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Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann

 
  

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Essential Dazzler
21:45 / 23.07.07
GaH LaK TuS
 
 
Bandini
07:37 / 01.08.07
Episode 18 - WOW!

Anyone still watching. So much going on. The series has taken a completely different route.

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How does everyone feel about Rossiu, is he power mad or is he doing what he thinks is right?

Has Simon lost it?

Are they going to have to abandon Earth?

Did Lord Genome act in the right way or was there an alternative?

New mechas!
 
 
Seth
07:23 / 03.08.07
I've finally caught up... and it's dazzling entertainment. Absolutely fucking brilliant stuff.

Rossiu certainly seems to be doing what he thinks is right. The crucial moment for him here was when he faced the demonstration outside the Government offices... I was actually on the edge of my seat, willing him not to give the order to open fire. I was very proud of him when he didn't. And he's right. Politically someone has to take the fall for what's happened, and that can only be one person. Simon's fiance is leading the enemies, Simon has been their leader up this point, and although the mass destruction wasn't wholly Simon's fault he was about the only human who could be held responsible for it. As to his aims with the Spiral King and the bio-computer... again, Rossiu may be acting covertly but I believe he's trying to do what he believes is right. Would anyone else have gone that far for answers, would anyone else have sought them in the dead enemy?

I loved the callback to his underground life in how Simon judged him to be handling the census. And I also loved Viral as the revolutionary leader. Poor old Viral, he's destined to be TTGL's very own Abarei Renji - the misunderstood fan favourite with his own inscrutable code of honour, cursed to get humiliated and have his ass handed to him by every major character. Next episode is clearly the trial, and I can see him and Simon getting cosy in a cell together... will he tell Simon the secrets entrusted to him by the Spiral King? Will they end up working together?

On another note... Simon's drill is destined to break through the heavens. There are now other dimensions involved. We've had the episode six Gainax/Spirited Away bath house Crisis of Infinite Anime free-for-all, which made me suspicious at the time that we were in for some meta meta meta hi-jinks. And the recap episode certainly *showed the writer's hand* in a very graphic and non-animated manner. The last barrier that Simon will destroy with his drill that pierces the heavens... will it be the fourth wall?
 
 
Seth
07:25 / 03.08.07
Oh, and which translation do people recommend? I've caught up but wonder what I'm missing, as I don't rate the one I'm watching (Bullet Speed Subs & Anon).
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
16:29 / 03.08.07
BSS&A are below par it's true, but the only sub I've been able to find since Nyoron knocked theirs on the head. Maybe I'll have another look.

I think the series is taking a braver than average tack, after fifteen or so episodes exalting the virtues of blind faith, acephalic striking out into the void and visionary optimism, in suddenly putting us in Rossiu's shoes and stating that caution, strategy, realpolitik and unpleasant sacrifices are what's really needed now. The set up of heroically gung-ho Simon and his mighty mecha onslaught versus cowardly bureaucrats has been so well undermined I can't wait to see how the imminent show trial pans out.

For all that, Simon has been allowed to remain the undoubted hero and our sympathies are with him all the way - his perplexity at suddenly emotionless Darq Nia was verging on heartbreaking. A team-up with Viral would be very welcome, as anime has a long and noble tradition of minor bad guys, once the bigger threats above them show their true colours, becoming staunch allies. Not that we're likely to see Renji-like depths of characterisation in a short series like this one, but even so.

Re: the meta issues, whatever the creators' intentions it certainly seems as though the 'One Ring' theory advanced about the series prologue is looking more and more credible, with the huge expodump this episode concerning the 'Spiral Knights'. I'm sensing a callback to Gunbuster with the theme of pestilential humanity being attacked by the mindless galactic immune system - something you can also find in novelist Alastair Reynolds' Inhibitors, and the scenario of humans forcibly primitivised to keep us out of the hair of warring alien gods is right out of Stephen Baxter's Xeelee stories. (I sometimes wonder about the influence of English-language sci-fi on anime creators and what the hell they make of it after it's been through the language and cultural membranes.)

