six's death in the operating table was cool too. Made me wonder if that´s how it´s gonna feel like when it´s my turn to bite the dust.

Last epidose it was subtly implied Gaeta could be Cylon-12. This episode it was the Roman character from Baltar´s trial. Will they throw fake clues and fake leads every episode?

Lee Adama as President? Husky stranded on a Raptor? What happened to the Hub? Can´t wait for the next one.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:12 / 31.05.08
And now, the case for the Prosecution...

* What is this mad desire the writing staff have for having an Adama at the top of the tree at any one time? It was bad enough when his Daddy gave the Pegasus to Lee in season two, Lee who, lest we forget, couldn't even mount an attack on the Resurrection Ship in a Stealth Fighter without breaking it. But now we have the Forest Gump of politicians being unanimously voted to be President of Humanity? The Quorum don't want Admiral Adama declaring Marshall Law again, their pissed at him for not following the rules and talking to Zarak who, as he himself points out, has more legitimacy to be in the Big Chair than Laura Roslin herself, so why would they be willing to accept Lee in the Chair? Wouldn't they see this as an attempt by the Adamas to cement their control over this remaining pocket of humanity? And even if that weren't an issue, we haven't been shown yet that Lee is capable of doing anything right.

* Tigh Six Secks. More hybrid babies. Oh yay. I really can't believe that, despite everything that Six is, despite all the pressure Tigh is under, despite the fact he keeps seeing his wife, that Six and Tigh have done it. And certainly not managed to hide the fact until Cottle decides, for no readily apparent reason, to examine Six. Which brings us to...

* Tigh Adama Secks. Either you have Bill and Saul fight over Tigh having dirty monkey passion with Six or you have Adama making Saul king of the fleet and going off to find Laura, you can't do both in a forty minute period without looking like inconsistent idiots. And yes, Saul might be a good XO but he's not the person to be in charge, do you forget that a few months ago he was cracking up in public at Baltar's trial? That he sowed sedition amongst the fleet before that and had to be relieved of command? Zarak should be President and Lee Acting Admiral if it needs to be done.

* King Rollo. You can't humanise Rollo, you mustn't humanise someone like him. If you try and show his sensitive side then he becomes someone with a bad Oirish accent, silly glasses and ridiculous affectations. He took on Baltar's case despite knowing he would be hated by the fleet, despite someone attempting to blow him up on several occasions and now he goes mad because someone kills his cat as revenge? And tells Lee he should become President? AND is listened to? And Lee doesn't think that maybe the crazy man telling him he should be President before trying to kill him shouldn't be listened to? And then Lee gives him a dog? Again, either crazy Rollo says Lee should become President and he doesn't, or sane Rollo says Lee should become President and he does, not crazy Rollo says Lee should become President and he does, that's just taking the piss.

* I was surprised to see Starbuck on Galactica, I think I thought she'd gone to the Base Ship with Roslin. It was odd that Adama found time to shout at Athena for shooting the Six, but no-one bothered to mention Starbuck had brought a Base Ship to the fleet which had now jumped away with the President and most of their fighter pilots. I can see her becoming CAG out of necessity but you'd have thought the possibility that this was an over elaborate Cylon trap and that she was an agent that had succeeded in organising the capture of the Human President and the crippling of the fleet might have been mentioned, even in passing. And wasn't Lee supposed to be in a position where he would come and help out on Galactica if necessary? I would have thought he'd be out flying with the Air Group who was short of people rather than talking to the mad Oirish fella about cats.

That was a 'Lost' series one episode, where the cast run around doing a lot to disguise the fact that very little of importance happens. Very bad. Hopefully next week they'll finally bring back Xena the Warrior Cylon.
 
 
e-n
10:44 / 31.05.08
Can someone explain what the hell was going on with the cat and Romo's switching weirdness??

