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Olulabelle
21:08 / 02.08.07
the attack on Amy

Did that really happen? What I saw was Chanelle pointing out that Amy had in fact been slagging everyone off from the get-go, and that this was not a wise move, at least in Chanelle's eyes. A point I actually agree with.

Although the shocking way people seem to be making up what Amy said when the four had to choose is a little bit outrageous and is making me feel sorry for her, as is Liam's appalling behaviour, best defined on BBBM.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:36 / 02.08.07
I shudder to think what Liam's been up to this evening.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:42 / 02.08.07
But yes, you are quite right about the Chanelle/Amy situation.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:16 / 03.08.07
Dear Ziggy:

Could you...

um...I mean.. looking at the bigger picture..

..I mean, it's difficult..

it's just, y'know, it's really..

..you have to understand...

..could you just..


FINISH A FUCKING SENTENCE YOU BELL-END!!!!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:41 / 03.08.07
So let me get this straight... the week my broadband and TV channels cark it is the same week when shit actually starts HAPPENING on Big Brother?

CURSE YOU, GOD!!!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:10 / 03.08.07
Since Friday, it's been as good as it's ever been, Mr S.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:22 / 04.08.07
it was on telly but she didn't seem so terribly hurt or damaged by his actions on BBLB on, uhm, Tuesday was it?

Right, so it's just okay to string another person along indefinitely regardless of whether you're into them or not? Just because someone isn't that damaged doesn't mean you can behave like a total wanker and if it hadn't upset her she wouldn't have left, I think that's a bit significant.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:51 / 04.08.07
It was good... amazing, really, even when he called her 'Sarah' during the breakup.

When he's shown the highlights of his time in the house, I suppose he's probably going to be troubled by that incident, in particular.
 
 
haus of fraser
19:09 / 04.08.07
Carole Out Next PLEASE!!!!

Her behaviour around Amy has been fairly disgusting- liking Jonty sitting her down and saying that shes actually quite nice and did nothing wrong.

Respect for actually trying to engage with her rather than yell or scream, surprising that nobody has ever really succeeded in this tactic before. Admittedly this was fairly tough with Charlie in the house.

Much as i was disturbed by David i was also quite enjoying his behavior and would have certainly made a better housemate than the ultimately very dull and very nice Carole Louise.

looks like we could see a very boring end to the series.
 
 
The Falcon
20:41 / 04.08.07
Right, so it's just okay to string another person along indefinitely regardless of whether you're into them or not? Just because someone isn't that damaged doesn't mean you can behave like a total wanker and if it hadn't upset her she wouldn't have left, I think that's a bit significant.

Admittedly, I haven't watched everything but I can't help but feel being sucked back into the swirling vortice of a 'relationship' after his five or six attempted breakups may not have been entirely the Z-man's own doing. So, there's that. Additionally, while on the one hand I do try and accept everyone at face value*, the emoting and so on and therefore may have been sucked in by the apparent regret displayed, on the other I'm all for BB relationships getting shorter and shorter (ultimately I'd like a contestant to have two or three g/bf's in the house) because they do seem a fairly cynical and reliable manner of acquiring the oxygen of exposure. Put another way - how did you, or anyone, feel about the breakups of previous BB couples outside the house, as they all were? Any emotional involvement or serious disinterest? At least the whole story was i)condensed and ii)directly available; also, really, about the only distraction from the Charley Uchea Show for the first eight weeks.

I suppose, also, I attained - whilst sensitive, in my own way, to the numerous exceptions that could and should be made Chanelle - a fairly poisonous (although not, I should say, orthodontic) dislike of her as she presented herself, aforementioned violin incident being the notably appalling nadir and quite soul-destroying TV. (On that occasion, Zippy informing her she'd been a 'dick' was small respite that, nonetheless, I grabbed happily.) And while younger and more emotionally needy than him, it seemed patently obvious she was really quite a lot cleverer than him. So, really, a portrait of a tragic figure (tears) enmeshed in his own hubris emerges for me. Assuming he doesn't make the blatant error of goggle-eying anyone else in the hothouse, he may have sufficient time to extricate himself, which I'd quite like him to do because he seems a pleasant enough, well-intentioned young man, really.

