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Battlestar Galactica: Razor + Season 4 (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Hieronymus
14:54 / 21.09.07
So supposedly nothing will drop until February 2008. But in the meantime, there's little pieces of speculation to gnaw on.

Such as this (Tiny spoilers may interfere with digestion. Please consult your physician if you experience bloating, paranoia or find yourself with a big electronic LED light running up and down your spine).
 
 
PatrickMM
22:27 / 27.09.07
Not quite nothing, we will get the Razor TV movie in November, which will fill in some Pegasus backstory. Pegasus got lost in the mess of weak stories that was the middle of season two, but it promises a look at Six's undercover mission on the Pegasus, which should be fun. However, this sounds a lot like one of the Babylon 5 movies that is just sort of there and doesn't contribute anything to the characters or mythos.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
10:28 / 15.10.07
Dude, how can a story featuring Admiral Cain not contribute to the characters or the mythos?
 
 
PatrickMM
15:16 / 26.10.07
'Battlestar Galactica' news: The show will premiere in early April

which also means the season will almost undoubtedly be split into two parts, so we're looking at a five to ten month delay after ten episodes to get to the final ten.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:22 / 29.10.07
Which prompts the question, "Why does God hate me?".
 
 
Hieronymus
14:34 / 29.10.07
He can't hate you that much. Has no one else seen the prequel-esque Flashback webisodes?
 
 
s_kid
12:48 / 03.11.07
the joy of torrents....

what a great fucking piece of work...

Glen a larson gets his 90's dream of a pegasus movie

i was blown away by this;
 
 
uncle retrospective
16:03 / 03.11.07
Heh, I downloaded Razor this morning. Roll on time to watch it.
 
 
uncle retrospective
23:00 / 03.11.07
Oh God wow! It's so good. It's so good it made me drop my hate of the last episode and make me realize that all I hated was that shitty song.
There's a point when your watching Razor where your jaw is going to hit the floor and make you jump and shot "holy fuck!" I'm not going to spoil it but I really enjoyed it.
How am I going to wait for April?
 
 
uncle retrospective
23:03 / 03.11.07
In an unrelated matter www.rslinks.org FTW!

do de do de do....
 
 
thewalker
17:59 / 08.11.07


Ron Moore on why he's striking and how Battlestar's final season is affected.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:42 / 26.11.07
Nice to see BSG upholding that fine and noble tradition that the only good lesbian is a dead lesbian. If she can be a homicidal out-of-control loon beforehand (although we knew this already) then so much the better.

Otherwise, pretty good. I wonder why Galactica didn't have a Cylon trying to ingratiate him or herself with Adama? They had Boomer, but she was more concentrating on Tyrol, not realising his Final Fiveness. Perhaps Adama's previous experiences with the Cylons made them decide to give him a slightly wider berth, until whatever it was made them activate Boomer to shoot him.

Oh yeah, and another self-loathing, addict, fuck-up, hard-as-nails and now dead woman in the style of Kat and Starbuck. They're certainly painting from a broad emotional pallet here aren't they? Still, nice to see the team back, and talking old-school Centurions? Did anybody else give a fanboy squeee when they talked in their shuttle? I thought the Centurions in the shuttle looked like guys in costumes while those on the Base Star were obviously CGI, was the scene in the shuttle done using old footage from the original?

And while the original series isn't cannon, I wonder if the Hybrid is a call back to the Big Headed Fella that ran the Cylons in the original and turned out to be the Devil. Certainly he sounded similar, even if not much else. I wonder if he was just an experimented on POW from the First War or one of the mysterious types from the lost colony? I wonder what it was that made him a failure when the other hybrids are successes?
 
 
kowalski
15:41 / 26.11.07
I wonder why Galactica didn't have a Cylon trying to ingratiate him or herself with Adama?

Actually, Shelley Godfrey tried it.
 
 
The Falcon
10:41 / 01.12.07
This seems like the best sort-of pseudo-academic resource for readings & interpretations of the show that I've found. Good stuff.