Was he trying to scare Lee into taking the job?
WTF did Lee give him dog for?? That was like something from another episode(or even another series) completely

And the cats's been dead for weeks!!??But we just saw it wandering around. Another cat? Is the FTL leaking Schrödinger's cats all over the place

Not only was all this confusing it was unnecessarily confusing. I mean what could the point possibly have beenin having Romo act so weird.

Adama stepping down was also just so dumb.

Next week better be an improvement or I'm done.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:46 / 31.05.08
The cat was supposed to still be alive only in Rollo's fractured brain. I guess he wanted Lee to agree to take the job of being the President so that he could shoot Lee and so completely fuck things up for the rest of the humans as revenge.

No, this didn't really work either.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:42 / 31.05.08
The characters do seem to behave not in the most logical way, but in the way that best shows how mankind is utterly fucked up.

May it's a colonial thing.
 
 
Mistoffelees
06:46 / 01.06.08
Where is the dog supposed to do its business on a battlestar anyway?
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:01 / 01.06.08
Where is the dog supposed to do its business on a battlestar anyway?

It's not a real daggett, it's a robot.

WTF did Lee give him dog for??

That confused you? Rollo had pretty bad survivor's guilt about jumping on the shuttle and not going back for his family and the cat was all he had left of them. Looking after the cat was part of what kept him from running amok with a handgun before now. Lee gave him the dog to give him something to focus on other than whiskey and the bleak hopelessness of it all.

Is the FTL leaking Schrödinger's cats all over the place

Infinite improbability drives. It's what BSG has been waiting for.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:58 / 02.06.08
Can we please stop calling him Rollo? For some reason, every time I read Rollo, I start cracking up.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:47 / 03.06.08
Personally I think Rollo sounds more sane than a character called Romo Lammykins. It's like at that point in the series the writers stopped trying to think of decent names. Watch for next episode when we meet Flight Sergeant Lala Snugglepuss, Quorum Representative Billy Cromulence, and Galactica's new XO, the heretofore unseen Commander Keyring...
 
 
Mouse
18:55 / 03.06.08
Adama: You got a cylon pregnant! What secrets have you been sharing?
*fight ensues*
Adama: By the way, I'm stepping aside and leaving you in command.
Tigh: But I'll frak it up like last time.
Adama: No you won't.
Tigh: Oh, okay. Cool, then.

Cavell: Say what!?
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:15 / 03.06.08
Well, when there's roughly only 40,000 people left in all mankind, finding someone with some experience runing a battleship may be difficult. Since Lee is now busy being president all of a sudden, and Starbuck is not only the same crazy anti-social semi-suicidal person of always, but is also a major suspect of being a Cylon, the only other guy who seems to have the skills for the job (Helo) also had a baby with a Cylon.

As I said, the characters seem to favour plot-developing actions, decisions, and attitudes over logical and reasonable ones in their life choices. I mean, for instance, didn't anyone bother to tell Rosslyn that plugging the hybrid back on to hear what she had to say regarding her dreams would be a bit too risky, considering that unplugging her was the only thing that kept the basestar under Colonial control, as it is, to begin with?

The guy name is Rollo? I swear to the gods I've been hearing Roman all this time. Frakk, maybe I'm the Last Cylon???
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:22 / 03.06.08
It's Romo.

Speaking of Starbuck, she was quite... um, together, in this last episode? Is she suddenly all ok now? I wasn't really under the impression that the Galactica was now heading in a direction that made her head feel fine... I mean, they didn't really move, did they?
 
 
Seth
19:34 / 03.06.08
Where is the dog supposed to do its business on a battlestar anyway?

Even a rag-tag fugitive fleet needs a qualified sex therapist. Especially this rag-tag fugitive fleet. It'll get its own consulting room even if it means Chiefs Tyrol and O'Brien have to move in together to free up a room (Keiko, Molly and Kirayoshi be damned)...

Tyrol: "Sorry if I seem a little stressed out, depressed and more than a little badly written. The missus threw herself out of an airlock under rather sus circs, I've got a weird-ass hybrid baby and I just found out I've been a toaster all along via listening to a shit-awful cover of All Along the Watchtower..."

