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Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann

 
  

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Essential Dazzler
22:45 / 02.10.07
And [+] [-] Out-Of-Character Fanboy Stuff

I started my re-watch today, did the first 4.

I'm having trouble finding a direct download of the uncut Episode Six, but as Nyorn are the only group that's released it so far I'm less than enthused. For the most part I watched their subs first time around, but on reccomendation I replaced them with Order subs for archiving. It's astonishing just how much better Order's subs are, granted a huge amount of hyperbole and burning spirit missing from there slightly mechanical translations, but they make a whole lot more sense.

The HUGE, and it is I tell you, negative reaction to the epilogue completely dumbfounds me. It wasn't what I wanted to happen, for sure, but it'd take a lot (and we're talking 10,000 words from Seth here) to convince me that it was anything but brilliant.

Unless I've completey fucked up my reading of the show Simon's final role is perfect.





Important question. GAINAX has teased us with either: 26 episode sequel or 6 part OVA series about Lord Genome's Spiral Knight crew. Which would you prefer?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:48 / 02.10.07
And now I feel foolish. I spent days wondering wether we'd get a happy or a sad ending. A series about Union, by a company that's made it's name on bittersweet. How could I not have guessed we were getting both.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
23:03 / 02.10.07
The soundtrack was announced during episode 22 as being released on the 3rd of October. I've been dying for it since the series started, and I will buy it as soon as my loan comes in. I'm downloading it right now, I'll report back when I've had a listen.
 
 
Seth
03:05 / 04.10.07
Simon's decision to leave is certainly understandable. He's Winston Churchill. He's a wartime leader. In times of peace he's already been shown to be a political liability in his conflict with Rossiu. The reality is that he's become a legend, and having become that he can never truly fit in. And it's no coincidence that the graves of Kamina and Nia are one of the shows very final images. He's buried everyone he ever really cared about along the way, and now having triumphed over the cosmic forces of death and stagnation in a battle so colossally huge that he'll never be able to process it all given a lifetime of wondering (how many unknown worlds and civilisations must have died as those galaxies were thrown like shuriken?) he journeys into the wilderness to come to terms with his own pain. If you don't agree with his decision then you simply have not paid attention to the text.

And what a final battle. Gainax have delivered depiction of something that I honestly don't think any of us have seen before and are likely to see again in a hurry, a conflict so beyond imagination that could not be achieved in any other medium bar comics. The nearest parallel I can find is in a recurring dreamstate I used to have, in which universe-scale forces played out against each other in a shifting dimensional state that has been described by an ex-girlfriend of mine as a birth-remembrance projected out onto a cosmic backdrop in order to process the intensity of the feeling and sensation. Utter brilliance, completely without any precedent that I'm aware of.

Gainax have also done something utterly right here in addressing many of the misconceptions about evolution that are thrown around, mainly by occultists... that evolution has an end point, a final state of perfection, a growth into an energy form... whatever your latest sci-fi new age goonery happens to pick up and run with this week.

Evolution is nothing more than mutation at a crisis point to make a species more adapted to its environment. To the best of my understanding HSP90 exists in all life as a chemical that supresses the manifestation of mutation until a threat to the environment appears, although mutation continues to stack up at a latent level. In times of environmental stress levels of HSP90 are reduced and the species goes bonkers, all sorts of weird and wonderful new forms are expressed that are then subject to natural selection, with those most successfully adapted being the ones that survive. There's a whole ton of interesting stuff that you can find online about this, look up the experiments they (*they*... I mean *evoliutionary biologists*) on fruit flies (the perenial can carriers and unsung heroes of scientific progress) that involved artificially reducing levels of HSP90. Different wing structures, eyes on stalks, some so totally different from their parents that they couldn't be said to be the same species.

