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Triplets
23:51 / 18.01.07
Which makes me reconsider something she said last night;

"So who's put the idea of a paternity test into your head then?"

Hoom.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
00:04 / 19.01.07
Honestly, man, there's no guarantee that it's yours even if the date of conception falls within your previous relationship. So, yes, test.
 
 
Triplets
00:12 / 19.01.07
Yeah. There's also the fact that - and I'm ashamed to admit it - that she admitted in the last two months of our relationship that she'd cheated on me in a one-night stand with another lad two/three weeks into us going out.

I forgave her because I couldn't remember if, by that point, we'd official declare exclusivity. And I'm not bothered now to be honest. However, it speaks for potential behaviour and disclosure of information really.
 
 
ibis the being
00:49 / 19.01.07
At the risk of sounding horribly Dr. Phil, I think the best way to proceed is with the (future) child's interests in mind only. If you're going to take any kind of role in the child's life, you'll have to get off the she-cheated-I-heard-from-Larry merry go round. I don't think there's ever been a baby that caused a completely disfunctional relationship to suddenly turn into the Cleaver family just by virtue of being born. No reason you can't coparent (hell, my parents hate each other but have four kids together) but don't use the baby as a license to revive old cycles of manipulation and drama. That means once paternity's settled it ain't your business who she's going to bed with or any of that stuff....
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:57 / 19.01.07
Paternity test or bust I feel.

I think so, yeah. Taking this on trust, you're entering into a situation that's going to alter the rest of your life - if you're offering emotional and financial support for the forseeable future, ie, at least until you're forty, realistically, then a paternity test seems like only a fair thing to ask for now, if there's some doubt.

And there's no reason why you can't be there for her indefinitely as a friend, if the child turns out not to be yours.

Basically, best to know what the relationship's really based on at this stage, I think, rather than a year, or two, or five, or eight, later on.

And all the best, Mr T.
 
 
Spaniel
08:58 / 19.01.07
Also, if there is a chance the bio dad is someone else, he may well want to know his sprog is about to pop into the world. At the very least he would have legal responsibilities.
 
 
Spaniel
09:11 / 19.01.07
Oh, and I just want to second what Grant said - in fact I was going to say it earlier but for some reason didn’t – this isn’t a child we’re talking about, it’s a collection of cells that will likely become a child at some point in the future. I wasn’t in love with the Bosun when he was lurking in the tum. Sure I was excited and curious and looking forward to making a family with a woman I love very, very much, but the amour came later, when I could touch him, and look at him, and have him respond to me. In fact my love for him has grown as he has grown into his personititude.

At this point you’re blinded by your relationship with the mother, don’t let that confuse you into thinking you won’t be able to get emotionally involved with the (future) child if it turns out to be yours, or if you take some role in its upbringing.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:39 / 19.01.07
Update. Just come in from the pub. Ran into her best mate who hadn't been appraised yet that I might be the dad and that I'm gunning for a paternity test.

She just told me that, speaking to S, S hasn't just been with one lad since we broke up she's been with at least 4/5 since the end of November and the beginning of the new year.


Triplets, I'm sorry to have to say this about somebody you once loved and claim still to love, but this woman sounds to me like pure poison. I'm somewhat ashamed to share a sex with her, frankly.

Not only does she appear to be hugely irresponsible, it seems she's also unfaithful, duplicitous and mendacious. I feel you deserve someone light-years better than her behaviour indicates she is. Whatever problems she has absolutely do not entitle her to treat you like, frankly, shit - and dumb shit at that.

My advice to you, if you turn out not to be the father, is to put as much distance between yourself and her as humanly possible, at least for a bit, and try to get your head straight with regard to your self-destructive and apparently irresistible attraction to somebody who treats you so appallingly.

Sorry to be so hardline and all, but, as reported, her actions seem to me to be completely disgraceful. You don't actually have to have a damn thing more to do with her if you are not the father, and from what you have told us here, I would strongly suggest that you consider cutting her out of your life completely.

And huggles. Obviously.
 
 
_Boboss
12:46 / 19.01.07
Trips, a good friend of mine has lived apart from the mother of his child since just after conception*. In fact he can't stand her, but the time, attention and love they've put into parenting has produced a well adjusted, highly intelligent, secure child.

