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Doctor Who Season 3 UK (No Spoilers)

 
  

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Internaut
18:49 / 07.04.07
i missed four posts in the time it took me to click the "Post Reply" button for my last post:

@sleazenation: about 4 doctors worth, not including Eccelston and Tennants. i realise it might seem like less.

@:Boboss: Shamefully, i didn't look at it from that angle. you're totally correct.

@Both:- i was only talking about this one episode. Magic revealed as science and cackling space witches don't really do it for me.
 
 
Internaut
18:53 / 07.04.07
fuck -- Barbeloids are hugely fast typers.

@All: i realise the stupidity in my post and -- unlikely as it seems in such a small space of time -- look on doctor who in a new light.

i literally thought to myself "fuck me" as it dawned.
 
 
Spaniel
18:53 / 07.04.07
Hey, you're entitled to like what you like, I'm just slightly surprised, given what you've said, that you're watching Dr Who, that's all.

Merging of magic and tech has long been a Dr Who staple. I love it for it's Lovecraftianness.
 
 
Lama glama
18:59 / 07.04.07
Gnargh.

Due to football next week, Doctor Who won't be on 'til 7.40pm.

And, even worse, if the football (Man U v Watford, surely the former will trounce Watford?) goes to extra time, it'll be postponed until the following week. Gnargrrrrhrgh.
 
 
jentacular dreams
19:05 / 07.04.07
I loved it. The episode was much more pop-culture reference heavy than the usual though, which may reflect the writer more than any overall trend (that said, Smith and Jones had a character called stoker, who was killed by what was, essentially a vampire). I especially enjoyed the power of names, which put me in mind of a wizard of earthsea.

But, was it in a way a little too 'safe'? More like an episode built from components of many other new episodes? Witches instead of ghosts or werewolves. A crystal ball instead of a genesis ark. Carrionites instead of Rachnos (the former banished by the 'eternals', the latter by the timelords).
 
 
Lama glama
19:15 / 07.04.07
Speculation here, not spoiler stuff: The Eternals have been name-checked three times now in the new series.

Once in The Satan Pit, once in Doomsday and again today. They're either characters that RTD and company enjoy, and mentioning them provides an easy ambiguous group of entities with a lot of power to do banishing stuff other than the Timelords, or they might be returning some time soon-ish.

Anywho, I do wish the villains would stop being from before the Universe (Beast, Abadon) or from the dawn of the universe (Carrionites, Rachnoss Empress). It's mysterious and ominous sounding the first time, still a little the second time. By the third time they're taking liberties, and by the fourth time it's just incredibly lazy writing.

Still though, fantastic episode.
 
 
sleazenation
19:20 / 07.04.07
Better to say 'During he dark times' or "In unrecorded time"
 
 
Spaniel
19:22 / 07.04.07
I wish every threat didn't threaten the entire planet/yooniverse. It's a too over the top, contrived (see last week's doomsday MRI scanner) and ungrounded , imo.

Not a biggie, tho'
 
 
Internaut
19:26 / 07.04.07
Hey, you're entitled to like what you like, I'm just slightly surprised, given what you've said, that you're watching Dr Who, that's all.

fair enough, although i think what i said has either been misunderstood or distorted.

i was just unhappy with this episode's villains. i know that doctor who has always had the odd historical episode, set in the 1800's or whatever, but i just thought this one was a bit laboured.

Headmice! and Llamas in Manhattan have already mentioned it.

Even although the "Eternals" have already been mentioned twice in episodes that seemed to have some semblance of a good story, added almost as an afterthough, this episode's villains backstory -- thus the villains themselves -- and thus the episode -- seemed to rely heavily on mentioning the Eternals again, and used pop-culture references and snappy dialogue to keep it going. thats my take, at least.


(Obvious)Speculation: The Eternals will probably end up being series' finale idea.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:35 / 07.04.07
I...I just don't like this Doctor...sorry all. I'm glad you are all enjoying it, but for me there is something so wrong in the TARDIS, so wrong in the tapping into the cheesiness of the history of Who, but trying to dress it up in modern new and, gosh darn it, spectacular effects!!!!!

I really want to like it, but it just isn't doing it for me.

In fact, the only moments from the whole of this new Who I've liked have been is Ecclston's run, and mainly the "I'm all sonic-ed up!" kind of fun.

I'd like an episode set entirely in the TARDIS...
 
 
Spaniel
19:49 / 07.04.07
Keir, to be fair, mate, you said you don't tend to like episodes like this because the show's premise demands big guns and shiny spaceships.