O'Brien: Throws dart.

Tyrol: "No, I'm not sure how it works either."

O'Brien: Orders coffee (Jamaican blend, double strong, double sweet).

Tyrol: "So you're saying you're not the original O'Brien, but the one from three hours into the future? And you were replaced by a doppleganger? Twice in fact, under completely different circumstances?"

O'Brien: Dresses up as Biggles for the Battle of Britain.

Tyrol: "Huh? I'm nothing special? You can't mean that literally everyone you know either got replaced by an imposter, possessed or surgically altered at some point?"

O'Brien: Drunkenly bawls through a verse of Jerusalem.

Tyrol: "Eh? Your doctor's Changeling replacement performed brain surgery on your Captain? That doesn't even make sense! Why didn't it use the opportunity to just let him die?"

O'Brien: Makes unearned reference to a military career that we've never seen along with obligatory anti-Cardassian racist comment.

Tyrol: "Having said that, I like the sound of your Captain. He's not the only one who became an expert archeologist out of nowhere and interpreted a long dead language in the ruins of an undergound temple. I had that moment of heavy-handed forshadowing too!"

O'Brien: Swears in a rather token and inoffensive manner because he's Irish and was in The Commitments. Something like *damn,* *bloody hell* or *bollocks,* one of those will do.

Tyrol: "At least you had fun? Yeah, well you can frak off. Your problems only lasted forty five minutes whereas we've been working our asses off for years to build up to this level of overwrought melodramatic nonsense. So say we all!"

O'Brien: has SMEX with Bashir. Garak watches.

Everyone claps really bloody slowly. Poppa Adama hugs Junior. Sisko kisses Jake's forehead.

FIN.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:51 / 03.06.08
It's Romo.

Oh, ok. I feel a bit less cuckoo now.

Speaking of Starbuck, she was quite... um, together, in this last episode? Is she suddenly all ok now? I wasn't really under the impression that the Galactica was now heading in a direction that made her head feel fine... I mean, they didn't really move, did they?

I think that went away when they found the basestar, which was the fulfillment of her visions. She's "normal" again now, or at least as normal as she can get boom boom boom.
 
 
Seth
20:20 / 03.06.08
God... I've just thought. "So say we all" is going to be the very last line of the final episode, isn't it?
 
 
Mistoffelees
21:56 / 03.06.08
Or maybe it will be "All along the fracking watchtower".
 
 
penitentvandal
06:26 / 04.06.08
I don't care what the final line is, as long as they don't end it in mid-sentence like the Sopranos, I mean what a
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:43 / 04.06.08
Everyone on the show seems kinda weird, but... I think they're all trying to be more human than normal: Following their hearts. Yes there's less than 40000 survivors, but they're starting to realise that surviving's not worth anything if they can't be human (Even the Cylons). What Adama's doing might seem out of character, but it's kinda like one of those "If you only had one day left to live, what would you do?" things.
Why can't we all just get along...?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:59 / 04.06.08
Can I just predict that in about four episodes time there will be some contrivance so that Adama, Tigh, Starbuck, Anders and Helo are off the ship and they'll just say "fuck it" and have a Cavil in command?
 
 
penitentvandal
23:07 / 04.06.08
No, not a Cavill, come on, give the writers some credit, I mean they're smart people, they've read William Goldman, cut them a break, obviously not a Cavill, that would just be stupid.


It'll be Lamkin's dog.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:11 / 05.06.08
I mean they're smart people... cut them a break

Surely that would be a violation of this thread, which is after all a place where busters can gather to set to rights a show that, were they in any way involved in at all, would be about as good as Stargate and have been cancelled after 3 episodes?
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:21 / 07.06.08
I'll come back later with more detailed views, but for now:

- great space battle. (about time, btw) And it was done not at the expense of intense human drama. And with an amazing soundtrack

- Baltar trying to sweet talk a Centurion into rebelling was a nice quasi-comic touch. He would have done it, if he had more time. (it's strange how the Baltat character oscilates from the "comic pathos" to the "dramatic ethos" and back in almost every episode. This time, he's doing it from scene to scene)

- Baltar confessing to Roslyn under the influence of drugs was a great scene.

