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Doctor Who Season 3 UK (No Spoilers)

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18:42 / 23.04.07

Cross post with Our Lady!

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:17 / 23.04.07

So, what's the tower for, to broadcast evil thought beams over New York and make humanity their slaves, or to try and contact someone in outer-space? Are they trying to open another rift like the one at Canary Wharf, are there more void ships that didn't come through, or are they trying to contact all the Daleks that came out of the prison ship and are presumably floating in the void?

Oh, Lady, tragically we're not allowed to speculate!!! Sucks, I know.

I really liked that one. I didn't know it was the first of a two-parter, so that was cool too. Having seen the last Dalek evolution, though, I'm gonna be horribly disappointed if the Doctor doesn't get into a protective suit and take its face off with a crowbar. "What's your name REALLY, Doctor?" "Um, well, it's Gordon, actually".

Overall, though, very good. Dalek fanwank aside, I'm liking Martha more and more with each episode- I love that "oh for fuck's sake, this is just MENTAL!!!" face that she does, compared to Rose's sensawunda. And Tennant is still rockin' the fuckin' house. The gurning seems to have been toned down too- I didn't have too much of a problem with it, though I could have foreseen it becoming an annoyance, but thus far it seems to have been nipped in the bud.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

04:42 / 24.04.07

Oops, my bad. Still, at least I didn't point out that, needing money, Dalek Sec is going to invent rock and roll thirty years early and that most of part two is taken up with his cover of 'Jonny B. Goode'.

11:30 / 24.04.07

the pigs troubled me, even for a species that has a history of rubbish servants...my fanwank is...
that pigs are to humans as humans are to Daleks in terms of flesh compatability (Emprors comments in first season that only one human cell in 1,000 was fit to be dalek could well be religious mania), hence Sec being the 'final' experiment
or
the cult Daleks have evolved a sense of humour/torture as a result of trying to think like other species. the second is worrying, actively sadistic daleks

13:24 / 24.04.07

One wonders why they didn't just use Robo-men.

Robo-men in big shiny steel trilbys!

Even ones with rotating radar dishes would be more low-key than pigstrosities.

13:40 / 24.04.07

I'm just disappointed that they didn't call the pig-men Hogrons.

14:03 / 24.04.07

Interesting also that you're suggesting he's really a "doctor" in some broad sense!

I always see the Doctor like that. The universe is his patient.

The Tardis/White Blood Cell thing is actually the start-off point of the epic post-RTD/Time War run that I would be heading up, in my perfect world.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:19 / 28.04.07

It's rare that I say this, but for that little speech Solomon really deserved to die.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:30 / 28.04.07

Well, thank god the second episode of this acknowledged the insanity of Sec's plan. There were some nice moments but in the end it didn't quite manage to sustain it's own dramatic weight.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:32 / 28.04.07

Oh, and points off for reusing the plot of Evil of the Daleks and seeming cheap.

17:43 / 28.04.07

Well, if you are going to redo/homage/rip off an old dalek story you might as well do one that no longer exists in the BBC archive...

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

22:25 / 28.04.07

Hmmm, I wonder if five minutes after Dalek Khan said 'temporal shift' it was kicking itself when it realized that what it really should have said was 'Exterminate'?

22:30 / 28.04.07

I enjoyed this a lot more than part one. There was an excessive amount of material thrown at the screen, to see what would stick, but I felt that most of it worked fairly well. The episode also produced one of the best moments this season.

Daleks Thay and Jast dragging Sec behind them in chains, while the Dalek theme played uproariously in the background. It was totally ridiculous and overblown but it was just so cool.

00:55 / 29.04.07

What would've been nice is if the remaining Dalek from this episode became the one that ran into Eccleston in season one.

Might preclude further Dalek action however.

Liked this episode a lot, much better than it looked from last week. A half-american, half-dalek gangster is a difficult thing to pull off and I wisnae sure from the end of last episode, but it worked out.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

02:18 / 29.04.07

Does the Dalek Theme have lyrics? I could swear they were saying something like "These Are Daleks!"

Our Lady Has Left the Building

10:10 / 29.04.07

After all the hard-work that 'Dalek' had gone to to persuade us that Daleks are now fucking hardcore this episode made them seem unfeasibly weak, even with the whole thing that the Daleks didn't have enough power to take over the planet but to crappily invade a small colony of homeless people. While it was obvious that Sek wouldn't want the Doctor killed there were at least two other occasions when the other Daleks should have been able to kill him.

11:04 / 29.04.07

Does the Dalek Theme have lyrics?

The original Dalek theme, which played during the end of Army of Ghosts, and when the Daleks took Sec on-stage, has lyrics in Aramaic, while the new one, seems to have lyrics that sound like "this is the fall of Dalek." Which, I suppose, makes some thematic sense.

All Acting Regiment

11:39 / 29.04.07

Lovely episode. Thought Sec in chains was ref. to that bit in Tamburlaine the Great. Loved the stage and so on. Super.

Whisky Priestess

17:09 / 29.04.07

For the Dalek theme lyrics I heard "This is the Hu-man Da-lek", and thought it was terribly lame (lyrics not the music), but couldn't be sure.

18:41 / 29.04.07

Of course you could always argue that had dalek Caan made the human dalek hybrids self destruct 5 seconds soner there would be three daleks left instead of one...

miss wonderstarr

19:36 / 29.04.07

I assumed Caan was the DAR-lek?, from the episode "DAR-lek"? I don't know how that works out with time loops and so on, but the Doctor's comment that he was going to see that DAR-lek? again seemed very loaded.

The "Confidential" afterwards about how some lucky elite production crew went to Manhattan for clean shots of Central Park, and then merged in a digital patchwork of 1930s buildings and tree-lines with Cardiff shrubbery, was really very interesting.