*this may be exceptionally delusional, but figuring the 'fakes' is really too difficult and draining for an EQ such as mine. I will say Brian is not as thick as he makes out, no-one barring a Twin removed from the unimind could be, but it's obviously a winner with a British public who want their idiocy (apparently) unmediated. The fools!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:08 / 06.08.07
being sucked back into the swirling vortice of a 'relationship' after his five or six attempted breakups may not have been entirely the Z-man's own doing

So you believe that other people can force you into having a relationship with them if you don't want to. This is sometimes true but at no point did I see Chanelle force herself physically upon Ziggy or emotionally blackmail him in a way that indicated that he had to continue being with her in that sense. She offered to leave and instead of allowing her to he snogged her again and I'm pretty sure that his brain was controlling his lips at the time because Ziggy can actually speak, breathe, has a fully functioning nervous system... In addition I would point out that Chanelle is 19, Ziggy is 26 so if nothing else Ziggy has extricated himself from more relationships than Chanelle.

how did you, or anyone, feel about the breakups of previous BB couples outside the house, as they all were?

I don't understand how that's relevant. I'm not particularly emotionally attached to the relationship, I have a problem with your response. You seem to be of the opinion that Ziggy was somehow pulled into his relationship with Chanelle, that's not how things happen, if you don't want to make out with someone you can say so and then not do it in any situation, if it doesn't work like that then the R-word is very applicable because you said no and you are being forced against your will.

while younger and more emotionally needy than him, it seemed patently obvious she was really quite a lot cleverer than him. So, really, a portrait of a tragic figure (tears) enmeshed in his own hubris emerges for me

And once again a member of barbelith makes a woman into the "wicked witch" and a fully capable man in his mid twenties into a castrated puppy dog. Grow up for god's sake.
 
 
The Falcon
17:15 / 06.08.07
Well, three days to come up with a numbingly reductive take's not bad, Nina.

So you believe that other people can force you into having a relationship with them if you don't want to.

Ah, the no-middle-ground of the tiresome moral absolutist.

No. No, I don't believe I ever said anything of the sort: I believe for several reasons - some suspect, some probably misguidedly heartfelt - the pair were both drawn together to continually renew something that clearly, from a viewer's perspective, did not function. To make myself abundantly clear - this is not some Simian "women as voids" comparison I make above with my 'vortice', but rather the pairing as a black hole from which nothing can emerge.

All that points to, really, is that it's inevitable breakdown is not the sole responsibility of either party; to redress one party as solely to blame for the spasmodic goings-on and then blast dissenting or complicating views (incorrectly,) as being diametrically opposite (while I do like Zak more than Chanelle, this needn't affect my apportioning failings in any given scenario) seems, well, a bit sexist really. Inasmuch as Chanelle is, going by her latter TV appearances, not a victim of anything much, thinks well of Zippy and capable - as, young and otherwise troubled though she may be, an adult woman - of affecting her own affairs.

I don't believe I am the one suggesting otherwise here. Nonetheless, an impressive performance of Megan Heller feminism, otherwise. Well done.
 
 
The Falcon
21:03 / 06.08.07
*sigh*

Beyond lurking internet fight-fans, I can think of very few beneficiaries of us continuing this; a thread dripping poison is not generally a welcoming environment, and spending my last hour at work this evening in a stuporous rage wasn't entirely productive - likewise, reading the above sole produce of said hour was, I should imagine, almost entirely unpleasant for you, Anna.

I honestly don't know if I can dig any deeper in the shallow trench of my feelings about Zigelle either. It might be possible to have a constructive conversation about relative perspectives on the pairing if we can lay off the baseless ascriptions, however. I am entirely prepared to concede that, on the basis of sharing similar genitalia, I do tend to find the masculine half of TV couples easier to empathise with. Also that I may have baited you into rerunning your prejudices somewhat.

So. If you want to continue discussing I'd find statements that clarify particularly why Zippy is a p.o.s. and Chanelle not a pain in the arse, presumably with especial regard to their treatment of one another in their disastrous affair and possibly ramifications, beneficiaries, conceived preferable outcomes, etc.

If you still believe I am propagating a damaging patriarchal myth, I'd prefer the opportunity to reflect on it coolly in the comparatively soothing environs of my p.m. inbox, but of course - as well you know - you are not beholden to do any one thing I request here.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:01 / 06.08.07
Looks like we could see a very boring end to the series.

I don't know. There are so many of them left in there, with with a few weeks to go until it's down to the last four, that the atmosphere's bound to get quite tense. With the possible exception of Kara Louise and Amy, they all seem to be in with a chance of being there on the final night. And will presumably be trying to playing the game accordingly. I mean there is a hundred grand at atake.

