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Phonogram: Rue Brittania

 
  

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Robert B
19:51 / 28.10.06
I've been following this book but not the thread. Just wanted to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed the story thus far. Art is superb and the story has me interested enough to follow it through. One of the better comics out right now and no superheroes... yet. Nothing wrong with the supers mind you.
 
 
uncle retrospective
06:19 / 03.11.06
Did I miss issue 3? Seems like a long time since 2.
 
 
Planet B
06:21 / 03.11.06
next week. just saw the preview copy at my shop yesterday. can't wait.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
13:02 / 03.11.06
diamond fuck-up, i've heard
 
 
KieronGillen
13:26 / 05.11.06
Yeah, Diamond fuck-up and we were a little late with it anyway. Fingers crossed will be the last delay.
 
 
KieronGillen
13:27 / 05.11.06
Oh - and Kitten and I are relatively pleased with #3. God knows what anyone else would make of it, but I wince while reading it less. And the last 5 pages may be my favourite in the whole series.
 
 
assayudin
19:28 / 09.11.06
#3 was great. Last five pages were really cool. Thanks.
 
 
petunia
20:49 / 09.11.06
This is turning out to be such a sweet story (sweet-nice and sweet-awesome).

I'm really impressed by the way that the story is all about remembrance and reminiscence, yet it doesn't feel like a trudge through someone's relived past.

I'm also pretty keen on the name-checking of Jamie Harding. I'm tempted to get a copy of this for him. He might try to inject it though...

It's interesting reading the tale of britpop. I became 'musically aware' around the peak and fall of the whole thing. I managed to be in the happy position of ownership of Different Class, but my first gig also happened to be Kula Shaker...

It's really good to find out the backstory to the whole thing, and a take on how it was for people experiencing it and being more a part of it.

It's also pretty damn funny.

Looking forward to the next one.

Thanks!
 
 
Corey Waits
22:21 / 09.11.06
#3 is out?

I'll have to get my hands on it. I've really been enjoying it, though I do get the feeling that I would enjoy it more if I had been a bigger brit-pop fan.

Oh well, it's educational and entertaining...

And, if anybody is interested I did a bit of a review of Phonogram and a few other comics I've been enjoying lately. Link is here.
 
 
KieronGillen
22:44 / 09.11.06
assayudin: Thanks!

.trampetunia: "I'm also pretty keen on the name-checking of Jamie Harding. I'm tempted to get a copy of this for him. He might try to inject it though..." Well, an intravenous comics addiction has got to be one of the least harmful things Jaime ever put into his system.

(Random: I never really liked them circa Britpop, but in the research for this, "Time" became one of the key half-a-dozen or so songs of this year in terms of "Hmm. A bit too much like my life". Luckily, one of the others is Cansei De Ser Sexy's "Let's Make Love And Listen To Death From Above", so it's not all that downbeat.)

Also glad that the whole idea that its more *about* nostalgia than just a piece of nostalgia is coming across. I worry about these things, y'know.

(And actually writing this has reminded me of a line I wanted to work into #5. Hurrah.)

Jack Destruct: Came out yesterday in the UK and the day before in the US. And thanks again for the review.
 
 
Corey Waits
03:40 / 10.11.06
Came out yesterday in the UK and the day before in the US. And thanks again for the review.

That was really weird. Before when I saw your post, I read your name as Jamie McKelvie. It wasn't 'til I read this that my brain righted itself.

I feel like I just had a nasty acid flashback.
 
 
solid white in water
19:56 / 13.11.06
Just recieved issues 1-3 today in the mail, as the fatbeards that run my local comics shop aren't carrying it.
Jesus, Christ, if all my comics were this immersive, I wouldn't need TV or film.
Until the series is complete, I won't be able to decide if this is the beginning of a new benchmark in the medium or merely the best Hellblazer story ever.
 
 
uncle retrospective
20:21 / 13.11.06
I really have to write up how much I love this book but tonight is not that time. The horror of waking up one day and finding out you like Cast!
The Horror!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:05 / 15.11.06
gosh has got a few more of issues 1 and 2 in - picked them up today.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:40 / 17.11.06
Popped in to Gosh on wednesday, hadn't read this thread, picked up issue one and asked them to put issue two in the box in case I liked issue one. Left shop. Went to pub. Read issue one. Fifteen minutes later I was back at the shop to buy issue two and asked them to put it on my grab list. Wonderful, wonderful stuff.
 
 
doctorbeck
07:15 / 20.11.06
just gotten issue 3, always a pleasure picking it up from GOSH as i can pop into the british museum afterwards and read it while sitting in the great court.

another top notch issue, thought the awkward tea with an ex scene was the highlight (which is great praise from me as i prefer men in lycra slapping one another down in my comics on the whole) and of course indie dave was a great character interlude, retromancer indeed.