19:53 / 29.04.07

I assumed Caan was the DAR-lek?, from the episode "DAR-lek"? I don't know how that works out with time loops and so on, but the Doctor's comment that he was going to see that DAR-lek? again seemed very loaded.

Not sure about that - from the Dr's point of view, he would say he had already seen Caan. It does give the writers some wiggle room if the Nation estate gets ornery, though.

22:30 / 29.04.07

I assumed Caan was the DAR-lek?, from the episode "DAR-lek"? I don't know how that works out with time loops and so on, but the Doctor's comment that he was going to see that DAR-lek? again seemed very loaded.

Not really. The whole "they always survive" thing was repeated constantly throughout these two episodes and that's all that line was - confirmation of that fact.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

05:47 / 30.04.07

Yeah, I personally considered that Caan might be the Dalek from 'Dalek' but i'd rather like it if it wasn't. I liked that the Doctor tried his patented trick of talking the last Dalek into suicide in about 2 minutes, but for once actually failed.

Whisky Priestess

08:43 / 30.04.07

Still don't understand why it didn't shoot the crap out of him though.

I would have. If I was a Dalek. Or if he'd mentioned in passing how AMAAAAAAAAAAZING humans are.

I'd have liked to see the Doctor survive a Dalek blast though. He can't be that physically feak and weeble or else he'd never have
a) survived a fucking LIGHTNING STRIKE or
b) become the Daleks' greatest foe, so why not let him take one in the chest for the team? That I would have been interested to see. Great shock value too.

09:33 / 30.04.07

Theoretically he'd just regenerate.

More likely though he'd lay totally still until Martha ran up to him and cradled his head/gave him CPR and he turned out to be okay.

As has happened in all but one story so far this season.

I didn't think much of this episode at all. I'm becoming bored of the Daleks getting knocked down to near extinction at the end of their story arcs. It was cool when it happened in Rememberance... (Classic Who for the uninitiated), it was okay in the S1 finale. But now it's just the same old same old.

Ignore me, I'm just lamenting for the old days when Dalek appearances were often years apart from each other. I've been over-Daleked.

Whisky Priestess

10:37 / 30.04.07

Theoretically he'd just regenerate.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Ideally into Tilda Swinton.

10:59 / 30.04.07

there was much clunky stuff...and uneccessary clunky stuff
Lazlo saying the pigmen were 'trained killers' then 'totally savage' ? then that 'they'd been trained to tear out throats with their teeth'
that's gotta be a scene for the DVD, Dalek Thay screaming 'Bite! Bite! No not like that! like this...watch me...oh arse' this is the seeds of their discontent with Dalek Sec, the humiliation of training pigmen to bite

but two great bits...'Now what?'
and the Doctor as a toddler!!!!!
Why? Why? Why? You're not my master

it was like me interacting with the boy

maybe this is part of the doctor's human love...we're an infantile species, he's an infantile timelord

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

11:07 / 30.04.07

I suppose one can fanwank something about Caan not shooting the Doctor because it had to conserve all of it's energy for the time jump, from the Doctor's line about the Temporal shifts putting a drain on the batteries. But yes it doesn't make all that much, sense. But then very little about the story actually did. Still it was quite good fun really.

Whisky Priestess

13:07 / 30.04.07

But if he had JUST SHOT the Doctor he wouldn't have NEEDED to temporally shift.

Sometimes I despair of those darn Daleks.

14:08 / 30.04.07

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Ideally into Tilda Swinton.

Now that's a plan!

15:30 / 30.04.07

Any Daleks with (a) time-shifting capabilities, (b) a little basic knowledge of Dalek history, and (c) the slightest bit of survival instinct should immediately time-shift away at the first instant the Doctor's name is even mentioned.

Ex

15:47 / 30.04.07

I suppose one can fanwank something about Caan not shooting the Doctor because it had to conserve all of it's energy for the time jump

Or take the line that the Doctor had indeed talked the Dalek into enough humanity/timelordliness that the Dalek didn't shoot the Doctor on purpose. The little tentacled blob thought: 'I'm the last Dalek, he's the last Time Lord, I already wiped out all those pseudo-dalek-types and my mates are dead - yeah, maybe I'll just push off instead of committing genocide. Today. ONLY TODAY. I am still hard bastard foe of Universe etc obvs TOMORROW.' Or maybe YESTERDAY depending on where he shifts off to.

The 'temporal shift' feels a bit like 'I had my fingers crossed' in a game of playground tag, in a good way. You think you've got them cornered, and then - argh, temporal shift! Not to be overused, but for me it was the right level of sofa-kickingly infuriating.
After all the in-fighting and monotonous snarking amongst the remaining Daleks, I also liked the final Dalek preserving a bit of dignity, refusing to engage with the Doctor and just shifting out of there in a really frustrating fashion.

15:47 / 30.04.07

Pooped its metal pants, innit.

miss wonderstarr

16:19 / 30.04.07

Theoretically he'd just regenerate.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Ideally into Tilda Swinton.

What's bizarre is that even though I knew it wouldn't happen ~ maybe because it would have been such a magnificent shock ~ I was thinking it was almost possible that the lightning blast would cause Tennant to regenerate.

I mean, wouldn't that be great? If we really didn't know whether and when the Doctor was going to die in each season, if any single episode could involve his death and the regeneration of a new Doctor ~ without it ever having been leaked to the press?

I'm sure the experience of watching Doctor Who must have been more like that in the past, without all the press releases and tabloid stories (and internet discussion, natch). And within the story-world, if the Doctor can absorb so much damage and survive (as he has in two episodes this season), how much does it take to "kill" him?

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