Except for from ‘but the time, attention and love’ onwards, none of the above, from an earlier post, is true. Not really relevant other than for clarity, and perhaps this: if the baby does turn out to be Triplets’ and he decides he does want to do the full on good-dad thing, living under the same roof as the little un in the first year, as the 'good friend' mentioned in fact did, is likely the best way to go.

So she’s on anti-depressants – do you happen to know which ones, and how safe it is to be on them while cooking up a baby? If she’s on some relatively recently-developed, funky, ssri types then, as far as I know, she’s basically using herself as a free testing ground for the medical company’s ‘what this stuff does to a fetus’ stats. Again, perhaps not very relevant except as more fuel for the ‘how irresponsible’ fire - and maybe to help pursue an option that I don’t think has been mentioned yet: given her history and the circumstances of the pregnancy, and if you turn out to be the biodad (the pat. test seems like a better and better idea), And if you decide to go for the dad of the year trophies, then you might well have a case to establish yourself as the primary carer, with preferential custody rights etc. This would put you a bit more in the driver’s seat regarding your choice of living arrangements and things. A long shot I suppose, and still a whole hellish world of hassle, pain and arse. You have my sympathies.
 
 
grant
13:04 / 19.01.07
you might well have a case to establish yourself as the primary carer, with preferential custody rights etc. This would put you a bit more in the driver’s seat regarding your choice of living arrangements and things.

Get grandparents lined up NOW.

They count in these things.

And on a lighter note, Whisky:
I'm somewhat ashamed to share a sex with her, frankly.

You know, that line break made my eyes skip right over the "a," with some rather boggling consequences.
 
 
Spaniel
13:27 / 19.01.07
Gumbitch, they lived together for a year? Fuck, that gobbet of info has been entirely expunged from my brain. Are you sure?

Points I still believe to be true

1. The man in question does not like the woman in question, for she is, or at least used to be, a complete nightmare
2. He didn't live with her throughout the pregnancy
3. Is a good friend of mine (and hates Gumbitch)

Not sure that them living together means it's "likely a good way to go" in Triplet's case, however.
 
 
Spaniel
13:29 / 19.01.07
Grandparents!

Grandparents!

Grandparents!

Grandparents!

(If at all possible)
 
 
Triplets
13:40 / 19.01.07
So she’s on anti-depressants – do you happen to know which ones, and how safe it is to be on them while cooking up a baby?

Not sure which ones but I've asked her and she's not taking her a-d pills through the pregnancy due to her own baby-health fears, which is it's own problem but she is definitely putting the baby first here. In terms of diet and chemical intake she's being good.

I texted her today saying that I'm not comfortable offering support until I see the results of a paternity test and that I'd prefer (knowing that she can be manipulative) less contact as possible. Selfish, maybe.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
14:05 / 19.01.07
I think you should see a lawyer, like, yesterday.

First, the paternity issue; second, the issue of custody if you do turn out to be the dad and the mother isn't fit; third, the paternity issue; fourth, an expert opinion on rights/responsibilities (we're good smart people, but none of us are actually family law practitioners); fifth, the paternity issue.
 
 
Spaniel
14:12 / 19.01.07
I think we do have to be careful about demonising someone none of us know. Also, pregnancy is a difficult time for all involved. A lawyer might be exactly what no one needs.

Let's be a little bit more thoughtful here. This is very sensitive stuff.
 
 
Spaniel
14:13 / 19.01.07
That's not to say that Trips shouldn't see a lawyer, I'm just uncomfortable suggesting that he should
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
14:57 / 19.01.07
I'm not saying a "let's get 'im!" lawyer, but given that this is an affects-the-rest-of-your-life decision, I think consulting with somebody that knows exactly what the legal implications of all the possibilities are is a very good thing.

I can definitely see how "get a lawyer" can be fightin' words, but I was thinking of more the "consult with somebody that knows the law so you know exactly what your position is" thing, rather than the "prepare to take somebody to court" thing.
 