At the moment, as long as Brian doesn't win I'll be quite happy. Nothing against the man personally, but he is being pushed to a fairly objectionable level by M'cCall. O'Leary and so on at the mo.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:20 / 07.08.07
I'm getting a little sick of Liam's glacially paced, stunningly simple comments and observations. I've generally been OK with him but recently it's just been a bit dull.

Carole - please go away you miserable grey cloud. Bored shitless of your 'everyone is so thougtless, so now I'm going to cry' shtick. She's also got some bizarre anti-female stance it seems, almost always taking the side of men in the house (in particular Cliff Zilchard), and reacting with barely concealed hostility to new female housemates. Kind of surprising; certainly annoying.
 
 
haus of fraser
10:34 / 09.08.07
Missed it last night, but was curious about the idea touted on one of the redtops that Channelle is going to re-enter the house. Now that will shake things up- its also quite interesting how she seems to be stealing a lot of Charlie's (AKA the new Jade Goodie) thunder.

Can't wait to see Carole's/ Ziggy's face if she does re-enter, although it would be more interesting to see a public vote to chose between Jonathan and Chanelle (both the walkers) as i was sad to see him go.

How has the amanda/ Brian thing panned out? I wondered what the twins parents thoughts would be, i can imagine an over protective father fuming "she's kissing the boy who wet himself...." (certainly the role Liam seemed to assume)
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:12 / 09.08.07
Getting really titsed off with Liam now. He's so smug and certain of himself. Like with his criticism of Cara-Louise for not appreciating the unreserved joy of spending time in the BB house - 'I'm just so greatful for what I've got, like' - yeah? You've got £100,000 in the bank and unreserved adoration from the dimwit housemates you self-satisfied wanker! Him and Zig Richard have now assumed the treasured mantle of BB alph males and have thus started acting in a suitably cunty manner. Witness; the 'good natured' bullying of Gerry.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:17 / 10.08.07
How has the Amanda/Brian thing panned out?

Apparently, Amanda's decided that they're not ready for a relationship, her and Brian. This could change, though.

I feel that if Amanda would be prepared to lay down for all of the few, awful minutes it would take, she'd deserve the hundred grand prize in a way that perhaps nobody ever has done before.

'Brian ...' she might mumble

Exit Brian, to the garden, where Zippy and Liam are listlessly smoking cigs.

'I got me nuts in! Boys! I got me nuts in!'

'But have ye thought aboot the consequences?'

'Yeah man, you need to think about those ... I never expected things to get as out of control as they did, personally.'

'Oh shut UPPP!'

Pause

'The teddies all think you have behaved badly, Brian.'
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:03 / 10.08.07
If only you wrote Big Brother
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:46 / 10.08.07
Witness; the 'good natured' bullying of Gerry.

God, that was teeth-grindingly annoying - and yet perversely, of course, one of the few really engaging moments of this series for me. It was so perfect, symbolically - Gerry wanted the globe so that he and Jonty could teach the twins about world geography. Ziggy and the other brutes wanted to play football with it. And then they kicked it over the wall. They might as well have smashed up Gerry's microscope.

Ziggy reminds me a lot of guys at school who were popular, supposedly 'nice' alpha male guys, the kind who always had a really unpleasant mate who used to bully the younger and geekier kids, which they turned a blind eye to. My tooth-grinding really kicked in when Ziggy reacted to Gerry saying their behaviour was typically "straight" (quite rightly, but you could tell it sort of slipped out): that sort of genuinely baffled "what are you on about, mate?" hurr hurr entirely unwitting privilege that you just know a whole bunch of viewers were laughing along with...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:07 / 15.08.07
ZOMG THE TWINS ARE TALKING TO BRIAN ABOUT THE CHUCKLE BROTHERS AND THEY KEEP CUTTING THE SOUND.

This is ALMOST as annoying as when Leslie was talking about Buffy and they cut the sound.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:51 / 16.08.07
So, thoughts about Friday?

If the screeds of invective on Digital Spy are anything to go by (there seem to be about forty active threads on this subject, most of them called things like 'The Hatchet-Faced Minger Is Worse Than Hitler!!!11!!!, or related) it looks as if Carole might be up for eviction this week. But who's she going to be up against, and what will 'the gurus' make of it all? If it's Kara-Louise, I fear the poor fawn doesn't have a prayer, but if it's Gerry, then I'm guessing it could go either way. Tracey's probably solidly in the Pro-Carole camp (although I suspect Carole secretly despises Tracey for her rave-based hedonism) but the Twins might well be glad to see the back of her, which would leave everything up to Zippy. Consequently this week's eviction might actually be worth watching, for the first time this series.

