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Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann

 
  

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Essential Dazzler
15:01 / 24.04.07
Somewhere in space, a man in a flowing cape vows to crush his amassed enemies ("Enemy fleet impossibly large!", "So, all the heavenly lights are the enemy?") along with Space-Time itself.



In an underground cavern a group of orphans spend their days toiling away to please the village elder.

A young boy, Simon, is content with his lot in life, taking solace in the treasures he's found recently, a tiny glowing drill-bit, and a huge face.

Headstrong, rebellious Kamina, meanwhile is determined to defy the village elder and find a way to break through to the fabled surface world. A mythical place which only he and his father, who died there, have ever witnessed.

Suddenly their workaday lives are thrown into disarray as a gigantic monster crashes through the ceiling, chased by a scantily clad, sniper-rifle toting, woman.

I've been wanting to follow more series as they happen, and this series seemed a good place to start.

It's far from the most original of premises, I admit, and it may not amount to much in the end (although it is Gainax, I have faith it'll be worth the ride). But what I've seen so far has been pulled off with enough flair to make it thoroughly enjoyable. Plus, it's only 25 minutes a week, with the potential to be amazing. If it only turns out to be OK, will you ever be able to justify taking time out of your already packed-with-amazing-anime schedules to watch all 26 episodes in the future? Stay with me people.

4 episodes have been aired in Japan, and the first 3 have been fan-subbed. For simplicity's sake I've been streaming it from Crunchy Roll.

The series director was involved fairly heavily in FLCL I believe.

My favourite element so far is the very, very odd Mecha design.

Also, it has an extraordinary amount of Swearing and Fan-Service for a Saturday morning cartoon, is this normal?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
15:35 / 24.04.07
Normal? The show has a M.O.D.O.K/Sentinel Lovechild-with-drill-bit-in-it's-head Mecha in the first few seconds of the title sequence. Then there's a giant Mecha with a battleship for a hat. Normal is not my concern here.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:09 / 24.04.07
The odd combination of juvenile storyline and "mature" (i.e. puerile, but definitely not for teatime) content is one I've noticed in other shows - given time, I'd like to work up something on the topic worthy of inclusion in our Anime Primer thread.

This show, though, is one I'm already finding enormously entertaining, if more simplistic than one would hope for from a Gainax production. While it's true that as we know from other of their series, the show's tone may well turn on a dime some way down the run, for now I'm content to appreciate Gurren Lagann just for its sheer id-driven joys.

Thinking about it, this could well be the show that breaks anime for the rest of the board: MODOK, transforming mecha, urgent thrusting Ruts-soundalike theme music, an unapologetically swishy gay male character, malevolent furries.... Come one and all!

Plus, the fansub group responsible for my copy have done a great job with the dialogue - some of Kamina's in-fight trash talk had me rolling.

Viral (man-beast bad guy): "Well bravo. You didn't run away after all, human."
Kamina: "And you didn't run away either, you racially-confused bastard."

And following the somewhat gracelessly executed combination team-up (shades of MechaShiva):

"Listen to me, you fucking furry! A unification is when two souls collide into one!"

Viral: "You're a man in the highest category of morons."

Want to watch it again now. Be on later, BSG!
 
 
This Sunday
19:19 / 24.04.07
Is the cursing a translation issue? Sort of how fansubbers used to drop 'fuck's liberally through any given 'Dragon Ball Z' episode?

Just curious. Especially since Japanese has so few really good cursewords. But just enough to make my 'manko kurosai' joke both hilarious and proof that deep down I'm not a very good person.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
19:36 / 24.04.07
Transfer, which group was that? I was looking for downloads and the sheer number of different people subbing just made my brain scream and shut down. I reverted to Crunchyroll because they decided for me.

Kamina is an amazing character, I loved his bull-headed confidence that Simon's piloting the robot was just because it was really easy.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:49 / 24.04.07
The fansubbers' group is called N y o r o n (I'm neither rendering the name in an easily Googleable form nor linking to their site as I don't know if I could get the 'Lith in trouble that way; fansubbing is after all illegal, immoral and turns your pee purple).

Re: the possibility of all the swearing being down to over-excited translators, that hadn't really occurred to me. I guess I'm just inured to it in my anime by now, after all this very week in Bleach a character responded to having an arm unexpectedly chopped off with an entirely reasonable cry of "SHIT! SHIT! SHIT!"
 
 
Seth
09:19 / 28.04.07
I'm avoiding reading this thread until I'm all up to date. Truth be told I'm having real problems with the torrents. The AVI for the first episode is glitching all over the shop, the MKVs are glitchridden in other ways. Still trying and really excited to see it.
 
 
Nocturne
17:49 / 01.05.07
I'm really enjoying this one, though I'll agree with Mysterious that it does seem simplistic. Perhaps that will change over time; I've only watched up to the fourth episode thus far.