I'm not sure you've been misrepresented or misunderstood. I do appreciate, however, that your actual feelings and thinking may not be accurately represented in what you've posted.
 
 
Lama glama
19:52 / 07.04.07
I'd like an episode set entirely in the TARDIS...

I think Boomtown is the closest that an episode of the new series will ever get to an episode set entirely in the TARDIS. Personally, I could do without the TARDIS interior stuff. Talking in the TARDIS is stalling, or cheating the viewer. Outside the doors lie a new world in every episode, but instead the Doctor and companion just hang out talking in the TARDIS. Those episodes were the worst excesses of the classic series, I think. Chris Bidemead stories like Castrovalva and Logopolis, where the writer is obviously more fascinated by the workings of the TARDIS than the viewer is.

The TARDIS should just be a tool from getting to one place to another, but then again, I wouldn't dismiss an episode just because it was set entirely within the TARDIS confines. I'm sure RTD would do something satisfying with it, but I'm sceptical.

There is a first Doctor story set entirely within the TARDIS, though. It's called "Inside the Ship" or, as Wikipedia seems to have it as The Edge of Destruction
 
 
sleazenation
19:54 / 07.04.07
You could always rewatch the 1964 episode The edge of destruction if you want a tardis bound episode, Benny...
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:59 / 07.04.07
Yeah - or those great Tom Baker one's where the Master had somehow got inside the TARDIS in his own TARDIS (might be mis-remembering this somewhat).

I guess what made me say it was that I feel a bit let down by the new TARDIS' design, and also thought one set entirely inside the TARDIS might cut back the SFX!
 
 
Internaut
20:13 / 07.04.07
@Boboss: true. and thanks.
 
 
jentacular dreams
21:08 / 07.04.07
I like the new tardis design.

But then I loved farscape too.
 
 
Triplets
21:44 / 07.04.07
There's a whole world of adventures set entirely in the TARDIS waiting for you Benny in fanfic. Sexy adventures.

Let the internet be your TARDIS!
 
 
iamus
00:50 / 08.04.07
Oh wow. That's was a whole fourteen different kinds of great. I'm really feeling this series so far. There might be a duffer just round the corner, but it seems like they've really hit their stride now. Did this week's guy write previous episodes, or is he a newbie?

Right. First off, one of the main themes I'm picking up for this series is development on last year's Lonely God. The line that stood out the most for me in the first episode was in the Doctor's conversation with vampire lady when she says something about him, um, laughing on purpose at the darkness. Here, it's Shakespeare's line about the Doctor's constant performance. It's definitely something I was feeling last season, but current evidence makes me think they're bringing it to the fore as his character arc this year. I'd hazard it's still a bit early to make a real go of his family stuff this year, so I'm going for this at the moment.

We'll see.

Martha's doing good so far. She might be another present-day cockney girl, but she's definitely her own thing by a mile. Agyeman brings a really good chemistry to the part. Billie Piper was great, but I didn't think that she gelled with Tennent in quite the same way as she did with Eccleston. Martha's a really interesting character. I really liked the scene on the bed, especially when taken with that comment on her MySpace. You can tell she's really going to pull it out of the hat by the end of the season.

Good CGI. Looks like a bit more of a budget this time around. Particularly liked the design of the monster that appeared during the rehersal, and that big mass of them towards the end, swirling in the vortex like a tornado of leathery bats.

Liked the "I might use that" bits. It's such a cliche in this kind of story. So much so that it's pretty much expected. To not just drop it in once, but make a big running gag of it with twists and reversals was a good idea.

Also loved that "57 academics" line.


Feeling very positive about this season, I have to say.
 
 
iamus
00:52 / 08.04.07
The Tardis is totally it's own world. You could set a whole season in there and never run out of stories.

Didn't they say the set was supposed to be getting rebuilt this year, so they had another door in the console room? Not seen any evidence of that yet.
 
 
iamus
00:53 / 08.04.07
God, I love Doctor Who.
 
 
Miss K
08:34 / 08.04.07
God, I love Doctor Who.

Totally agreed
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:40 / 08.04.07
That.
Fucking.
RULED.

Although was anyone else a little perturbed by the fact that Shakespeare was clearly our very own ghadis? It was basically a Haus and ghadis team-up. Which worked well, but was something of a headfuck, as is to be expected.

I'm really liking Martha now, but I'm glad the Doctor's still all angsty about Rose. To do otherwise would be kind of dismissive of the last two wonderful seasons.
 
