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Phonogram: Rue Brittania

 
  

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uncle retrospective
13:20 / 10.03.07

Ah, that's better issue 5 has me back on side after loosing me on issue 4 and Kohl sums it up for me with "Remember Pulp at Glastonbury?" For me the answer is no, I'd have rather eaten broken glass, in fact I was at the Other Stage watching J. Spaceman trying to fit as many people on stage as he could to make music that would make God blush. It's just the music I love, I've no time for Bittersweet Symphony but all the time for Storm in Heaven.
What I'm saying is I've been enjoying PG as an outsider, I got the references but wasn't in any way involved with the bands Kohl is worried about (except Blur, and I still have time for both Damon and Graham) so last issues full on trip through Brit Pop ideaspace just left me cold. This month we're back on form.
Saying that I have a horrible feeling the Big Bad is going to pogo onto the comic as Ricky from the Kaiser Chiefs, predict A riot and kick Kohl in the nuts.
Humm, no I have more faith that that.
Plus I really, really love the cover for issue 6. Please make it as a poster.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:24 / 10.03.07
Funnily enough when reading the bit with the Libertines fan I did think that yeah, there's no point hating The Libertines (maybe there'd be a point in hating Dirty Pretty Things or Babyshambles if both weren't so clearly part of a downward curve headed for the dumper) - fight the real enemy: the Daily Mail Chiefs.

Seeing Ricky Wilson on the receiving end of a kicking would be like Captain America punching Hitler, all over again.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:04 / 18.03.07
got issue 5 yesterday, top form, really enjoyed this one and thinking about it a day later its because dave was on a real emotional journey, the scene with the libertines fan on primrose hill was just great.

also very much enjoyed the idea of resisting britpop being turned into a simple linear narrative and the rather cruel remark about damon albarn. genuinely good cliffhanger ending as well, only criticism, dave didn't say 'this.ends.now.albarn' at some point, i mean every comic series needs that line right?
 
 
KieronGillen
22:58 / 19.03.07
I got my Comic Cliche overload out of the way in the solicitation for Issue 6:

"Brittania lives! Yes, she's a monster, but she lives and that's all that matters. Time for revenge, starting with phonomancer David Kohl. Can he save his old mistress from herself? Does he even want to? And what does "save" mean anyway? It's mortality versus immortality in a fight to the death as PHONOGRAM reaches its astonishing conclusion."

Man, there's not many jobs you get to write sentences like "It's mortality versus immortality in a fight to the death as PHONOGRAM reaches its astonishing conclusion.". I'm terribly grateful.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
00:50 / 20.03.07
You missed '...Because you demanded it!'
 
 
KieronGillen
17:56 / 28.03.07
Well, have to save something for the second series.

And the final B-side. Last thing produced. Earliest thing in the story chronologically speaking, which seems kind of appropriate somehow.

 
 
doctorbeck
07:02 / 29.03.07
that is a lovely post script / prelude, so far, rereading the series this week, i have been surprised at the subtle emotional resonances i get from the book and have really enjoyed those quiet moments of what i think might be recognition. looking forward to #6.
 
 
KieronGillen
22:32 / 25.04.07
Issue 6 out next week, apparently, so here's the final preview for it. Sniff. Ah, I remember the days of issue 1. We were so young then.

Er... don't mind me.



Features honest to whatever Gods are watching magic for once.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:00 / 26.04.07
Would people like to join us over here?
 
 
uncle retrospective
10:09 / 12.05.07
I'm really pleased with the way that ended, I couldn't see how it was going to end well, let alone leave me with a lump in my throat. Great job guys.

Oh, I really, really loved the "fuck him and fuck anyone who'll barter anyone else's happiness for their own immortally".

I'm downloading the first two manics albums, cause there might just be more to them that The Holy Bible.
 
 
The Strobe
13:39 / 14.05.07
uncler: there totally is. The first two are very, very good.

I really enjoyed that as a finish, too; bringing it all back to the characters. Beth's resolution is great, and I loved the final page. A very sweet, gentle finish. I also thought it was smart to dispense with Britannia sharpish - Kohl "solves" that arc and also justifies his own existence, so boom, she's gone. And we can concentrate on our friends, the characters.