Simon here is the will to live, the force that is determined to quit whining and adapt, change or die. With each new fight Gurren-Lagann adapts itself to its new environment, develops new abilities, changes shape, grows. The Spiral Knights are the forms that couldn't adapt, the previous attempts that were selected against and died in battle in the cosmic graveyards we encountered in the closing episodes. The Anti-Spirals are not only the forces of death and stagnation, they also stand for the hope-of-heaven New Agers and the moving-beyond-our-physical-selves sci-fi nerds, who... let's face it, the sci-fi geekers aren't usually the ones who are comfortable in their own bodies, and so are pretty likely to hypothesise pseudo-science scenarios in which we transcend physical form. The Anti-Spirals abandoned their bodies in a death-like state but they also believe that evolution will bring about the kind of cataclysmic end state so often depicted in texts like Akira in which all the universe will be destroyed. They limit evolution because they believe it to reach its climax as an end to all life, but that's the fallacy that they themselves have committed in choosing a state of death themselves. Evolution will never bring about a final end point... it is the very process by which life continues despite adversity.

And so when the series ends and death and stagnation are defeated we get life continuing as normal. No apocalypse, although you could say that the final battle transcended any apocalyses yet seen (that word really shouldn't have a pural). Just people about to travel off to make new friends, a wedding, people going about their lives, living in the world that they've won. The Anti-Spirals were wrong. That is all. Just plain wrong... there would be no end to life.

My only real gripe about the way the series ended was the wasted opportunity that was Boota. He evolves, gets his ass handed to him, then reappears in his earlier form. Perhaps in the state of soft reality that allowed Genome to reconstruct his body Boota simply decided to go back to his earlier state, although that's all my addition to the material and not something that was explained in the text.
 
 
Triplets
11:46 / 05.10.07
Episode 9. Kamina's been dead for a week and no-one's taken it well. This show doesn't sit still at all and while super-compression can feel just as strange to read as decompressed stuff I'm loving that the story is never static, that every episode will bring a new development. Very refreshing.

Big ups to the art directors and animators on this show. It's been top notch throughout. Grieving Simon's eyes have got to be the creepiest thing I've seen this week. Fulloangst. Puking Lagann was plain disturbing.

I'm loving this show. Why, besides Avatar, can't we have anything this good on Western telly?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:00 / 10.10.07
If you can find it, pick up the October '07 issue of Otaku USA, a new English-language anime title - it's the issue with Gunbuster 2 featured on the cover, and the major draw is a terrific interview, translated from a Japanese magazine, with TTGL scriptwriter Kazuki Nakajima. He discusses the major influences and themes of the show, including the debt to boxing and gangster manga (gurentai [old-school yakuza hood] = Gurren, and Kamina's dress sense comes from the same bad-boy tradition), the resurgence of traditional Super Robot anime, and the symbolism of drills. Seriously, get hold of it, just to be able to read quotes like:

Nakajima: ... In previous anime, the robot's drill is always visible. But the drill in Gurren-Lagann is inside of the robot's body, like the soul of a man. You have to hide a man's true soul when it is not necessary to show it.
 
 
Triplets
21:27 / 10.10.07
That's what they said on my teaching course.

About my penis.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:45 / 10.10.07
Does OFSTED know someone was teaching a course about your penis?
 
 
Triplets
10:24 / 11.10.07
They said I should try to conceal my "fighting soul", such as it is, at all times.

For the kids.
 
 
Seth
09:03 / 25.10.07
I have the soundtrack. I'm loving the fact that virtually every other song features that abomination of a "Fight the Power" rap. I love it, but it's dreadful.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:34 / 25.10.07
Ohmigod! Ohmigod! Episode 8! Episode fucking 8! And I didn't even think I particularly liked Kamina! What an absurdly horrible thing to happen so unexpectedly, and what an adsurdly wonderful piece of plotting.
 
 
Seth
21:16 / 25.10.07
Anyone who dislikes Kamina is no friend of mine.