Best daft Gainax callback theory I've heard: Yoko leaving on her hoverbike last episode was a reference to the end of FLCL. Ehh, maybe.

What else? Well, the CGI and animation in general for the last few episodes have been the bomb. The 'Mugan' ('Faceless' - what's with the whole subtheme about faces in this show anyway?) invaders, and the oh-so-pretty polygonic spree when they get blown up, are a perfect example of how to use CGI well - make it as obtrusive, unnatural and forced as possible. And the secondary characters remain a joy - I loved teenage Gimmy and Darry upsetting expectations by being wiser and more level-headed than Simon, the tech-savvy couple with their subdued kids, and permanently pissed-off Kittan. Share the Kittan love!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:08 / 03.08.07
Actually, screw all the CGI. This moment is the heart of #18.

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So cold, so hopeless, so perfect.

(Your humble poster: so drunk.)
 
 
Seth
19:40 / 09.08.07
Y'all still with us?

Nineteen seemed to be a temporary holding pattern, although we did learn a lot about Rossiu's capacity to go to extremes. It seems I was wrong about him. Sentencing Simon to execution and endorsing the suicide bomb plan are both further than I thought he'd go.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
09:56 / 14.08.07
Kittan fans, Episode 20 is your time to shine.

I'm continually finding this show extremely difficult to talk about, even making baseless specualtion is difficult for me, because it refuses to do what I tell it. I like to be right occaisionally.

One more go though. Lord-Genome's going to get his ego back and use Arc-Gurren for it's proper Spiral Knight purposes isn't he? Please? he must!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
10:33 / 14.08.07
Srsly, Lordgenome HAS to be a threat again at some point, simply because I'm a sucker for scenarios where the defeated villain helpfully offers up all his secret knowledge and equipment for the naive good guys to use so they'll become dependent on it and vulnerable and ripe for devastation at the perfect moment. (Read Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky for a terrific [inverted] example of this kind of plot. Read it anyway if you have any yen for the breezeblock genre of sci-fi space opera but would prefer good characterisation and slightly less of the right-wing unpleasantness.) There again, he doesn't even need to do anything as Rossiu's 'destroy the human race in order to save it' school of forward planning is exactly like his own.

I didn't get to write about #19 due to pressing RL concerns. I loved, loved the characterisation of Rossiu in this episode and thought it was a genuine example of credibly ambiguous motivation; the queasily ill-defined relationship between Rossiu and Kinon, to the extent that she's willing to become a hostage-cum-suicide bomb for his sake, suggests that his efforts to eradicate the cult of personality in post-Kamina humanity and replace it with rational politics were always bound to fail.

Kittan fans, Episode 20 is your time to shine.

You got me. I am Kittan's #1 fan and predictably went gaga for his titanium-testicled facing down of the Mugan flier with just a shotgun and bandolier - so much so that the reappearance of the Ganmen was almost an anticlimax.

And we haven't even talked about Kiyon's googly baby, that whole crazy homoerotic Oz of Dr Moreau prison-fight storyline, Leeron's continued and brilliant habit of hiding conspiratorial cleverness behind vapid flirtation, the frankly Invader Zim-level daftness of the falling moon scenario, the taxi on legs and eek! Yoko Sanjo!

LOVE AND ROCK, PEACE!
 
 
Essential Dazzler
10:42 / 14.08.07
I would rather Lord Genome not come back as a threat to be honest.

If he was truly honest in his reasoning for keeping humanity underground, to protect them from the Anti-Spirals, and really had spent his life with the Spiral-Knights until they quit then it makes sense.

"We can never beat the anti-spirals, I'll save everyone by keeping them underground!"

"Crap, you guys, you've killed me, stuck my head in a giant ship and triggered the apocalypse I was trying to prevent all along! Guess you've left me no choice than to indulge in some burning manly spirit type action and kill some anti-spirals, if only Kamina was in the Spiral Knights we would never have given up in the first place!"

