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Invited possession/horsing and channeling/divine inspiration.

 
  

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Ticker
14:40 / 28.05.06
The term horsing is best traced to Voudun/Lwa but the concept exists in several traditions. However in may other faiths the human conduit is not said to be possessed by an Entity so much as said to be channelling information.
Ideas on best/safe practices and emergency actions encouraged.

In your work do you actively seek possession? Or do you instead prefer to be inspired/compelled to an individual task?
 
 
Haloquin
20:35 / 28.05.06
I was taught that if you're going to do possession (the word I learnt was "aspecting", which includes different levels of possession) before you go anywhere near actual possession, you get a very clear idea of who you are, what your boundaries are and make sure you're clean, purified if you like, so there's nothing for the deity/entity/energy to stick to and so you can tell which parts are you when you come out of it.
In terms of safety, making a contract before it starts is a good idea, especially if you're going deep, including cues for when you want to stop, making clear what the possession is for... but then in some traditions people open to their patron (or equivalent) and allow them to ride their bodies, trusting in the relationship they have. This is obviously best if you have a working relationship witht he entity first, the other thing is to be very clear on what or who you are allowing into your body, some beings aren't necessarily good at taking care of mortal bodies, as I've heard tales of people being ridden and damaged by accident in the process.

I experienced this very lightly by accident, I was invoking a deity by opening to them and acting as them, to use drama to invoke within a group of people, it was an extremely effective invocation but as the aspecting wasn't planned for and I'd not done it before I had no experience or support for coming out of it, so when I stepped back into the circle, my part over in the creation of the space, the deity left me, the energy withdrew and I felt like all my strings had been cut. I ended up in floods of tears in the middle of a joyful ritual... and I didn't understand why.
Someone more experienced than me eventually picked up on my state and when I told them how I felt explained what had likely happened... and they helped me regain some sense of self. This kind of experienced support is a good idea in anything other than opening to inspiration.

What I was taught is that the different levels of aspecting correspond to different types of experience, ranging from opening to inspiration through wearing them on your shoulders, almost like a cloak or a glamour, to light possession, through to full possession.

To my mind, opening to inspiration is like listening to them, deep aspecting is allowing them to take over your body... the extent to which you can put yourself aside and let go determines how completely they gain control. Presumably if you had no hold over yourself to begin with and you opened up to an entity they could take over to a large degree in the same way as if you put yourself aside. This does lead to questions on what is yourself if you want to get technical, and possibly off-topic.

In a discussion about this someone put forward the argument that it is never necessary to do possession; would you let a friend or relative have complete control of you from the inside? When would that ever be necessary? When is it ever necessary that you do more than listen to them, and perhaps act on what they are telling you?
One answer to this is that perhaps its never necessary, but maybe its fun. Some people argue that it allows for a deeper connection and sharing, and so a deepening of the relationship... and I guess for some people its part of the agreement they have with the entity, to allow them to talk for themselves in ritual, or to walk in flesh for a time, to taste our food, to feel what we experience.

Talking about accidental possession, on another occasion there were people who had aspected deities on purpose as part of the invocation, and the deities had a strong presence for the duration of the event, and people were having feelings of the deity tapping them on the shoulder, wanting to play, at points I could feel my brain fuzzing over and I'd start feeling different, acting not-me, so I'd shake it off, then get the feeling again, until I realised what it was, so I took steps to stop it (grounding, shielding, telling them firmly that I didn't wa\n to play, and promising to make it up to them tomorrow if they'd just let me sleep dammit!). This was what sparked the conversation and teaching of safety techniques mentioned earlier.

I haven't as yet done full possession, or even a deep level of it, so I can't comment directly on these.
 
 
Haloquin
20:37 / 28.05.06
In terms of what I normally do, I tend to aim for inspiration but I will most likely look at possession, or deeper levels of aspecting, later on.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
22:29 / 28.05.06
Really great post Halloquin. I've got some stuff to add to this thread when it isn't late at night and I'm not er... in the midst of a light version of it...
 