 
Triplets
15:15 / 19.01.07
That's the way I took it. A consultant rather than a legal warrior. Which is what I'll probably looking for depending on what develops after this.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
16:17 / 19.01.07
I feel sorry for the girl. 18, screwed up, pregnant, the man she (apparently) thinks is the father of the foetus texts her to say that he's demanding a paternity test and that he doesn't want any contact until the results are known (i.e., he won't be supporting her during the pregnancy), and people on a message board are talking about her as if she were the progenitor of all evil. Triplets, I think you might have had the guts to phone or meet her and tell her why you are set on it. And getting righteous about things when you were just as involved in the non-safe sex as she was is a bit too much as well. If she'd taken the morning-after pill every month during your relationship, you can't even claim it was a one-off on your part.

I'm a bit startled by the vehemence of Whisky's post as well. What's wrong with a young woman having several sexual partners when she's not attached to anyone in particular?
 
 
Char Aina
16:23 / 19.01.07
i assumed it was the lying about it that whiskey was upset about. which bit made you think it was the promiscuity alone?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:25 / 19.01.07
Kind of "what KKC said." I mean, I've already chipped in supporting the idea of a paternity test when the time comes, but dude. This is rapidly getting very ugly. We've already established that this is a fairly vulnerable young person we're talking about--history of mental health needs etc--maybe a bit of mercy is in order before we get all Magdalen Laundries about this.

(And Triplets: a text? I know you're shaken up and all but really.)
 
 
Char Aina
16:28 / 19.01.07
was the text a followup to an initial request in person for paternity test? was it part of a conversation?

i think, as is always the case with these things we don't have enough information to judge either side. was it dolly parton that got into trouble giving advice over the phone?
we only know what we have read and assumed, and that isnt enough.

i feel for you, mr T, but i'm afraid i can't give you anything but questions.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:32 / 19.01.07
I'm not sure if Triplets can be blamed for seeming a bit irrational at the moment, KCC.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
16:36 / 19.01.07
Oh, sorry, I don't think it was the promiscuity alone (though it is part of it: see 'irresponsible') - I was anxious to post and didn't express the rest of what I think about Whisky's post - which is, roughly, that since we don't know what this girl's motivation actually was for not telling Triplets about other partners she has had, we shouldn't be too quick off the mark in judging her: she might have been embarrassed, hoping to get back with Triplets for whatever reason (perhaps, as she said, she still cared for him), she might not have thought that it was relevant since she was sure that there was no chance that any of them were the partner, she might have thought it was none of Triplets's business... or she might have been deliberately trying to trick him into accepting paternity... we don't know, and I think Whisky and others have been very judgemental about this person. That doesn't even necessarily help Triplets.
 
 
HCE
16:42 / 19.01.07
I would agree with Kit-Kat and Boboss if their posts were not so gently phrased. The simple fact that Triplets does not know for certain that he is not the father suggests to me that he is not the innocent victim of some kind of dirty, evil, lying succubus who stole his precious seed while he slept. If this is what is meant by "I love this girl" then I wonder how Triplets would treat her if he held her in contempt. Since it is, unfortunately, not possible for him to go back and time and use a fucking condom, the least he can do is give this depressed, pregnant teenager the courtesy of laying off the fucking DNA test, lawyers, and other hostile bullshit. If it comes down to her suing for economic support, there will plenty of opportunity force a test on her then. It's not as though the DNA will morph into something else if the test isn't done right away.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
16:43 / 19.01.07
Granny - no, of course not, but I'm not sure that shutting of communication so flatly is the best way to proceed - particularly if it does turn out that Triplets is the father. I can understand that he might not actually want to talk to her at the moment, but...

I just feel sorry for this person, that's all, and hated the tone of this thread.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:49 / 19.01.07
i feel for you, mr T, but i'm afraid i can't give you anything but questions.

Such as, presumably, 'Why don't I have any constructive advice to offer?' 'What point am I attempting to make in this thread?' and 'What is it about me and capital letters, that makes us so hate each other?'

Perhaps these are questions that only one guy in the world can answer.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:59 / 19.01.07
gourami;

For Christ's sake ...

What, exactly, has Triplets ever done to you?
 
