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The Falcon
23:27 / 17.08.06
Yeah, I didn't see it, Casanova or 52 at FP Glasgow today. Bad show.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:36 / 18.08.06
It had sold out at Gosh by 6.30 yesterday, so perhaps that's happened elsewhere.

I like it, a lot. I'd talk about it more now but negotiating my day job with a hangover is going to be perilous enough as it is.

Greg Dulli will not save you!
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:01 / 18.08.06
Sold out at my local comic shop too. V annoying.
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:26 / 18.08.06
I grabbed the last one in Forbidden Planet (or at least the last of a pile, as it were) London yesterday.

Seems popular. And rightly so, it's interesting stuff. Will be back for issue the second, certainly.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:37 / 18.08.06
Don't think this interview has been linked to yet here: Sequential Tart.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:39 / 18.08.06
Sorry, I should say something about that rather than just bunging a link up - good interview, would probably be the one that made me most optimistic about the comic if the first issue hadn't already done that. Good taste in music writers is almost as important as good taste in music - swap Reynolds for Price and that list looks almost exactly the same as any I'd make...
 
 
THX-1138
20:41 / 19.08.06
I do believe it sold out at my LCS as well. Not sure. but there didn't seem to be any left on shelf. Thankfully someone there was lookin' out for me and socked one in my pull'n'hold. haven't read it yet...
 
 
KieronGillen
20:07 / 20.08.06
Yes, apparently it's selling well. Heard stuff about a shop having to re-order four times already, which is gratifying. Also, slightly depressing. even thought I understand why: if only they'd ordered more to begin with, eh?

However, there are still copies left in the print-run and I urge anyone who'd like one to make sure your shop's ordered some more.

Former Flyboy: Price was originally on that list too, but I decided to drop him as it was just too much of an Early-nineties Melody Maker love-in. As much as I'm an early-nineties melody-maker lover.

Actually, if people are interested in interviews, I had fun with this one: Indepedent Propaganda.

I've been trying to appear relatively sane in most of them, but this one I just submit to my inner ranter.

Oh - glad that most people seem to dig it here. Hurrah for comics!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:17 / 21.08.06
Enjoyed this also, but, dude, Kenickie ... On what planet were those guys ever hip?!!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:47 / 21.08.06
"Hip" is a meaningless term, you terrible wind-up merchant. Kenickie were ace and that's all that matters... except that they were also loads of other things that make their role in this story ideal: mostly female; fast-burning; doomed; a point somewhere between riot grrl and the fem(inist) dance/punk/pop of today; a type of Britpop that was trodden underfoot by other, more lumbering, more masculine types. As were Elastica, who are never mentioned in the issue itself if I remember rightly, but obviously have a presence here.
 
 
KieronGillen
16:47 / 21.08.06
Wot Flyboy Sed.

(Kohl goes into their self-abusive/other-abusive nature a fair bit into the issue, which is also key why they're worthwhile. And it's always worth noting that *anyone* in the zine-scene back then who were worth listening to loved the 'nick.)
 
 
The Falcon
17:38 / 21.08.06
Yeah, Melody Maker loved 'em too. (Very much like the 'we are never honest about Kenickie' disclaimer, also.) Finally got a copy, and enjoyed the hell out of it; did honestly not realise Scout Niblett was a real artist, though, but just sort-of substituted Cat Power in there. The frame of reference was really accessible for me, in general, and that's kind-of helpful - as a contrast, there was an Adam Warren ish of Gen13 which had songs for each page, and they were all either really obscure artists and/or mixes, not the sort of thing soulseek was picking up at the time, and I found it all a bit disheartening and (personally) embarrassing, in truth. I don't know whether the average American reader will be able to cope quite as well here but it makes no odds to me.

Most pleased about the double Whigs utilisation.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:55 / 21.08.06
Well I gather Taylor Parkes went out with one of the band, and I suppose Simon Price might have liked to (these were surely the guys du jour at the time ...?) but, I don't know, Kenickie's story seems so tawdry, somehow. Minnie Mouse fell out with the future telly presenter, while the big lad on drums tried to keep things together because of the publishing deal ... They did their best I suppose, but, with hindsight, Kenickie's material (although I've never heard any of it; I took against them because of the interviews,) now has the feel of a gap year project, basically.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:05 / 21.08.06
Do bear in mind, however, that I am not, in any sense, a serious person.
 
 
KieronGillen
18:29 / 21.08.06
1: It's lucky you're not being that serious, as you're framing the "People liked them because they fancied them" position, perennialy wheeled out through all pop history to demean anyone without a penis.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:04 / 22.08.06
You're right, of course.

Everyone liked Elvis, Sinatra and The Doors entirely because of the music.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:56 / 22.08.06
1, if you want to have a discussion about the relationship between sex, charisma and music in pop, then the Music forum might be the best place. I very much doubt that anyone is putting forward the position that no band or artist, male or female, has ever been liked at least partly because people found them attractive, it’s just that female artists tend to have that factor pointed out or over-emphasised more than their male counterparts. Since by your own admission you have never heard a single Kenickie song then it might be best to quit while you’re, if not ahead, then at least not knee-deep in ground water.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:43 / 22.08.06
Fair enough.
 
 
KieronGillen
10:33 / 22.08.06
Noting that people fancy someone and dismissing someone because people fancy them are very different things. The latter tends to happen to women a lot.

(I'm still angry with one London rag's review of the Pipettes which said it was great, but wouldn't give it more than 3/5 as everyone fancies them.)

I'm not sure if this is the wrong thread for this discussion, though. It's actually relevant to the comic. The first issue had a lot about men using feminist music for sexist ends, and sex and pop generally.
 