 
Princess
22:54 / 28.05.06
I've had some experience with channeling, trance writing and the like. When I was a leetle tiny magician I used to start writing as fast as I could whilst inviting an entity to come and talk. The stuff I got was sometimes relevant, often rambling and almost always indecipherable to me a few days later. It was part of what I tentatively call my "Shit Magic" phase.
I like to invocatory work with Eris. I've mentioned this in another thread, but the effects are akin to being stoned. Light visuals and things distorting, nothing too freaky-deaky but a definite sense of not being me and being a little of her. When I come out I tend to forget everything very quickly, like dreams. I'm led to believe that full possession leaves the horse entirely clueless as to what has happened, so this is obviously different. When Eris talks to me, breaking the connection is somewhat like waking up. I remember bits, and some things I write down to help me remember, but afterwards is the sense that I missing the vital clue that made it all make sense.I have some of the memory, just not the important part. It's like I can remember that I should remember I did it, but can't actually remember what it felt like really. Other than good, usually good. Like the best weed ever.
 
 
Woodsurfer
23:00 / 28.05.06
Aspecting god forms (as well as other, more specialized, beings) is a major part of the Wiccan path I follow. Although my own experience of aspecting is limited -- I aspected the sephiroth of Hod for a Qabalah ritual -- I can tell you that it has the power to move you out of yourself and give the entity nearly full control of your higher reasoning and speech. It's not nearly as all-encompassing as being ridden by the Lwa (based on a conversation with someone I know who's experienced both forms of possesion) but I believe this difference is more in the type of being doing the possessing. From what I've been told the Lwa/Orishas, etc., are much closer to the Earth-plane than god forms and thus have access to parts of us that the higher beings do not.

For an excellent and very methodical discussion of aspecting, check out "Of Spirits, the Book of Rowan" by Ivo Domínguez, Jr. (Of Spirits)
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:59 / 29.05.06
I would be intrested to hear from anybody that gives up there whole self to the spirits, is able to do things considered out of the range of normal human tolerence physically or mentally etc.

I have read about those ridden by danbalah who move like serpents and coil there way up trees, undulating across the ground and around trunks.

Could it be possible that allowing for total possession is a way to become more familiar with ego loss, setting oneself aside breeding a greater sense of humility, willing or unwilling self sacrafice to spirits?

Allowing ancestors to inform and 'leave stories behind' of past lives, reasons for the circumstance and actions of this life.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:55 / 29.05.06
This is going to sound a bit odd, but is it possible to experience full possession and not know for certain that you've experienced it?

I ask because I had an odd thing happen last year, during my first serious working with Loki. (Well, a few odd things, of which this was among the oddest). I lost about four or five hours between my last clear conscious memory of the ritual and waking up in bed, in different clothes. I've never recovered any memory of what happened during that time, which is unusual--I want to chalk the whole thing up to an alcoholic blackout, but in truth I just wasn't that drunk. When I've completely lost time in the past drugs have always been involved, not just booze.

My last conscious memory that night involves watching myself start to smoke a cigarrette, as if I was looking at my body from outside. (I'm a nonsmoker, but my God, unfortunately, is not.)

I was able to piece a few things together from physical evidence; notably, I had chucked at least one entirely melted tealight over my bare skin at some point in the proceedings. Now, those things get hot, especially the scented and coloured kind which I was using. I would expect burns, redness, possibly blistering, but I was physically unscathed (note the connection with the fire resistance practice I've developed since then).

Full possession of this sort in a solitary context is almost unheard-of. As I understand it: normally when a spirit graces us with Hir presence in that way, it's to interact with the people--to communicate wisdom and confer
blessings. Lone punters don't get possessed, there's no point. The only things I can think of is that there's either some other explanation for the memory loss, or that I was being taken for a sort of test drive.

