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Phonogram: Rue Brittania

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
11:05 / 05.07.07
I should have so mocked Powder.

In a way, yes, and also Supergrass, but then again, wouldn't Sadie Frost be ideal for a particular role in the movie?

Either way, I've got it on good authority that it's best not to piss her off, man. You did the right thing.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:27 / 05.07.07
Why Supergrass? I maintain 'I should Coco' to be one of the best albums to come out of the brit-pop era. Regardless of what they did post that, it's a great debut that evokes the Buzzcocks, the Undertones, the Kinks and all that hooplah whilst retaining it's own unique and fuzzy identity. Even 'Alright' is a damn great pop tune, if horrendously overplayed.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:28 / 05.07.07
And badly in need of a middle-eight.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:59 / 05.07.07
That's pretty much why I haven't been able to pick the book up thus far.

Boboss, didn't you recently drop some pounds on a copy of Geoff Johns Makes His Action Figures Fight Corps Special?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:02 / 05.07.07
I think he *shhhhh* downloads his comics mostly.
 
 
Automatic
12:19 / 05.07.07
"the rather ludicrous assertion that these folk were phonomancers and doing something really important actually just made me empathise with my older sister laughing at me going on about how great my three stripe top was."

I'd be interested to know why you find the characters in Phonogram ludicrous, while not say, King Mob?

(presuming of course that you don't find KM ludicrous)
 
 
_Boboss
12:44 / 05.07.07
because the invisibles was a superhero action book, despite vague appearances to the contrary playing very fast and loose with its connections to reality. phonogram (as it generally appeared to me) is a far more grounded, semi-autobiographical cultural dissection of a specific moment in pop music history, that makes occasional (and not to my mind entirely succesful) narrative forays into urban fantasy.
 
 
Spaniel
12:51 / 05.07.07
To be fair, Fly, I'm not maintaining that that's a good reason. I suppose I'm more used to buyng the idea that men in pants fight in space than I am music journalists as phonomancers.
 
 
Automatic
12:55 / 05.07.07
I see Phonogram in the same way, it undeniably is 'a far more grounded, semi-autobiographical cultural dissection of a specific moment in pop music history', but this told through the lens of characters who possess superpowers.

I can accept the notion of fantasy in Phonogram as easily as I can accept Superman flying.
 
 
Spaniel
13:02 / 05.07.07
You have Flexibrane!
 
 
_Boboss
13:09 / 05.07.07
word. my gast's just been flabbered by the liquid coolth on display.
 
 
Automatic
13:21 / 05.07.07
I don't think my brain has to be that flexible to make an instant superhero connection considering the first issue (possibly the first page?) of Phonogram has the main character flouncing about in a Superman t-shirt.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:43 / 05.07.07
It seems a bit of a moot point though - didn't work for Gumby, did for you. He's given fairly good reasons for why, and vice versa.
It does raise an interesting point about the necessity of including fantastical elements in a somewhat autobiographical and deeply personal work. Do you think it made Phonogram more resonant? Or interesting?
(I ask out of curiosity, not fightyness - I've yet to read Phonogram, but am now chomping at the bit to do so)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:59 / 05.07.07
"Two chords go-oo-ood! Four chords ba-aa-ad!"
 
 
Spaniel
15:41 / 05.07.07
Flunchy, my point was that you are teh Flexibrane because you can get your head round music journalists as phonomancers as well as fighty pants space men, not because you could make a link between fighty pant comics and Phonogram.

To unpack further, I was playfully, and oh-so-very gently mocking you in a friendly way.
 
 
doctorbeck
15:58 / 05.07.07
call me shallow but i might not have bought a comic whose solicit ran '30something journalist muses about the 3 wild years he had listening to kenickie and getting drunk, whilst somewhat whistfully wondering if he is a bit of a selfish fucker'

the hook of phonomancy got me in, but the emotional narrative and refectiveness kept me reading.

and the hatred of kula shaker.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:32 / 05.07.07
Why Supergrass?