 
_Boboss
11:35 / 22.08.06
i don't think people did fancy kenickie, except for the one music journalist who was going out with one of them, who then bigged them up arguably more than they deserved. it looked like he was talking about nepotism in the teeny wee world of mid nineties music journalism, and to ignore that and go 'sexyst!' is too barbelith for words. from my memories (ah, memories) of the crowd at their jig i went to, kenickie were a 'want to be them' band far more than a 'want to do them' band.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:27 / 22.08.06
(If this is too off-topic, feel free to delete.)

As you're framing the "People liked them because they fancied them" position

I wasn't doing that exactly, hopefully. Kenickie were a strange band though, insofar as a particular type of music journalist (specifically at the Melody Maker at the time) seemed to be all over them like a rash from the first single onwards. They were fairly heavily exoticised ('These are teenage girls! From the North East! And they're intelligent! And they get pissed! You will like them, but not as much as we do!') and looked for a while to be the victims of a certain agenda - personally, my animosity towards them, such as it is, is based pretty much entirely on an interview (I think) co-written by Simon Price and Taylor Parkes, in which it was explained, in no uncertain terms, that this was the future. I can't remember a thing the band had to say, but the hectoring tone of the article retains its power to annoy, what is it now, about twelve years later.

While I've no idea what split Kenickie up in the end, I suppose the pressure of having to conform to some guy in a bedsit on the Holloway Road's expectations of what they should have been can't have helped, if they were already having 'musical differences.'

As with The Slits, I guess, it's perhaps interesting that after the group broke up, no one from Kenickie seems to have carried on recording, at least in a high profile way.

If they were as good as people on here whose opinions I've got no reason to distrust (unlike those of say Price or Parkes,) maintain though, then it seems as if they probably did get done over by the music biz, and in particular, by the likes of Bob, Everett, Simon and Taylor. So, good band to mention in the narrative, now that I've thought about it.

(With apologies if this reads like the rantings of a crazed pensioner, but the very thought of some of the people working at the Melody Maker in the early Nineties still make the blood biol, really.)
 
 
The Falcon
12:56 / 22.08.06
i don't think people did fancy kenickie...

Disagree. I definitely did fancy, and probably still do, Lauren Laverne. Anyway, I'm now strangely hopeful that Romo will get a bit of coverage, if only for Alex' take on that.
 
 
KieronGillen
13:01 / 22.08.06
You've just sent me running around the internet trying to find the article you've referenced. Used to be on Kenickie.com, but it's all deadlinks. Which is a shame as... ooh. Archive.org!

No, apparently Kermit's somewhat odd webmastery included stuff to stop robots nosing around.

The article you reference, I believe, was TO HELL WITH TEEN SPIRIT by Price, yeah?

(May have been the previous Bennun interview article here,)

Loved that article. But - god - it got on a lot of people's tits. Can see entirely why, but...

We are off topic now.

(I take your point re: Fetishising them, but I actually thought Price's take on them was actually far less in that direction. Lots of reviewers *did* do the funny lass routine, but few actually called them *smart*.)
 
 
KieronGillen
13:03 / 22.08.06
(Note: Not saying that people shouldn't fancy bands or anything like that in my stance. That's part of the fun of pop bands. My problem is using someone's attractiveness as a way to undermine their credibility)

Never fancied Lauren when she was in Kenickie, actually.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:14 / 22.08.06
Yeah, Lauren is almost universally fancied by a certain type of person as far as I can tell... I was actually making a short comic sort of about that (read: one page, but it's a really big page like a poster) and you all keep reminding me I should finish it!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:00 / 22.08.06
The article you reference, I believe, was TO HELL WITH TEEN SPIRIT by Price, yeah?

That'd be the one.

I had a job as a milkman at the time, and every Wednesday when, halfway through my round, I picked up my copy of the Melody Maker from the newsagent, the product would seem to curdle while I was going through the reviews.

That week though, I think it turned black.
 
 
_Boboss
14:37 / 22.08.06
she was the best of the bunch, but only because the other two looked like road building equipment. these days, laverne is nothing more than any other channel four music presenter bellend, so your fancy is mighty mistaken: you might as well say you're after a game of shaggsy with the 'i do stand up y'know' chap with the curly black hair.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:41 / 22.08.06
Price and Parkes did have a phenomenal ability to make you want to hate bands that you already dug, it must be said.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:43 / 22.08.06
...but what do I know, I fancied Marie De Santiago.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:46 / 22.08.06
Dude;

A very well-respected member of Barbelith used to have 'a thing' about the 'other one' in Kenickie, and ... actually, I can't really get involved in this. Even though it's at least partly my fault.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:50 / 22.08.06
What; did you introduce them? Thrust them toward each other at the Good Mixer one evening? Do tell...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:56 / 22.08.06
It's his fault because he lives with me and, since my words are like gospel unto him, he must always repeat them.

to ignore that and go 'sexyst!' is too barbelith for words

Note: gumbitch!! claiming that yr political correctness has gone mad is a really great endorsement for any relatively new poster to the board.

Always good to get his opinion on what female body types are acceptable to him, too.

Anyway, Phonogram.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:58 / 22.08.06
So, KG, what can we look forward to in issue 2? Will Greg Dulli (who I've always liked on account of his 'If you haven't been skiing on Ecstasy you haven't lived' quote) be showing up as a sort of Zeus figure? Or not?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
15:04 / 22.08.06
If we could get a re-enaction of Dulli's "smashing some twat in the face with a bar stool" incident I'd be pretty happy. Maybe he could bring the hairy yank pain to a member of Northern Uproar?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
15:50 / 22.08.06
It's his fault because he lives with me and, since my words are like gospel unto him, he must always repeat them.

Um, you did rather out yourself out there, Disgraced.

No names were mentioned, and such.
 
  

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