More recently (last Winter) I almost got jumped by Mordgud. She sort of turned up in my headspace, informed me that we should fetch my assistant/wrangler/whatever, and get the household together in the next room now because She wanted to talk to everybody. I sort of hunkered down on the floor and held Her off as politely as possible whilst explaining that in fact there was no receptive crowd of witchy people for Her to speak to, just my very non-witchy bf, and could She please reconsider? Mutual culture shock... She withdrew and hasn't pulled anything like that since.

Mostly it's been lighter stuff. I channel written communications from a couple of spirits who are my guides, and have experienced verbal channelling of Loki. I also get overshadowing during my spirit work--not ridden but echoing a Being, feeling Hir nature lingering on in me for as much as a day afterwards.

That's going to change in future; I've been told that I'll need to work towards full possession in a communal setting. (I've kind of put my foot down on the 'communal' part. No ground crew, no play horsie.)
 
 
Ticker
14:15 / 29.05.06
Haloquin
thank you so much for starting off the thread with those great detailed posts.


Mordant regarding your time loss...
There's a goodly amount of evidence that some Beings do in fact just take joy rides. While many folks qualify possession as a communal productive workings I have spoken to people who never know exactly what happens when they get Lifted. I wouldn' be surprised at all if your God had His own agenda and it is currently not important (from His POV) for you to know about what happened.
This is one of ther reasons why having handlers during ritual possession is often overly stressed.

My own experiences fall into the 'WTF-was-that?' category. Certain places have triggered an onslaught of emotions and not-mine memories to the point of my collapse. While not being what I would consider possession or aspecting it is some form of other drenching me with their input.

I've also done work with ritual performances of wearing other people's skins, moving as they move, speaking as they speak, in order to explore the overlap between us. Whenever I've done this work I have had to deal with curious side effects.

Recently I met some knew folks using the northen European traditions who appear to regularly invite their Gods to possess them. As I have never read about it in context to the particular cultures I was very surprised by how central to their practice the interaction was.

I'm fairly positive that in the primary body of work remaining (so really who the hell knows for certain) that my Celtic ancestors didn't go in much for complete possession. Rather there is a goodly amount of accounts detailing the awen, that divine direct connection for poetry. The Celtic Gods did not seem to require human recepticals as They would just show up. There are still living memory accounts of various Deities showing up and chatting up the locals.

Does this appear in other traditions? I'm curious if the Lwa ever just show up.
 
 
Ticker
14:23 / 29.05.06
An interesting article on Zar possesion as it exists today.

Zar
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:53 / 29.05.06
There's a goodly amount of evidence that some Beings do in fact just take joy rides.

Hmmm... I guess if there was ever a God who'd take a person over just to raid the fridge, it's Loki.

Recently I met some knew folks using the northen European traditions who appear to regularly invite their Gods to possess them. As I have never read about it in context to the particular cultures I was very surprised by how central to their practice the interaction was.

Direct-contact work of any kind is still a bit of a dirty secret in the Northern trad. It could be that my view is skewed by being a solitary heathen and interacing largely on the net, but my impression is that you hardly ever hear about this kind of thing in mainstream communities. I've heard stories about people who've found themselves possesed during their devotional work, and on reporting the incident to their godsman or -woman have been rebuffed and simply told that 'we don't do that in our tradition'. Things are changing, slowly.

As for corporeal manifestations outside the Celtic trad: I think it's a pretty common theme. Lots of mentions of Odin showing up in person, often to direct the course of a battle or to kill one of His chosen people. I understand that at least some of the Lwa are said to put in a personal appearance now and then--doesn't Zaka show up as a peasant and ask passers-by for food?
 
 
johnny enigma
08:28 / 30.05.06
How does one valdiate a possession experience - is it a case of just "knowing" like how people "know" they are in love?
Interestingly enough, I recall watching an interview with Iggy Pop in which he was discussing his on stage persona. The interviewer asked him if he is possessed when he is on stage and he said yes, hazarding a guess that it might be the soul of some "drunk old blues man".It appeared to me as if he meant it quite literally.This struck a chord with me as I am a musician myself and am convinced that my own performances have been improved by a quick nudge from the spirit world many a time.
 