I can barely wait until... August or whenever it is.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:22 / 01.12.07
Has anyone listened to the various 'writers rooms' podcasts and been as amazed as I that such a show could be put together by what sound like a bunch of jock idiots? Listening to them I now see characters like Cain and Starbuck less as strong female characters and instead some guy's dream dominatrix, and comments about how when Lee takes over the Pegasus and redecorates Cain's quarters, "sounds a little gay" and then jokes about choosing wallpaper... Sometimes it's true that you should never see how the sausage is made.
 
 
Lama glama
11:32 / 08.12.07
Apparently Razor was on this Wednesday past on Sky in the UK and Ireland. Did any UK viewers actually realise this, or like me, did you miss it and now discover that they're not repeating it?
 
 
iamus
11:36 / 08.12.07
I knew it was the arse-end of November, but I downloaded the leak and watched it at the start of the month. It's meant to have a speedy turnover to DVD, which explains the non-repeatage. A little google told me it's the 26th of this month.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:52 / 08.12.07
Hey frakkers, SPOILER TAGS PLEASE.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:21 / 08.12.07
Wow. Watched Razor last night -- geez! Can we say lazy writing? Let's have backstory that follows along with what was explained in the first Pegasus episode, but have everything important happen seemingly at random, in a compressed timeline, with little to no logical motivation! Yay!
 
 
sleazenation
17:59 / 08.12.07
Something significant I noticed in the season 4 trailers...

The BSG crew seem to be claiming that only 4 of the final 5 have been revealed. Which seems odd - 4 characters being implied as cylons and one, Starbuck being killed and brought back from the dead. Are we expected to assume that Starbuck is not a cylon?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:04 / 08.12.07
I would presume that because the exact nature of Kara's return is unrevealed, they can claim she might possibly not be a Cylon.
 
 
sleazenation
22:59 / 08.12.07
Ah so presumably we have a story about how Kara is actually the second coming to look forward to... oh joy.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:06 / 08.12.07
They seemed to indicate that in Razor and all that lame talk about her destiny.

It's weird, I like the religious and mythic elements of the series a lot, but whenever they start in on prophecies of chosen ones and apocalyptic destinies...blah.

Razor had me wishing that the backstory sequences would finish faster and get back to Kara and Lee, despite the fact that throughout season 3 they've been the least interesting characters -- something seems off.

And, seriously, has there been any major or minor skirmishes or notable moments between the humans and Cylons back in the war that didn't involve Adama? I'm waiting for them to reveal that he started the original war, too.
 
 
kowalski
06:39 / 13.12.07
Maybe Thrace is the 13th Cylon, in the same way that Earth probably is the 13th Colony, ie. not really at all...
 
 
Seth
16:12 / 04.01.08
Nana Visitor has a recurring role in Season 4! Aces, it's about time Moore gave an open nod to the fact that this series is DS9-redux (albeit replacing character depth with pseudo-gritty visuals and pseudo-dark storytelling). The Visitor always gets much love.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:33 / 05.01.08
NO KISS-KISS KARA FOR YOU QUEER NANNY!

I got the first series at Christmas and am pleasantly surprised, seeing those episodes for the first time since watching them only once when they were first broadcast on Sky, as to how well they stand up. Gaeta's fan worship of Doctor Baltar leading to his 'betrayal' of him at his trial, the jockeying for power between Laura and Adama, a relatively unfucked up Starbuck. And all the things I thought were inventions of season two, Head Six being a Baltar hallucination and not a Cylon chip, the idea of what the Cylons were about, I do see them in season one, especially when Starbuck tortures Leoben. I'm even more amenable towards Ellen Tigh, who annoyed me in her every appearence initially.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:13 / 03.04.08
Season 4 starts in Canada on Friday. Rock!
 
 
penitentvandal
21:11 / 03.04.08
And, seriously, has there been any major or minor skirmishes or notable moments between the humans and Cylons back in the war that didn't involve Adama? I'm waiting for them to reveal that he started the original war, too.

Well, duh, surely obvious proof that Adama iz teh 5th Cylon!