 
Char Aina
17:20 / 19.01.07
Why don't I have any constructive advice to offer?

i thought i made that clear, bro.
i don't have any constructive advice to offer because i don't know what's going on beyond what i have been told by triplets and i'm wary about giving advice on such a serious topic without a better understanding.
that and the fact that i have never been in a similar situation.

as for the capital letters...i do that purely to give you something to worry about, ma'am.
my granny says ladies of a certain age like something to nag about. she says it makes them feel needed.

i can stop all the lower case if you like.

well, i mean, i am lying, but granny assures me it's good to lie if it means telling old ladies what they want to hear.
 
 
Lama glama
17:26 / 19.01.07
You've always portrayed yourself in a fairly likeable manner on Barbelith, Triplets, so I'm with the majority of posters here when offering you my thoughts in this obviously difficult time.

The tone of the thread has become terribly funereal though..
It is, after all, a potential new life inside your ex, so I'm going to hesitantly offer my congratulations too. If it does turn out to be your child, I feel that you're a fairly decent fellow and will support and (eventually) love the child.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:32 / 19.01.07
the least he can do is give this depressed, pregnant teenager the courtesy of laying off the fucking DNA test, lawyers, and other hostile bullshit. If it comes down to her suing for economic support, there will plenty of opportunity force a test on her then.

Right. Except, if it isn't actually his, and she's trying to rope him into taking care of it, then it would be good to know ASAP so, if it isn't his, he can wash his hands of the entire episode. Which would be good.

Also, gourami, you could probably relax a little. Triplets is a good dude, and he's upset and sort of in the shit, so trying to be a little nicer to him would be super.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:32 / 19.01.07
i can stop all the lower case if you like.

Yeah, ok. Cool.

I WILL BUY YOU A PINT NEXT TIME YOU'RE IN LONDON IF YOU DO THAT.
 
 
Triplets
18:19 / 19.01.07
Triplets, I think you might have had the guts to phone or meet her and tell her why you are set on it. And getting righteous about things when you were just as involved in the non-safe sex as she was is a bit too much as well. If she'd taken the morning-after pill every month during your relationship, you can't even claim it was a one-off on your part.

True, I can't take the moral highground at all and I'm sorry I took the tone of the thread that way.

As for the text, I've brought up the issue of the paternity twice in person before now. The last time we spoke she said she didn't want contact with me until I had an answer re: what I wanted to do.

Anyway I've just spoken to her to say that the text may have come off as harsh and that I shouldn't be putting her in a worse situation (lack of support) for something she can't help (paternity test not for another 7+ months).

You say you feel sorry for the poor girl but I've stated from week 1 of the relationship that I don't want kids, she wants this baby, she's shot down the abortion and adoption options point blank and shuts down when I've tried to bring them up. We may not have gotten here on our own but I've not been the one fighting for a pregnancy.
 
 
Spaniel
19:11 / 19.01.07
she might not have thought that it was relevant since she was sure that there was no chance that any of them were the partner, she might have thought it was none of Triplets's business... or she might have been deliberately trying to trick him into accepting paternity... we don't know

Kit Kat, I understand what you're trying to do here and I think it's commendable, but frankly none of those are good reasons, especially the thing about it not being "any of his business". We're talking about something that could change Triplet's life forever and, to my mind at least, he's owed the truth. Now, I can understand a scared confused teenager basing a decision not to tell him about other partners on the thoughts listed above, but that doesn't make it okay to keep that information from him, it simply makes it understandable.

I appreciate that the woman in question is probably having a very difficult time, but if we can let her off for her bad decisions the least we can do is be gentle to Triplets, 'cause I don't imagine he's having an easy time of it either. I think we'd do well to remember that this woman was his first girlfriend and that people who are new to romantic and sexual entanglements are inclined to fuck up.

I know I did. On numerous occasions.


Sometimes I still do.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
19:44 / 19.01.07
Wow. This is some ugly shit right here. Several of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Triplets, I don't think it's a great idea for you to be seeking advice and comfort from a bunch of self-centered assholes on the internet. You need disinterested, professional support. Is there something like Planned Parenthood where you are? They will probably have some relavent info and counselors and resources that might, you know, actually help you with the fix you are in.
 
  

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