 
Ticker
14:10 / 30.05.06
Often there are required signs to indicate the possessed is in fact Inhabited.
Ye olde speaking in tongues/dead or rare languages, knowing info the regular human should not be able to know, and often being able to perform tests of superhuman endurance/pain resistance.

Didn't Jim Morrison (the Doors) claim to have a Native American spirit coexisting within him?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:16 / 30.05.06
Vodoun has such tests, such as the Ghede drink: rum in which a number of scotch-bonnet peppers have been infused. Only Ghede can drink it. Someone faking possession or imagining themselves to be possessed would be unmasked in short order.
 
 
johnny enigma
10:51 / 31.05.06
Jim Morrison did claim to be inhabited by a Native American spirit. Whether he was or not is a different debate entirely..........
Speaking in tongues is quite a strange phenomenon, one I experienced first hand quite alot when I was a born-gain Christian in my teens. From what I can remember, it occasionally seemed forced coming form some people, but seemed extremely authentic coming from others. Occasionally there would be an interpretation, or in extreme cases somehing really weird would happen like people getting "slain in the Spirit" without even being touched.
However, my opinion is that the function speaking in tongues serves to most Christians is to validate their own faith - speaking in tongues rarely seems to yield any practical advantage.
In retrospect, my Christian experiences are probably the only time I have actively invited a form of possession, but I expect that I will probably get round to that sooner or later.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:59 / 31.05.06
What is it about barbelith and people rasied in Christian sects that speak in tongues? There does seem to be a disproportionate number of them around here... Is there actually anyone on barbelith that does not and has never spoke in tongues?
 
 
Ticker
12:28 / 31.05.06
Never spoken in tongues myself, but I've used my cradle language in some very odd ways. I lump it under 'poetry'.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:43 / 31.05.06
I'm reminded of an experience which I've described elsewhere in the Temple, thusly:

I was experimenting with hypnosis, allowing an individual who I'll call A. to put me into trance states. One night, he put me under and when I came round A. was huddled in one corner in a state of perfect terror and I was standing over him. According to him, upon going into deep trance I'd completely lost it. I'd attacked him physically, all the while yelling at him in a language he didn't understand. Now, A. had a tendancy to exaggerate stuff and the incident involved a lot of alcohol. It scared the hell out of me, though. I am opposed to violence and I was horrified by what had happened. I've never let anyone else put me in a trance since.

That incident apparently involved 'speaking in tongues.' Also, I was unaware of what was going on and never recovered any memory of the incident between slipping into a trance and coming to myself with A. cringing on the floor--which I remember very clearly, although I'd rather not. Not trying to excuse or justify what happend (I chose to engage in the work whilst under the influence, so I'm at least partly responsible) but it turned out that A. was not the individual I thought he was. Whatever he was attempting to do to my head during the trance would probably have been very bad for me. I can't help but wonder if Someone stepped in to defend me...
 
 
johnny enigma
07:58 / 02.06.06
Mordant, your experience illustrates why I'm reluctant to just dive into this stuff head first - if you need a "guide" or a "sitter" etc then how do you find someone who's trustworthy and knows what they are doing? I am just hoping that when the pupil is ready (ie me) then the teacher will appear.

And no Gypsy, I have never spoken in tongues, nor was I "raised in a Christian sect". (threadrot)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:36 / 02.06.06
Well, bear in mind that this was not intended to be possessory work, only hypnosis. Also, I was a good deal younger and a lot more naive back then--I doubt I'd end up working with that person now.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:15 / 02.06.06
And no Gypsy, I have never spoken in tongues, nor was I "raised in a Christian sect".