And I can't, I refuse to believe that people are actually taking the time to vote out Kara-Louise; at this point that seems a bit like phoning up to get rid of Freddie or Monety-Tunkety. Is the GBP really that twisted?

My two bob, anyway.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:09 / 16.08.07
I think Kara's out. It'll be a shame, certainly... Carole could really do with going, to be honest, and Kal-El hasn't actually pissed me off yet. OK, she hasn't done much else, but still, in that house being passively inoffensive is approaching sainthood.

In other news... I'm wondering if my continued desire to actually hurt Zippy actually really badly with actual kitchen implements is actually a sign that I should stop watching telly again. Bear in mind, I have no storage space, and my plumbing is NEVER gonna cope with body parts. They had it SO much easier in the 70s, I swear.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:36 / 16.08.07
ZIPPY NEEDS TO BE KILLED WITH FIRE.

He really does. And I don't care if my desire for unreasonable violence involving both fire and bladed weaponry is un-Barbelith. HE REALLY DOES. FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:55 / 16.08.07
Bear in mind, I have no storage space, and my plumbing is NEVER gonna cope with body parts.

I'd have more sympathy, Mr S, if I didn't happen to know know you live nearby a very charming, almost rustically overgrown cemetery.

Pull yourself together, man! As Carole (who I'd personally put in the boneyard, myself) might say, things were, allegedly*, much tougher for her generation.



* I'm not sure I buy much of this stuff about the hard life she claims to have led. Admittedly though, I can't look at her except through a red mist at the moment.

And watching her argument with Gerry as I type this, my hateometer is basically going through the roof.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:57 / 16.08.07
You're right, Granny. Were I stuck in a room with Zippy and Carole, and a gun with only one bullet, I'd...

...well, I'd shoot myself, I reckon.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:55 / 20.08.07
What I would really like to do is cut Carole, Zippy and Liam's limbs off and then play mix and match. Oh look everyone here's Zippy's body with one Carole arm and one Liam arm, here's Carole's body with Zippy's legs! If they all lost some blood and died in the process of limb mix and match and their freakish new limbs were left connected to their bodies when they were delivered back to the families who made them into these hideous whining bastard creatures in the first place then who could really complain?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:55 / 24.08.07
I don't think anybody could.

What I'd like to see is Carole winning this series, only to be told, about ten minutes later (it would be longer ideally, but that's TV - long enough, anyway, for all the beautiful ifestyle possibilities to have sunk in nicely) that actually, Endemol were joking about there being any more prize money. But that, if Carole was prepared to rip Liam's throat out, with her teeth, live on national television, they might see their way clear to redirecting the hundred K from the charming, Geordie, Jack-the-lad fuckpen's bank acoont.

There'd be a bit of umm-ing and ah-ing, of course, but I honestly think she'd go for it.

And after that, she might easily be persuaded ('You've crossed a line now Carole, haven't you?') to saw Brian's head off, ritually disembowel Zippy, etc, for an extra ten grand a throw. The Twins, I suspect, she would do in for free ...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:13 / 24.08.07
but actually fail to do in. Realising that they were the number one, most effective tag team in recent street fighting history, just as one of them landed a punch that sent Carole flying across the room, to end up in the corner fatally wounded and impaled on the fire extinguisher, Carole would be done in.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:06 / 24.08.07
If Sam and Amanda emerged, bloodied but unbowed, from the BB House with Carole's head on a stick then they would be the fairytale princesses of my hart, for sure.

'We used to like pink, Davina but now ... (worrying, Midwich Cuckoos-esque giggle here, and then, in stereo) We've decided we prefer RED!'

'Ok ... (she gurn at the camera) Well, that was honest. Good! I love it! All right, howsabout the two of you really mess up Brian?'

'Brian?'

'Yes. Brian.'

'Well he's a lovely boy ... but we didn't like him, did we?'

'No we didn't ... He made us look at his ... thingy'

'Amanda fancied him, though'

'Did I fuck ... Sorry, Davina, did I say a bad word?'

'Yes, (the camera recoil in horror) you did! We love it! So,Brian! Kill him, or not?!!'

'Well (pause for upsetting, apparently telepathic communion) We don't know if we'd want to kill him, Davina ...'

'No we're not sure about that ...'

'But he does seem like he's subject to ... urges ...'

'Yes, (with conviction) he does. He made us look at his ... nightmarish oh, I can't even say it ...'

'Well, no.'

'No, Sam?'