Am I mis-remebering anything, or just plain making stuff up?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
11:07 / 14.08.07
I don't think you are, if anyone is then I am. I'm just hung up on dastardly final boss figures which are honestly essential to shows like this one, and I don't see Ninjatronic Nia as filling that role. At least I hope not because she's too lovely.

Holy crap, watching anime will make you write stuff like that in public and think nothing of it.
 
 
Razor Wind
23:00 / 14.08.07
So shallow. Out of all the hot-bloodedness of ep. 20 (Rossiu starting to crack,Leeroy coming on to him,the return of the Ganmen etc.),you know what made me clasp my hands together in sheer joy?

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And we get to see a delicous-looking Yoko-sensei in the next episode *drool*.
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Gainax really knows its audience :-P.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:21 / 20.08.07
Drama on the fan-sub front. After the series was licensed only three fan-sub groups were left, Order, Anon, and Bullet Speed Subs.

Shortly after, Anon and BSS merged. BSS have been putting out the very low quality subs you've been seeing recently, priding themselves on only taking a few hours after the RAW is released to get them done. This week however, they've decided they don't want to do speed subs anymore, so everyone had to wait an extra day for low-quality subs.

Of course, this being the internet, BSS got trolled to the maximum over the delays, and in response they're going on holiday for two weeks. So we won't see any subs from them until a few days after episode 23 has aired.

And they've threatened to delay continously until the trolling dies down.

And Order, the only other group released their sub of 13 three weeks ago. We're in for a bit of a drought


In other news, 21 was really good wasn't it?
 
 
Seth
11:45 / 21.08.07
21 was sheer unadulterated joy from start to finish. From the moment that the Ganmen attacked and Yoko marched into her house, hitting the panel on the wall that spun around to reveal her ludicrous ordinance, to her appearance back in the bikini revealing her other ludicrous ordinance, to her FLCL referencing scooter and her Gunbuster II referencing teacher's outfit, to the team up of Simon and Viral behind the controls of Gurren-Lagann, to the first "Who the fuck to you think I am?" in many an episode, to the sheer joy of the unquestioned mission of stopping the moon falling to earth without any kind of plan at all, to the closing theme which is rapidly becoming my favourite song of all time (LOVE AND ROCK, LOVE AND ROCK, PEACE!)... this series is such a fucking blast, so full of win and kick ass awesome that it somehow breaks beyond that and into the realm of the totally profound.

Loved the return of the idiotic over the top fan service. Not because of any kind of titillation factor. Cartoon risque just isn't my thing (although Simon certainly looked HOTT in that skin-tight vest). It's hard to put into words just how the fan service operates in Gurren-Lagann... they take it so far, make it so extreme, overload it in such an unselfconscious manner that it somehow makes you both laugh and cheer, especially when our scantily clad heroes proceed to blow up everything.

Getting naked and trashing stuff. I can identify with that a lot.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:52 / 21.08.07
ROCK.



ROCK.



WHO THE ROCK.



I take back everything negative I ever said about this show. I haven't had such a good twenty minutes since, well Crystal Castles last Friday in point of fact, but on TV? Fucknose.

It's gonna be a long cold wait while the fansub wars die down.
 
 
Seth
22:39 / 21.08.07
I feel so privileged to have this in my life.
 
 
Razor Wind
23:57 / 22.08.07
This felt like coming home to find a wild party being held by your old friends in your honour. And it was awesome;emphasis on the 'awe' — the only way I could have been more exhilarated was if I was blasting off with them. I nearly wept MANLY TEARS of joy.

(Yoko-centric post coming. Prepare yourself)

I agree with Seth's comments on the fanservice,though it does work on me.
I felt a bit dirty for ogling Yoko...then I remembered how Yoko's boobs were presented in damn near every shot,pre- and post-bikini,and went back to leering at her like every other male in it :-P (I could swear they slipped an extra jiggle in there in the prison sequence).

Items of personal note: Yoko in Gendo glasses; her throwing chalk to distract them when they're reading about the history she helped make; the little smile when she talked about Simon (commence shipping. First girl wins,after all) and all the other stuff that Seth pointed out.

One more thing. If she was only at that school for a year,what was she doing for the previous 5 or 6 years?