i sort of wish i had waited for the trade as the slowness of things progressing is a struggle for my sensibilities used to instant gratification but then for the first time in 15 years i am actually going down to a comic shop every month and looking forward to picking up a monthly. some great period details about the subtle britpop heirarchy and sesibilities too, if i get time today i'll add a personal history of the era as it got me thinking. roll on number 4.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
11:16 / 26.11.06
Found copies of 1 and 3 at my LCS and finally read the first 3 in sequence; there's a palpable difference to both the writing and art that distinguishes Phonogram from almost everything I'm currently reading, but reminds me in a way of Jason Lutes' Berlin: a dance in and of itself, with a brittle confidence in its own style that has at its base repeated desperate motions - not an escape, but a response to restriction - of the cubicle spaces evoked by dancefloors, offices and flats alike. In Phonogram, transcendental experience provides the only exit: the BritPOPish Experience a revolving door, disorientating and exhilarating but ultimately futile. In addition, we're witnesses to the inexorable collision of characters with glacier-like lives submerged beneath the surface of the narrative, only the sculptured ice of their tips visible around us as we move slowly amongst them.

I've also only just realised that each issue is 22 pages of story; based on my earlier reading of issue 2, I'd previously assumed that Phonogram shared both the physical and ideological format of both Casanova and Fell in their 16-page 'single' story approach, but in addition to its additional length, Phonogram isn't a single, it's an album itself, down to the sleeve notes and the paper stock that makes the comic feel as though it's been photocopied and distributed like an album on a bedroom label.

Also, does Emily Aster possibly share a powder room with Dave Sim's Astoria, or am I reading too much into her dinner conversation with Kohl in issue 3?
 
 
ginger
12:59 / 26.11.06
by way of a heads-up:

phonogram's finally reached oxford, if anyone here's from around; comics showcase have copies of 2 and 3, and dave reliably informs me that 1 should be coming in some time next week.

i've been cacking my pants about this for months now, so at risk of sounding like the saddest of comics bastards, anyone care to tell me if i'll regret it for the rest of my life if i read out of order? i had a dirty wee peek at 2, sniffed manics, and spent the rest of the day walking round town feeling righteous with headphones...
 
 
Corey Waits
01:48 / 28.11.06
Read Issue 3 yesterday. Loved it. And I think I'm finally starting to see where this is going, and starting to read a bit more into it than I had been able with Issues 1 & 2.

Eagerly anticipating the rest of the series.

ginger - I'd recommend you wait really. The first issue really sets the whole series up, so I don't think you'd quite get as much out of Issue 2 if you started there.
 
 
ginger
09:08 / 28.11.06
ta.

i'll sit here and listen to oddly uplifting music about myra hindley and the holocaust for a few more days til #1 turns up down the road.

(i maintain that 'this is my truth...' had good songs on it, but that's probably one for my shrink.)
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
11:43 / 28.11.06
ginger - this is my truth did have a few good songs on it, but they were overproduced to within an inch of their lives.
 
 
matsya
21:16 / 28.11.06
okay, obtuse question that may be answered in one of the many interviews, but interested in the answer from the barelites here present:

For someone not familiar with anything other than the broadest, vaguest tropes of the music being referenced in this comic, is there something for them to hang on to - like an overarching narrative that doesn't rely on cultural referencing to get its point across?

Cos I'm loving the enthusiasm of the comments here, and the art's quite loverly and KG is coming across as the way articulate writer, but i'm hesitant about the subject matter.

very happy to just get me coat...
 
 
Corey Waits
21:40 / 28.11.06
I was in the same boat for the first couple of issues - really enjoying the comic, but uncertain about it because I didn't get most of the references.

With Issue 3 however, it seems that britpop references are become less important, and the narrative is definately coming into it's own.

So yeah, pick it up, and don't worry too much about the references, just roll with it.
 
 
ginger
02:42 / 29.11.06
bada-bum, tish...
 
 
KieronGillen
10:44 / 29.11.06
Tunnel of Ghosts: "Also, does Emily Aster possibly share a powder room with Dave Sim's Astoria, or am I reading too much into her dinner conversation with Kohl in issue 3?"

When I actually get my life sorted out post-house move, I'm going to dig out my Cerebus and have a little think. It's an interesting reference. I suspect I have considerable more sympathies for Emily - even at her worst - than Sim does with Astoria.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
16:45 / 29.11.06
During the dinner scene, the similarity between Emily and Astoria occurred to me in noting the similarity of their names - Sim's basing of Astoria on Mary Astor. Emily seems to be surreptitiously at work behind the scenes, in a similar way to Astoria's manipulation of Cerebus, although Emily's motivation for causing Kohl's downfall isn't yet clear. There also seem to be similarities between Emily and both Grant Morrison's Edith Manning - especially Emily's first appearance - and Jennifer Jason Leigh playing Dorothy Parker. Although maybe that last one is just how I see her.