Er, somehow...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:23 / 05.04.08
Wow, I think that actually killed any desire to find out what's going to happen. We spent the entire episode trying to figure out when exactly BSG had jumped the shark...
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:29 / 06.04.08
What puzzles me, is that all of a sudden the cylons can identify the "Five Cylons". One was very intimate with another cylon for quite some time without being found out. One fought them for decades and got tortured for weeks. Another one fought them for months on that planet. Many opportunities to scan them. Maybe listening to the Dylan song made them scannable?
 
 
penitentvandal
18:38 / 06.04.08
Now I'm thinking Bob Dylan as the final cylon.

'Leader, what must we do with the humans?'

'Weeeeel, don' follow leaderrrs, watch the parkin' meters.'

'I'm...sorry, my Lord?'

'Y'don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.'

'Ah...could you be more specific, your greatness?'

'All the tired horses in the sun, how'm I supposed to get any ridin' done? Hmmm.'

'Ah, fuck this, let's just kill 'em.'
 
 
iamus
22:41 / 06.04.08
My episode froze just after Starbuck went banazas and took out the two guards, so I've no seen it all yet.

Sackhoff's acting was highly suspect through most of this.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:44 / 06.04.08
I question the storytelling decision to include two separate messianic characters -- I can see that they were trying to parallel a false one with a true one, maybe, assuming either of them are "true" and not just out of it.

I do enjoy the return of Baltar's lower face. I hated that beard, I hated that beard so much. I would have hunted that beard to extinction.

One thing we noticed was that they've removed the low, grating music that typically accompanied Virtual Six appearing to Baltar -- which would have been great two seasons ago, but now feels off-putting because it's become such a part of the "effect" that Virtual Six has on Baltar's psychosis.

Apparently, once you learn that that you're a Cylon, you just hang out in rooms staring at each other, not really talking. Honestly, I don't understand why one of them hasn't killed themselves yet, particularly Tigh.

For a season opener, this felt really unfocused, inconsistent in both characterization and the story's previously accepted logic. It felt like it lacked a real plot and was the equivalent of people walking around, bumping into walls. Earth... we learn nothing about what Starbuck saw or experienced, and I didn't believe that nobody thought that maybe, just maybe there might have been some kind of wormhole phenomenon going on at the Eye of Jupiter...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:56 / 09.04.08
It did seem to suggest that they bunged in a load of mad shit at the end of the last season with no actual thought as to how they'd sort it out this season.

Take Starbuck, I would confidently put down money, based entirely on how Sackoff acted at the end of season three, that she didn't know at the time how things would be explained in this episode, because the two don't tally. And she seems strangely unconcerned and pissy that she's distrusted after being missing for months and IN A MYSTERIOUSLY BRAND NEW Viper, regardless of whether she just thinks she's been gone a few hours or not. She's an expert pilot, yet she doesn't notice reappearing in a new nebula or her brand new ship?

And yes, considering what happened at the start of season two, I can't believe that Tigh would risk being anywhere near Adama if he could shoot Bill at any second, duty be damned. Presumably on the subject of the Cylon ship recognising Anders it must have been something subconscious that he did as Athena didn't recognise him.

The scenes with Baltar were interesting, I wonder if he's changing into Gaius Christ or whether we have the possibility of Baltar redeeming himself in the last season (or both). He didn't need to do anything, the mother had already made it clear that she wasn't going to blame Gaius if the kid died, Six wasn't pressurising him one way or the other, Baltar seemed genuinely open to the idea of giving his life to save the kid. In season three he was willing to stand up to the Cylons up to the point of his own life being at risk, now in season four we had him going beyond that and being willing to let himself die without even posthumous benefits.

I do think the writers have written themselves into a corner as I find it difficult to accept that Baltar can rise to any position of influence within the fleet but lets see.

And from the opening titles it's clear the four really are Cylons. I was hoping it would be some weird questionable situation where we wouldn't be sure. It would also seem to kill some of the more interesting 'maybe they're all Cylons' ideas. They'd best chose their final Cylon and get it out of the way quickly, I don't think stringing it out to the end of the season will do anything except build up disappointment.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:00 / 09.04.08
At least, the battle in the opening scene was the best space fight of the show so far.
 
  

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