Danny, the drummer in Supergrass, is married to Pearl, the singer in Powder. As a couple, Danny, the drummer from Supergrass, and Pearl, the singer in Powder, were friends with Jude Law and Sadie Frost.
 
 
Spaniel
17:06 / 05.07.07
For a grumpy northern duffer, you know loads about this shit.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:54 / 05.07.07
A journalist from the NME once compared my brain to an octopus. An octupus of ideas.

I was so angry about what that Oxbridge student tosser said that I had more white lines than are on the M25, cock, and then I drank a gallon of whisky, and the next morning, all the same, I was there, ready for work.

Or at least I would have been, had my entire band not left the country, again.

Still, balls to them, musicians, eh? They are scum.

At something of a loose end, then, I literally ran into some pensioners from the local hostelry, beat them about a bit, taught them a couple of chords and, hey presto - best f***ing Fall there's ever been!

And if you've got a problem with that, you're on the list, mate.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:45 / 06.07.07
Is this going to go on for a long time?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:55 / 06.07.07
What, Mark E. Smith? He will NEVER DIE!!!

At the end, I'm wondering what actually differentiates Kohl from the retromancers, of course that might be deliberate, what differentiates a Blur from an Oasis fan really?
 
 
KieronGillen
16:22 / 10.07.07
Re: Supergrass. McKitten and I tend to say that of all the bands involved with Britpop, we'd only unreservedly recommend Pulp and Elastica. I think Jamie may disagree, but Supergrass are close to being a third, at least in the Britpop period. They were never the sort of band who would Change Your Life but they were absolutely POP!!! in a way which was enormously britpop, but without any of the obvious cynicism that - say - Blur or the Boo radleys did when they went for the Pop dollar.

(We did have a TINY nod towards Supergrass at one point, but I wish we'd managed to get a lyrical nod in too)

Re: Flexibrane. I wish I had a flexibrane.

MacReady: I'm interested in the contrast between something simultaneously being the most important thing in the world and totally laughable. The Magic kind of literalises the dilemma of taking music seriously. Or so was the idea.

ROFLADY!!1!: Can't answer this one. There's an answer in the text, but the reader deciding if there is a worthwhile difference is part of the book.

Oh my! Gene Serene's "I can do anything" has just come on the random mix. Woo!

Er... not Britpop related.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:36 / 10.07.07
They were never the sort of band who would Change Your Life but they were absolutely POP!!! in a way which was enormously britpop, but without any of the obvious cynicism that - say - Blur or the Boo radleys did when they went for the Pop dollar.

Without wishing to teach anyone how to suck eggs, wasn't obvious cynicism a necessary component, though? I'd certainly take Menswear over Supergrass, personally. Both bands made some fairly terrible records, but most of the guys in Menswear are presumably now in middle management positions at IT companies in Swindon, seething, which seems like a more appropriate end to a certain type of Britpop dream than playing twelve bar blues, plus the old hit, on the south east coast Real Ale festival circuit until the kids have left school.
 
 
KieronGillen
11:26 / 11.07.07
I'll agree that Menswear were more quintessentially Britpop for their fundamental cynicism. I'm talking about music which I'd argue is actually worth listening to rather than study as a period document. I just disagree with you on Supergrass making terrible records.

(Elastica and Pulp do better on the period document front than Supergrass too, admittedly.)
 
 
Feverfew
19:45 / 11.07.07
For the record - I didn't get the timing of the series, and placed it in the present day when I read it. Didn't seem to have a particularly detrimental effect, though.

(Apart from looking up old bands from my teens like Rocket From the Crypt, and getting all embarassed again about Sleeper's "Nice Guy Eddie", which I believe one reviewer referred to as "suddenly making every teenage boy need a cold shower").
 
 
Quantum
18:58 / 17.07.07
I got this as TPB last week and took it to a festival. It ended up that I read it instead of watching Supergrass play, and I thought it was top notch superfantastic! and far better than watching them rehash the old tunes and pimp the (dreadful) new ones to middle age folk. I like Supergrass, but I love this comic much more. I was a student 93-97 mind you, so, not a hard market.