He's THE GREATEST PHILOSOPHER OF OUR TIME.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
03:55 / 26.10.07
Oh but that's my tragedy, I only thought I didn't like Kamina. Now it's too late I realise I was so very, very wrong.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
06:27 / 26.10.07
In fact having slept on it I now really wish I'd tried to write down why I didn't like Kamina when I thought I didn't because at this point I'm actually as mystified as to why it might have been as anyone.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
07:19 / 27.10.07
Glaaaaar!!!!1!!! Rossiue must die! Painfully! That fucking bastard! Just seen 19, and now I want to watch through to the end right now, but I have to go out dammit! Up until now I never thought having a life outside of watching Anime and posting on the internet was really a major drawback......
 
 
Seth
11:37 / 27.10.07
Go easy on Rossiu dude. He's doing what he thinks is right.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
14:50 / 27.10.07
My mind knows that. My mind is quite firm that in the situation I'd probably act a lot more like Rossiu than Simon. But good Anime is remarkably good at getting me thinking with my heart not my mind, and my heart just doesn't give a shit if he's doing what he thinks is right. Doesn't even care if he objectively is right. It just wants to tear the guy to pieces. I think a lot of it is because I really liked the pre episode 17 Rossiu, probably more than I liked any of the other characters, so his evolution into a bit of a fuck-head gets to me. I haven't been so shocked and angry at a character I previously rooted for since Angel tried to smother Wesley back in the day.

Still thematically at this point I'm absolutely loving the way in which Rossiu has changed. His evolution into something far more dangerous and untrustworthy than he was is fascinating, and in some ways I think serves to illustrate where the anti-spiral are coming from. Something that can change can change into something dangerous without even meaning to. So much rage and hate for the character. But also much love for the character and story work being done with him.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
15:36 / 27.10.07
You're on episode 19 just now?

Hahaha... soon, these petty Earthbound concerns will mean NOTHING.

In any case, I won't tolerate any Rossiu-hate in this thread. There's enough of that everywhere else on the internet, and he's a decent, public-spirited man surrounded by id-driven macho blowhards for whom thinking is a tiresome chore. Plus he's got the love of a good woman, who totally forgave him for that whole suicide bomb thing. And in real life he's much more attractive.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:51 / 27.10.07
In any case, I won't tolerate any Rossiu-hate in this thread. There's enough of that everywhere else on the internet, and he's a decent, public-spirited man surrounded by id-driven macho blowhards for whom thinking is a tiresome chore.

See that's exactly how I thought of him up until episode 19, even during episodes 17 and 18 when he seemed pretty shady I was happy to give him the benefit of the doubt, and having watched 20 now, that's kind of how he seemed again. It's just 19 hit me way hard.

Althought thinking about my precious Wes upthread has caused me to regret my anger towards Rossiu at least a bit - Rossiu actualyl seems to be the same sort of man as Wes - basically a nice, decent, almost innocent sort, but with a distinctly unstable determination to do what he thinks is correct in an absolutely ruthless manner if required. If I can support Wesley whatever awful thing he does, how can I really condemn Rossiu?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:48 / 27.10.07
'I'll protect the 180000 humans on this ship, even if I am despised' = Rossiu both forgiven and beloved to me now. God I love how this show messes with my emotions!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:23 / 27.10.07
Post episode-27 creator Q&A filled with thigh-slapping random nonsense and big fat SPOILERS.

Best non-spoiler: Adiane used to play beach volleyball with Nia.



Funny fuckers.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
10:39 / 28.10.07
Finished, so SPOLIERS.
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What an amazing show. What an amazing ending. The thing that most impacted upon me, having watched most of it over the last few days is how the stakes of the show, and the quality continue to increase vastly as the series goes on. At this point everything beofore the seven year jump just feels like prelude.

I know this sort of story structure isn't at all unusual for Anime, but even so I suppose the massive stake and quality raising game going on was very intimately tied to the shows themes of evolution and change - it's as if the spiral force itself was working on the structure of the show as it went on.