I like the "official" mixtape listing - worth comparing to the ones suggested in the Britpop thread Loz linked to. I will be playlisting that ASAP - just a few odds and ends there that I don't have.

So I'm very happy, overall; I'd like to end-to-end it quite soon. And then, when the trade comes out, I've got about four copies to buy for people who need to read this.

In the meantime... Suburban Glamour sounds like it could be fun...
 
 
doctorbeck
08:50 / 15.05.07
also liked this very much, to my surprise the strength of the story hasn't been the hipster musical references, clever thoughts on magic or the unbridled hatred of kula shaker, it has been grohls emotional journey and musings on getting on with life after an extended youth lost in music.

and likewise, will have a large number of trades of this to be buying for freinds. looking forward to the next book of phonogram and liberal use of the line 'this. ends.now.crispin.'
 
 
KieronGillen
16:07 / 17.05.07
Actually, McKelvie's lobbed up the cover for Suburban Glamour on his Livejournal. It's going to be lighter than Phonogram - he's dreading that sort of direct comparison, of people who are expecting my faux-intellectual gibberish - but it's really POP.



Oh - I'm actually really pleasantly surprised that no Manics fans have been aggrieved at our take on Richey near the end. I was a little worried someone would take offence, even now.

And, yes, "PHONOGRAM Trade: Ideal Christmas present!" says Phonogram's accountants.
 
 
Automatic
16:39 / 17.05.07
I cannot get enough of that man's art. Pretty much every page of Phonogram was how I wish the world would look. So nice to be able to carry a comic around that I don't feel slightly ashamed of enjoying.

Really enjoyed the mixtape too Kieron, do you have any plans for writing anything non-Phonogram related?
 
 
KieronGillen
17:06 / 17.05.07
Working on getting the pitches for a couple of other things together right now. If they ever appear, they'll be MULTIMEDIUM and THE LUDOCRATS.

Though we have had a second series of Phonogram given the go-ahead, so I need to write that too.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:19 / 27.05.07
Is the 'Cult of Richey' still a going concern? Are they still recruiting?

I really enjoyed that, though I've got to read it through in one go later for the full effect. But you're going to burn in hell for that Martin Carr joke ;-)
 
 
iconoplast
17:02 / 21.06.07
My Phonogram TPB was just dropped on my desk. Yay!

Since issues 1 & 2 have been in my coworkers desk since I first geeked out and tried to get other people to read them and be all nerd giddy with me, I'm psyched to have another copy.

Not for me, y'understand, but for my friends who started reading with my copy of isssue 3.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:55 / 24.06.07
>> I cannot get enough of that man's art.

Hear hear!
 
 
KieronGillen
09:56 / 28.06.07
I suspect some of you may get a kick out of this:

It's probably the most in-depth interview on Phonogram we've ever done, and includes lots of bits where Kitten and I say something we probably will regret. I was drinking during it, perhaps predictably.

It's also bloody long.
 
 
Automatic
15:29 / 28.06.07
Gillen you bastard, what have you done to me?

Casually watching the Manics at Glastonbury, second song; Motorcycle Emptiness. Tears are suddenly coming from my eyes uncontrollably! I didn't even cry at my Gran's funeral! Sure I liked the song back in the early 90s, but not THIS much.
 
 
KieronGillen
14:47 / 29.06.07
I like breaking people. Including myself.

Oh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmGjMuML4oQ

This has been the first glastonbury I've experieneced solely through Youtube. Look Mum, it's the early 21st century.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
12:01 / 04.07.07
Swearing like a fishwife throughout that interview, Mr Gillen.

Good interview and a great comic. Really enjoyed it.
 
 
_Boboss
14:02 / 04.07.07
i bought the trade at the weekend, as i'm not regular at dave's enough anymore to get the singles, snapped up very fast by all accounts - read it a couple of times now, and although i enjoyed it, second time especially, i'm of the opinion that it has to go in the 'interesting failures' box.