I think the swearing thing might be a fansub issue. The sub I got wasn't unusually profane. That said, a friend of mine suggested that fansubs and scanlated manga are usually (somewhat) censored compared to the origional. If there's anyone here who is bilingual Japanese/English and can comment, it would be greatly appreciated

Is there someone here familiar enough with Gainax's other works to compare this to them, and suggest what the studio is trying to do with this? I've only seen FLCL and Eva, and neither of those seem to be for as young an audience as this one. Are they aiming for a new audience? Have they done something for children before?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
16:13 / 02.05.07
Apparently the Japanese audience were so offended by the stylistic change in episode 4 that Gainiax have dropped it's director from the rotating pool.

Apparently they are trying their hand at being concilliatory recently after people found comments from Gainax staff wishing disgusting Otaku's dead, to which a Gurren Lagann producer replied that 2ch was like an anus.

I like drama, Gainax seem good at it.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
16:26 / 02.05.07
I also stumbled across this image of Leeron cosplaying Eureka, which I thought I'd share.

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

I cannot get the horrifying make-up catastrophe out of my head now.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:18 / 02.05.07
Oddly I was about to say that the direction in episode four was one of my favourite things about the show to date, with the distinctively animated close-ups of Kamina and new blonde dude (can't recall his name, but I hereby christen him 'Jim Corr' thanks to his tendency to hide behind his three lovely sisters) getting in each other's face.

The fact that Japanese viewers can and do form sneering and premature judgements of hot new shows just like "we Westerners" do struck me as genuinely novel for some unknown and frankly indefensible reason - perhaps it's just that every Japanese person I've encountered to date has seemed so open and positive in comparison with my own jaded lower middle class English peer group, that I never suspected their society of harbouring anyone with teh sheeple-esque misanthropic tendencies. What an absurdly specific unexamined prejudice to hold.

As an aside, the Wikipedia entry on 2ch, with which I wasn't familiar until now, does read like high-octane nightmare fuel for anybody worried about declining standards of discussion in online communities. Never let the Stevegarden sink to such levels!
 
 
Seth
08:17 / 03.05.07
I too loved the look of episode four.

Really enjoying this show so far, I've just seen episode five. Part of the pleasure is not having a clue where it might go next. It's meticulously set up all the standard elements and is having fun playing at the moment, but the mythology behind the show (if there even is one) could be anything.

Besides the hilarious overdriven fanservice and ludicrous design work, I have to say that Kamina is one of my favourite characters from any show in quite some time. He's like Gunbuster II's Nono in his beautifully simplistic outlook combined with Calvin & Hobbes' Spaceman Spiff or Duck Dodgers. This may be an alarming revelation, but I actually find myself agreeing with half of the anti-philosophy he spouts about the pitfalls of thinking and pig headedly aiming for the impossible. Plus anyone who self-identifies as Lord Kamina instantly belongs in the cooler than cool category occupied by characters like The Dude.

He has all the best lines:

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I AM KICK?!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
09:23 / 03.05.07
Episode five has been subbed already?? Things sure are moving fast.

The name 'Kamina', incidentally, translates as 'name of the gods', so I guess the guy has no choice but to be an overconfident egomaniac. The fact that he had his mecha redesigned to look more like him says it all.
 
 
Seth
09:43 / 03.05.07
That's another thing I've loved so far, the admiration that Kamina has for the expression on the faces of the Ganmen. That stoic poker face fighting countenance seems to set a fire in his heart, no wonder he wants his to look like him. Brilliant.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
10:07 / 03.05.07
Gainax staff wishing disgusting Otaku's dead

Studio Gainax do seem to have a rather adversarial relationship with their fan base, do they not? As evinced in, for example, the scene with Shinji standing by Asuka's hospital bed at the start of EoE, which allegedly represents Anno's disgusted riposte to fans using his beloved characters as fantasy love dolls in the mushrooming Eva hentai cottage industry.

Talk like this should probably go in the Anime Primer thread, on balance.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
10:16 / 03.05.07
(Thanks for keeping my erroneous apostrophe intact, dude)
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
14:57 / 03.05.07
Pas de probleme.

I just now realized how jelly-like my worries above about linking to fansub sites must appear, given that we have several links of that kind on our other anime threads, notably that for Bleach, and no one here has so far been subject to any Operation Ore-style dawn raids. Joined up thinking hard.
 
 
Seth
20:50 / 10.05.07
Here's the full story on the Gurren-Lagann controversy. Sorry if you've already read it.

Man, Gainax really do know how to split an audience. They've attained masterclass status in pissing people off.

Episode 6 is out for download.
 
 
Seth
20:51 / 10.05.07
Is anyone else not seeing that image in the first post, by the way? If not can it be fixed?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:57 / 10.05.07
I could see it, until I got rid of my cookies. I'll have a look for another image and put in a mod request.
 