In issue 1, I inferred that the Goddess had invoked sympathetic menstrual cramps upon Kohl, and I'm sure you mentioned it in an interview, but as an element of both the plot and Kohl's character, it doesn't seem to have had much of an impact so far...

I'm enjoying the story so far and find myself going back to the issues more than I thought I would, both for the story and the back material. Was the choice of paper stock offset against the page count? It distinguishes Phonogram from its labelmates Fell and Casanova immediately, and feels raw and bright. Jamie's art evokes The Avengers - Steed and Gale/Peel/King, not the military-industrial task force - in its clean, expressive depiction of empty early-morning streets - extremely evocative without needing to be photo-realistic.

Thanks to you both - I'm looking forwards to the next 3 issues, as well as to future Phonoverse miniseries.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:27 / 29.11.06
Any chance we could have five issues where God tells Emily at great length that she is a void who sucks creativity?
 
 
KieronGillen
14:01 / 02.12.06
I'm moving house at the moment, so surrounded by piles of boxes and unable to comment on a few really interesting things people have said. However, I thought you may dig this...

 
 
uncle retrospective
14:18 / 02.12.06
Wow, that kicks mucho ass.
 
 
Corey Waits
00:51 / 03.12.06
Kudos to Jamie. That's beautiful and haunting.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:43 / 04.12.06
It's getting a TPB release? SWEEEET!
 
Is the trade going to include all the essays and reference material that the singles have? 'cos that would just completely rock. As well as being a complete guide to Britpop for anyone who wasn't there.
 
 
doctorbeck
14:31 / 04.12.06
2 things while i wait for issue 4

am i the only person who has filed copies in with their vynil collection? there they are, right next to gram parsons, elvis presely, charlie parker, pale saints and primal scream. seemed the right thing to do.

also went for a job interview in manchester on friday and made sure that the 48 hours beforehand i listened only to manchester music as an act of sympathetic phonmagic. got the job, so the drinks on me if i see those phonogram boys at a comics con sometime.
 
 
Billuccho!
02:19 / 05.12.06
Ooo! An album cover I finally recognize. Awesome.
 
 
KieronGillen
09:34 / 12.12.06
Finally. Life calms down.

Tunnel of Ghosts: Ah, yes.

I don't generally tell people when things are accidental references. I work on the principle if something is there, something's there (The only exception so far has been saying that Indie Dave is absolutely NOT meant to be Richey Manic). However, in this case, I'll plead co-incidence. Emily Aster was actually called something else entirely up until we were well into production, and I decided it had to change for various reasons. McKelvie suggested the Emily, which struck an agreeable note with something buried in the time I was riffing off, and I added the Aster.

I have to re-read Cerebus though. Any similarity with Edith is that I suspect we're touching on similar archetypal figures. Except Emily's just a lot less nice, of course.

Re: Cramps. Is something I suspect I've just handled badly. It's a terrible curse, but that Kohl's memories are just falling to pieces is something which is even worse, so tends to push him onewards when that came into play. In narrative terms, the cramps ended up giving him a motivation to do stuff before the second problem came into play, but that's more than a little unsatisfactory.

Re: Paperstock. We're trying to evoke newsprint and fanzines throughout the whole exercise. The paper-stock definitely helps that, and is a main reason we did it in Black and White. If we do a future Phonogram, we'd like the use or lack of colour to be conceptually grounded.

(I'm considering pitching the second series in FELL format, so that slightly thin and glossy paper of the format will have to be in it somewhat. Since the second one is all set at a club, I think trying to evoke cheaply printed club flyers is the way to go but... well, thinking aloud)

Harmony Haus Captain: If I ever do the Emily mini, we'll see what I can do. It does make you wish Emily was 10 years younger and not quite as sharp though for a Shampoo-esque exchange of "You're a void that sucks creativity" "Yeah. But you just suck. BORING" or something.

Lonely as a cloud: Actually, no, it won't be including all the essays. We're keeping the dense back matter for the individual issues as an encouragement for people to actually buy the things. We take an EP to Album sort of model, where the people really into it will get the extra stuff while the more casual observer gets the album. The only back matter for the trade will be a new glossary, which won't be quite as elaborate as the ones in the singles.

doctorbeck: Aces on both counts.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:55 / 18.12.06
I just did a fan-mixtape for #01:

http://hectorlima.podomatic.com/entry/2006-12-17T21_26_16-08_00

all info there.
 
  

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