I feel so privileged to have this in my life.
Truth. Having that twenty minutes of kick-arse to look forward to makes it all worthwhile.
 
 
Seth
18:07 / 27.08.07
Oh my fucking God.

Ark-Gurren-Lagann just punched a hole through Space-Time.

John Lennon realised he was in love with Yoko Ono when he climbed the ladder of one of her scultpures in order to read one single word inscribed in minute handwriting on the ceiling.

That word was, "Yes."

Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann is one universe sized shout of triumph and affirmation. This show is eating everything else on telly alive right now.

Every critical faculty has just been blown out of the window. Just... wow.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:11 / 27.08.07
The confrontation with Nia was so wonderful - Simon putting everything on the line to persuade Nia that she was really on their side all along. Without even flagging it up the show has just given us the point at which Simon surpassed Kamina, who would have been totally paralyzed by a situation where logic was required. Is it my imagination or is that kind of theme to be found in every Gainax production, indeed in any anime worth watching - that the bad guys are only bad by misunderstanding?

Whatever, you have to love the progressive upping of the stakes this show indulges in. Punched our enemies out of time/space itself? Turned the ark of the human race into a mother-huge battle mecha? Done the same for the goddamn moon? And now the entire galaxy is about to be attacked by the forces of Anti-Life? Bring it the fuck on!

"Our true opponents have yet to be invented, and it is up to us to seek them out, to join battle with them on the far side - the infantile side - of things." - Raoul Vaneigem

The mark of the very best TV shows is perhaps that you feel like you're on the screen while you're watching them. TTGL feels like that and more.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:29 / 27.08.07
Oh, and the word is that 40% of the total series budget has been spent on the final story arc.

It has so been worth it.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
00:04 / 28.08.07
WOO.

Christ.

I've made more noise for this show than I have at most gigs I've been to.

I seem to recall someone somewhere likening each arc as representing the most significant super-robot anime from each decade, or part thereof. With the final arc being Eureka Seven, love conquering all. I'll see if I can track down the whole list from somewhere.



Best wild speculation I've heard involves Simon drilling though space-time into other realities and recruting the Eva units, Battlefleet Exelion and The Buster Corps to defeat the Anti-Spirals.
 
 
Razor Wind
15:10 / 28.08.07
I'm beyond shouting now. I'm just staring open-mouthed at the screen at the power levels that are so much OVER 9000 it's almost anti-climactic.

Every critical faculty has just been blown out of the window. Just... wow.

Not in my case :-(. It was just...I know you're not supposed to analyse a show like this too closely,but the tension,and the willing suspension of disbelief,was broken by the offhand revelation that the moon was another one of Lord Genome's toys,with a handy Gurren-Lagann-shaped plug.
That was a step too far for me,even with the rule of cool in full effect.
Don't take it the wrong way — it's still awesome. I'm just wondering how they're going to top this credibly.

Best wild speculation I've heard involves Simon drilling though space-time into other realities and recruting the Eva units, Battlefleet Exelion and The Buster Corps to defeat the Anti-Spirals.

This would be how;massive injections of cool :-).
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:19 / 03.09.07
Episode 23 will rock your face.

An end to Rossiu story, and the final evolution for the Gurren-Brigade. New costumes for all.

Pure Anime Dinner. I'm all full-up.
 
 
Seth
12:35 / 04.09.07
Yeah, 23 was wonderful. The sequence in which Simon broke through space time in the Gurren-Lagann in order to save Rossiu from suicide had me crying, especially when he leaps from the cockpit to deliver the kind of uplifting motivational smackdown that Wayne Coyne once gave to Steve Drozd.

The flags had me snuffling too.

Three more to go. I'm really going to miss this when it's done.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
13:18 / 04.09.07
4 more.

It's officially 27 episodes now.

Re-watching, it was impossible to pick out my favourite moment. Dyakka and Kiyoh's moment, the return of the flag, the final roll call, Leeron's dumbed down science lessons, "Clench those teeth, Rossiu"...


Actually, I think that's it right there.