KieronGillen, about a year ago in this thread you said Hell, I'd like to do a whole comic on Pulp. Any chance that that might ever happen? Because that would be like a dream comic to me, and I would give Mark E Smith's soul to own it. I can think of a few others who would be pleased too.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:03 / 05.08.07
Hmmmmmmmm. 'a 21st century cross between THE INVISIBLES and CSI'? 'an unlikely quartet of occult detectives secretly solve crimes — from DJ crack bars in Camden to the elegant, high-society ballrooms that make up modern London.'? 'Morrison Shepherd'?
 
 
ghadis
20:40 / 06.08.07
From Ladys above link to the vertigo comic...

'A young boy's head (with diamonds in the eye sockets) washes up on the edge of the Thames and seems to be connected to a series of ritual killings, a drug called Khat, and Muti magic. Can they get to the bottom of it?'

Double 'Hmmmmm'. Not just slightly derivative but also maybe quite horribly racist. Have they been reading the Metro?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:45 / 07.08.07
I missed the last issue, can any of you bonny chaps lend it to me or just bring it to the pub so I can sit in the corner reading?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:45 / 07.08.07
Pub? PM me.
 
 
KieronGillen
18:29 / 07.08.07
"KieronGillen, about a year ago in this thread you said Hell, I'd like to do a whole comic on Pulp. Any chance that that might ever happen?"

Maybe. There's certainly enough stuff to talk about with Cocker and Co. It won't be in the main story of Phonogram, at least in the first four arcs* but there's all sorts of other stories around the edge which I'll be doing. Considering I've just finished a story about dancing to ska records in Californian clubs, you never can tell where I'll end up going next.

*Actually, now I think about it, it MAY turn up in 4, which is still in a foggy place.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:54 / 27.08.07
I've only just got round to reading the TPB of mine, and... it's very good indeed.

I found it infuriating, irritating and horribly self-indulgent AT EXACTLY THE SAME MOMENTS AND ON EXACTLY THE SAME LEVELS as I found it utterly brilliant. Which seems somehow fitting. Two halves of my brain are currently having a really heated argument about whether I loved it or hated it. They both agree, however, that it was executed perfectly. (Perhaps I should have posted this BEFORE that last beer- it just took me a full 30 seconds to spell "however" right).

The aspects I found really annoying (not specific scenes, just part of the whole songfic thing, which does get a special dispensation purely by being the entire point of the thing) were the same bits that made me go "whoah, cool!". At the same time. It's really confusing being me sometimes.

About the start of issue two I had this horrible sense we were heading into a world where Nick Hornby was allowed to write Hellblazer, but thankfully it turned out not to be true, and I ended the whole thing thinking of Martin Millar instead. Someone else who infuriates and inspires me simultaneously, and who is as a result one of my favourite novelists.

Yeah. Will have to read it again, I think, but that should be no great hardship, as it is, all other things aside, very good indeed.

(Incidentally, Kieron, I believe one of my work colleagues is a mate of yours, so I'm always within punching distance should you feel the need. I didn't make the connection with the name until the end, but while I'm here, great games writing too).

And, in what's probably the best compliment of all, I have a mate who will love this absolutely and uncritically, and whose name you may as well have put on it. I feel I should lend it to him for these reasons, and because he's just starting to discover comics, but fear doing so because I can guarantee he won't shut up about it for months afterwards and it might make me hate it, and that wouldn't be good.
 
 
Quantum
07:30 / 30.08.07
it MAY turn up in 4, which is still in a foggy place.

Whee! Jarvis stalking the streets of Victorian London!
 
 
KieronGillen
15:23 / 03.08.08
Er... I'm starting to do shit on the second series of this. Shall I post random stuff in here, or start a new thread?

ADVISE ME, BARBELITH! YOU ARE WELL CLEVERS.

KG
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:03 / 04.08.08
Hmmm, the age-old question, let's start a new thread shall we?
 
  

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