I wasn't talking exclusively about you. You posted about your first hand experience of speaking in tongues whilst you were a born again Christian in your teens. A few other people on barbelith have talked about their experiences of similar things, having grown up in denominations such as Charismatic Christianity that make use of such things. Hence my comment that a lot of people who post here seem to come from that sort of background, I can think of three of them off the top of my head. I couldnt care less whether you were raised in a stable with shepherds and the three wise men, I was just making a general comment on the amount of people whose first experiences of "magic" took place within a Christian context.
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:46 / 03.06.06
Could anybody describe how they would deal with an unwanted entity lobbing itself into there head space?

I generally start talking outloud and getting very angry and scary, to me and my neighbours probably, this does the trick on most occasions sometimes taking awhile to get the desired result, them vacating. I wouldnt mind hearing some other ideas on getting rid of unwanted visitors, aside from being an angry, scary, dominant bastard.

When not being so dramatic i will employ prayer and deep breathing which tends to work as well, another approach would be to strenghten guardian spirits, any thoughts on that in particular?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:14 / 03.06.06
Do you find that happens a lot, Wolfangel? I'd have thought it was a fairly rare occurence for most people. Maybe something's a bit off in your daily practice. Could be you need to centre yourself more often, get a bit of focus.

Aaside from the kind of first-aid you describe, there's a couple of things I'd suggest. Make regular use of the Isa rune: Trace it in the air in front of you with either your finger or your dagger, from a point level with your crown chakra to a point level with your sacral chakra. That always helps me if I'm feeling unfocused or rattled, pulls everything back into line and holds it steady so I can get a grip.

Then go down the pub and have a Ginster's pasty. If you don't fancy the pub, go to the beach or the park or the flicks, in fact do anything except sit in your flat by yourself waiting for the voices to come back.
 
 
Anthony
08:36 / 04.06.06
different god forms or angelic forms or demonic forms flow through me at different times. it often seems like my personality is obliterated & i'm just a channel for whatever forces seek to flow through me at any point in time. i do need however to seek more discrimination in my "diet". one can "make samadhi" with any form whatsoever if the intent is there; conscious choice needs to come into play because i find in practice that what one seeks one finds. most of the time i identify myself with Horus i think, just to keep some kind of semblage of individuality.
 
 
Ticker
12:33 / 05.06.06
if you need a "guide" or a "sitter" etc then how do you find someone who's trustworthy and knows what they are doing? I am just hoping that when the pupil is ready (ie me) then the teacher will appear.


That's a good attitude to start with. Some tips on selecting the correct people to do this work with:

1. They should have a metric shit ton of personal refs for being a decent human being, and well respected within a community. (doesn't need to be magical refs)

2. They *must* detail to you the dangers involved with these practices which include physical illness, mental illness, emotional distress, AND other possible unknown side effects. Anyone who doesn't nicely scare the crap out of you before you begin this work is not being responsible. I don't mean the melodramatic 'tales of horror' alone, I also mean things like "some people develop new sexual interests based on the interests of Those they channel". While it might sound like getting close to the Unknown is a sexy goal, finding yourself with the sudden craving for the exotic 'tipple' of choice can be a shock. (if you're a vegan and suddenly get the craving for raw dead thing etc)

3. You should be freely given refs to other people your guide has worked with in the past. Don't forget to contact these people and ask questions about the experience. Ask if they felt safe etc.

4.Your guide should be able to detail you the entire process including emergency options for if things go bad. Ask how they will be able to ID the Folks you want from the uninvited.

5. Your guide should also detail aftercare. This maybe the requirement that you are to stay with them for a certain amount of time after the event, or that they will be calling to check in with you the next day etc...

Regarding Mordant's experience... I do suspect that one of your Peoples bitch slapped the guy for having a crappy agenda, or a deeper aspect of yourself did.