CLENCH THOSE TEETH!
 
 
Seth
13:23 / 04.09.07
Yeah, clench those teeth was fantastic.

Agreed on the cut-the-crap technobabble. What it all boils down to: FIGHTING SPIRIT and LOVE WILL CHANGE THE WORLD.

27? I am so impressed.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:10 / 04.09.07


Bloody hell. It's all gone a bit Captain Harlock.

My acknowledged habit of overthinking my posts has been shown the flaming door by this show. I'm right behind Seth's comment on the service - it's just so all-pervasive it becomes just another part of the supreme joyful righteousness on display, so singling out Yoko for attention seems kind of pointless nowadays. Everyone in their new space outfits looks like the KING OF SUPER HOT. (Even Viral. Especially Viral.)

For all that I laughed a lot at this moment:



Hyper Manly Nosebleed!
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
20:20 / 04.09.07
Oh, and someone on the animesuki.com forums came up with this, which is worth sharing:



SOS-Dan X Dai-Gurren-Dan = UNLIMITED WIN.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:16 / 04.09.07
RE: The King Of Super-Hot thing, Gurren-Lagann is joining Buffy, The X-Files and Six Feet Under on my list of shows I would have relations with very single cast member of.
 
 
Razor Wind
22:19 / 04.09.07
It's just completely ridiculous. I see what you're saying about it being nothing but a joyful,"Yes!",but I can't care or get nervous without some bitter logic and tension to placate my critical side. I need reasons and answers and limits,dammit. :-/

Good things:
Rossiu's visit to the village and subsequent rescue,even if that punch had the same undertone of simple violence as Kamina's.
Leeroy loves messing with people's minds,doesn't he?

It annoys me that they got flashy new sentai-style outfits and didn't bother to tell us why.
I even got annoyed at Yoko's new outfit,because I had exactly the same reaction to it as Kittan(?) - it just crossed the line that had been set and became noticeable fanservice again.

Still loving it,but that damn always-on criticism keeps bothering me :-)
 
 
Seth
02:00 / 05.09.07
Turn it off dude. Just run with the kick ass.

It annoys me that they got flashy new sentai-style outfits and didn't bother to tell us why.

The only *why* that you need to know is that it's a visual cue to show us that we're back where the first scene of the first episode started. Simon standing on the bridge, surrounded by infinite enemies, daring the entire universe to fight him if they think they're hard enough.

Gurren-Lagann is so spectacularly brainless that you'll miss its profundity if you waste too much time thinking about it in depth.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:24 / 05.09.07
Yeah dude! Save yr politically correct logical argument/nitpicking for Facebook. Here on Barbelith it's all about the LOVE.

No! Matter and anti-matter universes colliding! Mustn't... let them... touch!

Razors, I promise no one is having a go, it's just that we're surprised you would think TTGL's creators need something so base as a reason to suddenly dress the whole cast in stylin' new space gear. It's just furniture, or more pertinently a punctuation mark in the narrative as Seth said. What's important is that when scenes come along like Simon's speech to Rossiu this week, or the confrontation with Nia inside the moon, the show makes us believe in the reality of what the characters are saying and feeling. I do, and I think everyone here does. It's what Gainax do: patently unbelievable fourth-wall-puncturing physics, fashions and mise-en-scene coupled with rock solid, heartfelt characterisation. If you know the shows well, I recommend our thread on Gunbuster I & II for more discussion of their approach; if not, be sure to check them out for some of the greatest anime ever made.

Say, Pacific:

RE: The King Of Super-Hot thing, Gurren-Lagann is joining Buffy, The X-Files and Six Feet Under on my list of shows I would have relations with very single cast member of.

Didn't you miss something off that list? Renji Abarai is feeling kinda hurt now....
 
 
Razor Wind
16:54 / 06.09.07
Ah,sorry. I was talking about my own self-criticism.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
18:00 / 09.09.07
I'm in despair!

2KB/s torrent speeds have left me in despair!
 
 
Seth
19:40 / 09.09.07
Eh? 24's not out yet, is it?
 
  

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