 
Seth
22:43 / 10.05.07
What.

The.

Fuck.

Erm...

What the fuck?

Ah.

Um.

Whut.

Spleh.

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I AM???!!!OBI-WAN??!!

Eh?

Nothing can quite prepare you for Gurren-Lagann episode six.

In which.

Um... there really is a need for some spoiler space here for once.

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Our heroes visit the bath house from Spirited Away in which they are are serviced by Rei, Asuka, Nono and Lark, there's huge recapping of past material, painful anal sex that leaves one character almost unable to walk, some ridiculously positioned comedy objects to hide Kamina and Simon's tackle, and the entire thing ends with a Yoko titty flash.
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I just watched that twice in a row with my jaw on the floor both times. That was the most Gainax single episode I've ever seen and I can't imagine the message boards staying quiet for it.
 
 
Seth
22:46 / 10.05.07
It's so good to be alive in 2007.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:57 / 10.05.07
Yuh-huh.

um...

We are onto something quite special here.

Gainax have big burning spirit balls don't they?
 
 
Seth
23:10 / 10.05.07
Third time through (skipping the recap bits)...

... that just doesn't get any easier. I missed Kamina getting showered in the girl's underwear at the end.

What in the Blue Hell is this show?

What have they wrought upon us?

Now I won't be able to sleep tonight. I feel like I'm on E.
 
 
Seth
23:28 / 10.05.07
According to the Arlong Park forum posters Gainax have gone on record on their blog as stating that the huge recap in the second half the the show is hastily reused material because the sheer amount of bath house nudity was too strong for its 0800 slot on TVTokyo.

Let me repeat that.

This show airs at eight in the morning.

Enjoy GMTV.
 
 
Seth
23:56 / 10.05.07
 
 
Seth
00:10 / 11.05.07
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
09:51 / 11.05.07
Gahh, urgh. For some reason the Nyoron subs I began with have switched to a nine-foot high scarlet font that blots out half the screen, making the show unwatchable. Crunchyroll is my backup, but qualitywise it's like watching through a Vaseline snorkel so I missed a good 50% of what was reported above. What version are you guys watching?
 
 
Seth
12:17 / 11.05.07
The Nyoron fansub, the HQ mkv one. None of the others work on my laptop besides the HQ.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
15:21 / 11.05.07
Aha! It was just an issue with the media player app after all. Thanks.

That was very silly, and nearly as sexy as silly. The cheek of including vast chunks of flashback to pad out the episode being justified by the fact that Kamina can't remember half of what's happened since they left home nearly made up for not having a full 25 minutes of new material. On the other hand, considering what was shown... what can the unbroadcast content have been like??

I love being an ignorant non-Japanese person, since I'm now wondering if the 'rising sun' effect accompanying Yoko's bikini breakdown was a visual pun in its own right (the name Yoko meaning 'sun child'). I'm going to make highly academic comments like that for the rest of this thread to in order to conceal how wicked hot I find her. She keeps a pistol in her ponytail!

More Kamina battlin' bullshit gold this week:

"A shock to the ears! A shock to the eyes! The force of our resistance burns Ganmen to cinders!"
"A man's wrath... comes to a rolling boil!"
"Don't we throw away the impossible and kick reason to the kerb?!"


Words to live by, those.
 
 
Seth
22:06 / 16.05.07
Seven's up, you televisually confused bastards.
 
 
This Sunday
22:12 / 16.05.07
Don't we throw away the impossible and kick reason to the kerb?!" combined with your new name wants me to put this on a t-shirt with Justy Tylor doing his end-credit swagger and that line underneath. It's mixing series, but, yeah it's mixing series.

Talking with someone who does translation work for Japanese films, they've said from what they've seen of the series, the swearing in some fansubs is a bit exaggerated, yes. Although poop/shit isn't as offensive, apparently, in Japan as it is in the english language... where it's not really offensive but wouldn't show up in a childrens' show, certainly.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:25 / 16.05.07
I KNOW! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I AM!!!!!!!!!

I started the download 9 hours ago and it still isn't finished yet. 3 hours to go.

I'm burning with the soul of a man.

University internet connections lack fighting spirit.

[+] [-] I'm loving this screencap.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:26 / 16.05.07
God-damn that HTML took for-fucking-ever.
 
 
Nocturne
23:27 / 16.05.07
Thanks for taking the time though, Seth.

Still in the process of downloading ep. six. I was waiting for a different fansub group, but they're still stuck on five. Guess I'll have to give in and go with Nyoro~n. Hopefully this one works better than the first one I got from them.

The Gainax drama must be good publicity for the show. As if the bathhouse ep wasn't enough

Edit: wasn't Seth, it was Pacific State. Boy do I feel dumb. Thanks though.
 
  

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