I know when I have done work with other people I have had to verbally detail some of my guardians' energy beforehand as it might seem like negativity or hostility instead of just protective.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:24 / 05.06.06
A question: I've read some people write about having undertaken possessory work with any number of deities, essentially implying that they can and do become possessed by pretty much anyone. It also seems from reading descriptions of certain workings that some spirits can grab just about anyone and work with them effectively, like the Lwa possessing people seemingly at random at a Vodoun ceremony.

On the other hand though, I've read people assert that most horses can only work well with two or three entities at most. I've also seen descriptions like "so-and-so is a very skilled [insert deity name here] horse," and people training to manifest their deity more effectively. Does this all depend on who you're working with?
 
 
Wyrd
22:38 / 06.06.06
For what it's worth: in my case possession is not allowed. It's a funny clause in my contract/whatever with the myriad of entities with which I work. Possession is a "claiming" of a person, and that denotes certain rights and entitlements to that person.

Which is why some people are favourites of certain entities. Whether they know it or not those people are "owned" by the entities (which is pretty explicit in Vodou). Owned is not the best word, but it's the word that will give the approximate impression.

I've worked as a seer, and I relay messages regularly for people, but overt possession--where the ego is pushed to one side completely and the entity takes total control--doesn't happen in my case.
 
 
Anthony
22:49 / 06.06.06
i temporarily fell into alcoholism & general debauch. it didn't help. generally i'm a lot cleaner with things & in control.
 
 
Ticker
23:46 / 06.06.06
Wyrd:
I've worked as a seer, and I relay messages regularly for people, but overt possession--where the ego is pushed to one side completely and the entity takes total control--doesn't happen in my case.


When I have been inspired/directed my sense of self remains, but what I would consider my ego gets a different priority level. It feels a lot like when during a crisis I can set aside my personal feelings/reactions/concerns and just do what needs to get done, only more amplified.

I guess I would describe it as my intuitive-self over riding my ego-self. It definately feels like altered consciousness.
 
 
Ticker
15:13 / 19.06.06
I'd like your opinions on the ethics of invited possession when it is being done outside of a tradition which has a system specificly design to handle it.

I was recently told about someone's group experiencing with horsing for a specific goal for the person, and well I felt that there were better methods available than possession for that stated goal. I respect their choice but it sort of made me think they were using a sledgehammer when a clawfoot would have done nicely.

While discussing this with another person we segued onto the issue of ethics governing possession. Most traditions that use it have tests but a lot of modern DIYers are not building checkpoints into their work. This seems to my paranoid mind to be both dangerous and a bit prone to hoaxing.

What do you think?
 
 
Hawthorn
19:32 / 19.06.06
Hi guys

Im glad this thread has come up because it is relevant to experiences Id had this entire past year.
Regarding the ethics question, Ive thought about all these issues, is it right to invite possession, or for a godform to assume control of a person, if there is any need for it at all. I haven't come to much conclusion because possession was forced on me a couple times in an extremely terrifying time in which I felt like I was losing my sanity a couple times.
Last October late one night I was quite clearly and audibly called to my altar then told that I should worship the entity. I told it I would take a month to decide. after that time I declined. Later in the spring and without warning I was pretty much completely possessed twice for about an hour. I remember some of what happened but had no control. I was on MSN at the time and have saved all that was written. I was in pretty bad shape for the two weeks that this happened with near constant visual and auditory hallucinations and probably my own terror and some pretty strange ideas.

Let me just say at this point that I have had no prior mental problems nor anything like this, and I think I am quite sane. At this point I confided in an aquaintance out of desperation. He turned out to have quite a bit of experience in this sort of thing. I didn't go through the whole screening process mentioned above but he's done quite a bit of studying and magickal work and is a pretty alright guy. He was invaluable during all this.