'No Amanda. You might have had to deal with Brian's ... love, but it was nothing to do with me. I have a boyfriend.'

'You bitch.'

'You led him on, lady ...'

'I did not ...'

'Yes, you did. You abused that poor lad's burgeoning sexuality ... How many times did he expose himself in front of you?'

'There were a couple of occasions, admittedly ...'

'Well then. He didn't do that in front of me, he didn't do that in front of Zippy, or Kara Louise, or Jonty ...'

'Wait a minute, are you jealous?'

'What, because you've seen Brian's ... As if ...'

'You are, aren't you? Jealous.'

'You're joking. Listen, love, if I'd wanted Brian I could have had him, in two seconds flat.'

'Yeah ... and herein, perhaps, lies the problem.'

'Ooh, I know ... (there are tears, there's a hug)He's horrible ... Let's never fight again'

'No, keep going! Conflict! We love it!!'

'Oh fuck off, you smackhead.'

'Yeah, so what was Eric 'Slowhand' Capton like in the sack in any case?'

'What?'

'Was 'Layla' about you, or was it about somebody else?'

'... That's not a period in my life that I care to talk about ...'

'At least unless someone's paying her ... I don't know, what d'you reckon the going rate is these days, Amanda? A fiver?'

'Well she's not pregnant this series, so I'm thinking maybe fifteen quid? Twenty?'

'I'll have the pair of you know, you little fuckers, that it's actually quite a lot more than that ... Jeremy, to think that we've sponsored these idiots all the way through the series ... Ok, we're going to the ad break ...'

Back from the ads, everyone seems more settled - the show is back on track

'So, (icily) Brian. Who should have won the show, everyone, yes? What would you like to do with him now?'

'Well Davina we're not sure.'

'I bet you aren't, you dismal virgins ... Yes, all right Jeremy, but it's under control ...'

'Is it really? If I was to rack up a line of Charlie right now ...'

'Right. We're going to the ad break, again.'

'I bet she used to say that a lot in the early Nineties. But was it a euphemism for ...'

There is a pause in transmission

'Ok. Now that's all been cleared up with C4 legal, what. Would. You. Like. To. Do. With. Brian?'

'Well ...'

'Just answer the fucking question.'

'Well we will, Davina, if you'd just mellow out a bit.'

'Yeah, just chill. We're only Nineteen.'

'And we like pink!'

'Yes we do! If you wore more pink, Davina, and less black, you might be more of an approachable person ... as it is, you're beginning to frighten us.'

'I ... see.'

'She's gritting her teeth at us, isn't she? She shouldn't be doing that.'

'I agree. We'd much better at presenting this show, wouldn't we? Shall we do one of our dances now?'

'Jeremy, unless I'm allowed to kill at least one of these people, this is never going to end ... Yes, all right we'll go to the ads, but this is the last fucking time ...'

Churchill is always there for you - you could save up to seventy pounds on your car insurance

'Brian, then - I'm warning you, you're on thin ice.

'Ok then. Could we just make it that Brian will always have bad dreams?'

'Yes ... bad dreams ...'

'Well, he's over there! (Cut, to Brian's innocent, grinning face - he's the nation's sweetheart, and is eating a pizza) You decide!'

'Ok then Davina, we've decided!'

'Have you. Finally ... Yes Jeremy, I do understand, I've been working on this show far longer than you have ... (then, more brightly, but it's costing her) And what have you decided, girls!!!? I'm loving this!'

'He'll never smile again, will he, Amanda?'

'No Sam, he won't. Not ever, ever again ...'

'Perhaps nobody will.'
 
 
Lama glama
18:57 / 24.08.07
I haven't watched this in about three weeks and have just tuned in to tonight's eviction for old time's sake. What did that Kara Louise person do to provoke such negative reactions from the crowd and her fellow housemates?

She seems like a pretty nice person, a bit of a personality vacuum admittedly, in comparison to the irritating entities remaining, but still..poor person.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:05 / 26.08.07
Yeah, I quite liked her. She got a really rough deal, I reckon.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:31 / 31.08.07
Can I bear this? I feel a little bit sick already.

Is anyone else watching?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:46 / 31.08.07
MEMEMEMEMEME!!!

Yes, I'm watching.

CAROLE OR ZIPPY MUST GO FIRST OH FUCK IT'S JONTY.

Arse.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:47 / 31.08.07
OK, Mr "obvious serial killer of this year's BB" was never gonna be a winner, but Zippy and Carole should both have gone before him.
 
  

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