 
Triplets
14:09 / 08.04.07
Truth. And for those two it really was a two-year long term relationship. Poor git.

It was basically a Haus and ghadis team-up

All we need now is Sleazer as a celebrity guest for a Doctor Who triple threat.
 
 
Lama glama
17:15 / 08.04.07
Didn't they say the set was supposed to be getting rebuilt this year, so they had another door in the console room? Not seen any evidence of that yet.

The set was moved to their new studios, and the TARDIS was indeed rebuilt. However, Phil Collinson has stated that the cost of adding another door and incorporating it into the set was a little too much, so it didn't happen for this season.

Next year, perhaps.

As for the Gareth Roberts query, he's not necessarily a newbie to the show. He wrote some excellent Doctor Who novels lauded for capturing the Tom Baker years' atmosphere excellently. He also did last year's TARDISodes, as well as the interactive adventure featuring the Graske. It was about time for him to get an entire episode, and according to the podcast for last night's show, he'll be doing another next year.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:03 / 08.04.07
I found that episode kind of embarrassing. Constant references to Shakespeare being a genius got my goat as usual and Martha Jones who last week behaved like a normal person is suddenly going for childlike wonder? Was I the only person annoyed by that? I think I just prefer the episodes where they're all a bit stressed.
 
 
Lama glama
19:25 / 08.04.07
I found it a little annoying too, Nina, but not overmuch. I was more annoyed by Martha being shoved into the background to make way for a bigger part for Shakespeare in the ep.

At the end, we have another casual experiment with the audience's preconception of how time travel works. Again, this isn't informed by spoilers, but I suspect that we're going to get more and more of this experimentation with the format. It might at first just be flip and casual, but I really hope that it becomes more important in the last few episodes.

There are some nice fan reviews of this week and last week's episode on David Tennant's official website.(shameless self promotion) Mine is second from the top.(/shameless self promotion)Me=Brendan K.
 
 
sleazenation
19:36 / 08.04.07
I liked the reference to Martha as the 'dark lady' referred to in over two dozen of the Bard's sonnets.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
23:31 / 08.04.07
No, that was a nice reincorporation. I thought it would have been a terrible waste not to have used Martha as the Dark Lady - and that it was a bit of a shame that she refused to snog Will.

And let's face it, that would have been such an inherently good thing, and also a one-up on the Doctor (i.e. "I've got off with William Shakespeare, what more can you offer me?" as opposed to the sub-Top-Gun "Take me now or lose me forever ... Doctor" vibe that seems to be coming to the fore at the moment - although always frustrated by the ghost of Rose ....
 
 
Lama glama
12:33 / 09.04.07
For those who enjoyed Gareth Robert's writing, here is one of his novels, posted for free on the Who web-site.

The Well-Mannered War.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:44 / 09.04.07
I'd recommend keir check out Time's Crucible if ze can find a copy, it might give him some squeee pleasure. It would be nice if they did a show in the TARDIS, I don't know whether there is an idea that the TARDIS is slowly getting more and more difficult to control since the first episode or whether it's just directors and producers trying to make the interior scenes more exciting, based on their belief that every second of story time not on Earth or in Earth orbit the audience is bored rigid.

I really enjoyed Saturday's episode. While I agree with Boboss that there is a problem with each episode threatening either the entirety of space-time or merely to destroy the planet and that something else needs to be done (which is where a story set inside the TARDIS, with no outer ramifications, would do nicely) this was a fun episode, except for the climax. The Doctor has faced magic before, though they usually frame it in Moore's Law terms.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going looking for The Doctor/Shakespeare slash. It's been forty-eight hours since the show aired, there's probably tons that's been written already.
 
 
Internaut
19:05 / 09.04.07
^:thanks -- i'll have a prowl for it.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
10:21 / 10.04.07
Russel wrote a character piece on the Doctor in the 2006 annual which referenced a lot more continuity but did feature an intriguing refernce to the Eternals turning away from our universe. So that's another reference there.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:13 / 10.04.07
Well, wasn't there that story with the Fifth Doctor and bestcompanioneverTurlough which had the Eternals as being pretty much detached from reality anyway? I seem to remember something involving Valentine Dyall being evil and Keith Barron piloting a sailship in deep space.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:20 / 10.04.07
That sounds like the best episode of Duty Free ever.
 
 
sleazenation
17:56 / 10.04.07
I think the story you are referring to is Enlightenment.
 
  

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