Long story short communication was established under much more controlled circumstances. Things are back to normal, I think for a combination of reasons: the "phase" has probably past. Time can heal quite a bit. I've started regularly meditating, grounding, banishing, etc. I periodically let the Entity blow off steam, give offerings, channel writing and drawing a bit, coupled with pretty firm boundaries and assertive communication the rest of the time. Most problematically I gave Her what She wanted all along, which is my devotion. I'm aware of the coersion involved and it doesn't sit easily with me. However, it feels more right than anything I've ever done. I feel like married "Mr Right" for lack of a better comparison.

In return I received some prophecy and was healed of some severish health problems. Some of these were herbal remedies I didn't know and was able to confirm later in books. The prophesy remains to be confirmed. Once I went out on a limb and channeled some Ogham letters, which I do not know, and came up with the word "radon". So, who knows what that's about.

So, sorry this is so long, hope it helps
 
 
Olulabelle
18:22 / 24.06.06
Does it feel like knowing you have become another being or thing whilst still being aware of your other self?

I have experienced this in induced altered states, shamanic journeying for instance and also whilst taking DMT. Then I know I am still me, but I am also other.
I am aware that drug induced states are somewhat different, but I was thinking, if the people with me saw the same change in me that somehow makes it more 'real' does it not?

As for speaking in tongues, I'd be very proud to have spoken in tongues, even once. I'm crap at languages.
 
 
Ticker
18:49 / 24.06.06
Contrary to a lot of modern writings on the nature of various Gods/Enities being 'polite, easy to get along with' in practice They can be very pushy, demanding, and difficult.

If you have access to read various myths from around the world you will discover more often than not even the most benign Deities are prone to this sort of thing.

This is not meant to be a flippant analogy but think of various cats that adopt humans. Some are very happy to be let in and out on schedule and others wll raise a unholy ruckus to be let out NOW. Some like all kinds of food others are so fickle it can make you cry. Still others will not endure being pet while others insist on shedding everywhere. We humans often have some say in which cats are in our lives but the wiser of us know they pick us.

So to is it with Deities. The best relationships with Them are often based on Them showing up, demanding a bunch of stuff, gettting fed, and then demanding love or entertainment. It is worth it as They enrich our lives and guide us.

If you can discover which Entity/Deity has adopted you, learning Her lore will give you some insight on the possession. There is also a state of adjusted awareness some of us experience when we are serving the needs of a God. It is not really possesion as they are not within us but rather They have triggered an aspect of ourselves (past life/genetic memory) which comes to the fore to carry out a task.

Possession is almost always indicated by the Deity in your body behaving as They normally do. Personalities that big tend to be noticable.

I suspect you may not have been possesed as much as had aspects of yourself enhanced, sort of what Belle brings up.
 
 
Hawthorn
20:27 / 25.06.06
"Possession is almost always indicated by the Deity in your body behaving as They normally do. Personalities that big tend to be noticable....
I suspect you may not have been possesed as much as had aspects of yourself enhanced, sort of what Belle brings up."

Could well be. I've thought of that explanation and in a rational way I'm not sure. It could even be that there are aspects of my own personality being dredged up that are so deep and fundamental that they stray on the collective archetype territory anyway. All I have to go on is that when it happens (and I've been having a nice little vacation from that sort of thing lately) it really really feels like there is someone who is who She claims to be.

I'm also a really uptight person and the last thing I'm going to give up control over is how I behave, though it's been difficult. When it happened it was really a battle between who had control of the body, I could allow it to write or speak or fight it and get psychically pricked and harrassed. Actually kicking it/Her out was beyond my wherwithal. I know the details of who I claimed to be because I read the typed messages later on.

At the advice of a friend I set up barriers (banishing, cleansing, circle, etc) that would keep out the minor pesky unseen and invite the interloper in. So either it was the real deal or all in my head.

Wyrd, I'm curious if the "non-posession clause" is something you perceived or initiated? It's a good idea.
 
 
Ticker
17:41 / 16.08.06
*bump*
 
  

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