Also - Simon's final destiny was perfect. Yes, anyone with a heart probably loved the way he changed and grew, and incorporated everything great about Kamina into himself from the mid-point of the show onwards, and how he became Mr Amazing-God-Like-Superhero by the end, but not only was stepping down from that role necessary psychologically, it also fits with the idea of preventing the Spiral Nemesis from occuring. Choosing to become Simon the wanderer and not to carry on getting more powerful, impressive and legendary seems like the only possible choice to fulfill his oath to save the universe to me. It made me sad, sure. But it was perfect anyway. And the show gave me plenty of joy in the last half a dozen episodes, so I can accept a little sadness too.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:27 / 11.12.07
Nothing short of UNLIMITED WIN.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:31 / 11.12.07
My god! I never thought the Telegraph could ever bring me such pure joy!
 
 
Triplets
20:42 / 11.12.07
"It represents shouting "UNION!" and joining together; kicking reason to the curb and doing the impossible; fighting the power, and piercing the heavens," he said

Oh my god
 
 
Seth
22:31 / 11.12.07
This has just become one of my favourite moments of the year so far. Utterly, utterly magnificent, even if it was voted for in a landslide by a bunch of utter geeks. Well done anime fandom: bloke in Norway, you have just become Otaking!
 
 
Bandini
10:34 / 04.03.08
There's gonna be a film!!!!
 
 
Razor Wind
19:17 / 05.03.08
If they don't take it too seriously and leave in the trifecta of fanservice,MANLY TEARS and heaven-piercing mecha,it could be something special.

Why did Flash Gordon suddenly pop into my mind then? Come to think of it,the styles are similar. TTGL just has moar badass.

Wishlist for casting — quick,think of a Large Ham who's young/sinewy enough to play Kamina.
 
 
Bandini
09:32 / 06.03.08
I'm pretty sure they mean an animated film.
 
 
Seth
22:48 / 21.03.08
A film that isn't a clips reel would be great.

But then, who here has seen the OVA? It's set sometime between the fifth and sixth episodes, after they pick up Rossiu, Gimmy and Darry, but before our heroes start to smell really bad. It's all inessential throwaway stuff (unlike the utterly essential FMA OVAs which were the best thing about that series) but pretty funny in places.

It's always good to see Kamina, after all.
 
 
Razor Wind
20:12 / 24.03.08
Here's the OVA.

More TTGL is A Good Thing;that was really funny . Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:52 / 18.04.08
First English-language DVDs due in July, yo. ADV having gone tits up to some extent, Bandai, who have a cocking awful website but make pretty decent anime DVD packages, have scooped up this fantastic show. Go them, all the more since early rumour suggests that this release may dispense with an English dub... I know El Directo was probably joining me in a full-body cringe at the thought of that Texan woman who plays Evangelion's Asuka inevitably getting roped in for Yoko, so we may have dodged a bullet there.

To celebrate here's the never-not-welcome clip of Tetsuya (Simon) Kakihara* singing the theme from Cutey Honey with awesome visual accompaniment from some hardworking Japanese anons.

*About him, not only is he a handsome, personable young man and talented voice actor, he grew up in Germany and speaks five languages. OMG he is teh real Asuka As A Boy!
 
 
Bandini
11:56 / 06.05.08
Make it now!
 
 
Maat
05:31 / 28.05.08

How much I want the Kamina figure cannot be successfully rendered in text

However, if I buy any more anime kipple I will get strangled by my kinda-significant other. El Directo can I hide it at your flat?
 
 
Seth
16:49 / 28.05.08
Keep him at my place, yeah. I will build an altar to which he will be the centrepiece, and it will also postpone you having to put up with the Law of Equal Purchasing resulting in your deranged Kenpachi Significant Other buying an armoured car.

Best quote from that link:

I'M SO FUCKING GETTING THIS YES YES YES I HAD WAITED FOR HIM WAY TOO LONG YESSSSSSSS
 
  

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