- D'eanna is back and she's behaving more and more like Xena. With a similar sense of humor too.

- Is it me, or this show is getting a lot like Macross/Robotech? Just substitute Cylon for Zentraedi and you got pretty much the same plot development.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:56 / 07.06.08
Cylons, as usual, seem far more interesting to me than the humans. Particularly, in this episode, Cylon identity politics -- the stuff with the Sharon who wasn't Athena but accessed Athena's memories (let's call her Minerva?) intrigued me, and I'd like to see more exploration of that, particularly how they relate to people like Helo. Same with D'Eanna's positioning as the last Three in existence and how she would feel about that.

I wonder how Roslyn's FTL-dreams would have played out if she was male; the whole resolution for her erratic hatred being "you need to love someone" (ie Adama) seemed...off to me. I am curious now, if everyone experiences some momentary hallucinatory state when they jump, or if it was just another one-off visitation from "God."
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:42 / 07.06.08
the whole resolution for her erratic hatred being "you need to love someone" (ie Adama) seemed...off to me

my issue with that is that someone who loves no one for real would never be so passionately angry at anyone for harming third parties. Which reduced her ditacorial and deceiving ways as some survival instinct egotrip, not the righteous anger of someone trying to save other people, which so far I though it was her motivation.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:45 / 07.06.08
Well, yeah, I agree. The hallucination scenes just didn't jive with her character, which seemed better illustrated by her encounter with Baltar. That scene felt more real and meaningful.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
23:27 / 07.06.08
- Is it me, or this show is getting a lot like Macross/Robotech? Just substitute Cylon for Zentraedi and you got pretty much the same plot development.

A friend of mine, who is a big Macross fan, made the same point to me awhile back. I thought that it was more that Macross was influenced by the original BSG, which shares the same basic plot as this new version. They might do the details differently, but it's still pretty similar.

There are a lot of space battle/CGI scenes that are very very reminiscent of Macross battles, though, especially the ship-to-ship battles and the swarms of cylon raiders launching from Basestars.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
23:29 / 07.06.08
Also, I thought this episode was quite good. The season is getting better the more it goes on, which gives me hope that there is a definite purpose leading to a fairly decent resolution for the series. They seem to "have it together."

Making the Cylons mortal is certainly leading to, as Charlie (Driveshaft) would probably say, "We are everybody!"
 
 
e-n
08:53 / 08.06.08
I have to say that was more like it.

Three's reveal of the fifth Cylon was awesome. The music the reaction, everything.

I fell off the couch I was laughing so hard.

Also is it just my copy or was there more mumbling than usual in this episode. I seemed to miss heaps of dialogue.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:23 / 08.06.08
Is it me, or was there not an episode last week on Sky? I couldn't find it anywhere, nor a repeat either. But it's there next week. Did it take a break so everyone could watch the Lost finale, or have I missed a very important episode?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:52 / 09.06.08
Um, looking at Wikipedia...

Episode 410, Sine Qua Non, we got before the US on the 27th of May, but they had a fortnight between the previous episode (16th) and their showing of that episode (30th), and we're having that fortnight between 410 and 411, with 412 being on the same day for both (13th) which, if that holds, means that it'll air over here before the States.

So, in answer to your question: Moist, with a 30% chance of scattered showers, raising to gas mark 2 for 40 minutes.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:21 / 09.06.08
Did it take a break so everyone could watch the Lost finale, or have I missed a very important episode?

Yeah we missed a week.

Could I ask that, if the fifth has been revealed, no-one mention who it is on here until we lag-about Brits have seen it too?
 
  

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