(not trying to poo in anyone's pie here, some of my favourite books are failures, just it got me thinking a bit and i thought here a good place to let some of these thoughts meander outwards... also the reviews have been shithot and i'd like to know if i'm missing something because most seem to think better of it than me, which i'm finding confusing because i can't imagine there are many people in the galaxy who this comic should mean more to than my old self. man, i had some gorgeous menswear posters on my wall... i'd be surprised if the book really works in the general 'any music fan can relate' way it's being touted as doing - the big echobelly joke is built up for pages, but is surely going to go over the head of anyone who doesn't know how rubbish they were; and the olde worlde poeme bit asks a lot of the reader to get the oasis connection, no?)

basically it comes down to the hellblazer/buffy elements not working i think (as i just realise i said pages ago - sorry for being grandad). the rest of the book is so well grounded and realistic the idea that there were some really cool magicians running around before, during and after the britpop wars, only they weren't cool magicians they were music journalists, and they do all sorts of trippy trickery shit and can turn portly mods into dust with a well thought out theory on a moment's cultural significance and stuff.... it just clunked for me, not believable enough compared to all the realistically detailed scenery, serving just to make me scratch my poor old head and wish it hadn't happened. seememd unnecessary really - all the points the book seems to want to make could have been if the phonomancers were just music journalists - the overtly fantasy genre moments, ie the psychedelic vision quest bit, the guestlist blagging, the ghost exorcism, all could have happened in the context of a druggy, messy, weirdo little melodrama and not have (for me, imho, ymmv etc.) jarred at all. the rather ludicrous assertion that these folk were phonomancers and doing something really important actually just made me empathise with my older sister laughing at me going on about how great my three stripe top was.

another aspect i had a bit of a problem with was that only half of the britop equation was dealt with. i got a lot of good insights about pop, but few about brit. why did that generational nostalgia - britain's postwar cultural golden age boomeranging back in time for the fin of the siecle - affect kohl when they were young? why did britannia come back then, and what was she really all about in the first place? (this bit niggled me because generally the handling of landscape in the book was so fantastic - making the seven bridge look like a magical fantasy land, abstract muses on primrose hill, camden seeming not just crustily cool but somehow inimical to youth-culture britain's view of itself, difficult beginnings on the mile end road, manchester a factory of post industrial geniuses, these elements filtering down to wash up on brighton beach - great stuff.) a further related point to this is to do with what's come since: the libertines moment on primrose hill seemed to miss the point that kohl was being more 2007 when he was being deliberately backward and dressing in his early manics phase. if what i see hanging out by the shopping centre is anything to go by teh youngins appear to be way more down with the big glam eyeliner darkness bit than with the tabloids' fave comedy junkie and his funny teeth.

(oh and the main character was just a wanker, i really wanted kid-with's knife to finally make an appearance, lodged deep in kohl's throat. but that doesn't make the book bad, just made the reading of it a bit more enraging than it otherwise might. any reaction's a good reaction and that.)

so yeah, a really thought-provoking and frequently very fun book, to be commended for the way it's brung a new way of doing urban fantasy to the comics market, with, for me,
a few disappointing turns. much power to all concerned just for pushing the envelope on what's acceptable in an image book, indicative of a very pleasing current trend of cool shit from them i feel. looking forward to the sequel, be interested to hear what it's got to say about clubbing and that.

(oh yeah, super art too. very readable and credible, flowed nicely, handled the fx sequences in a nice underplayed manner, handsome characters; maybe didn't do the camden memoryland scenery bit as well as it did the rest, but a fucking great job overall.)

questions for KG, because i'm feeling very letters pagey right now:
1. what was the club in bath that he went to for his step back in time bit? moles perhaps?
2. why bath? because that look would go down so poorly among the rugby shirts?
3. a the last stops on the downward spiral, why are kula shaker worse than ocean colour scene. at least they were being a bit pagan and enjoying their mushrooms and that...
4. where can i get internettage of all the back matter that came out in the singles?

(that last question for anyone really)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:20 / 04.07.07
The Kula Shaker/OCS thing is all to do with class, cultural appropriation and the ill-advised "Hitler knew a lot more than he was letting on" stuff, surely? Not saying I agree with it - although I do - but either way it's not hard to imagine why they might be hated more by Kohl.

My question is, blimey, Kohl takes a very roundabout route in that penultimate issue, doesn't he? He's at London Zoo, then he goes all the way to Mile End, and then back to Primrose Hill!
 
 
_Boboss
14:40 / 04.07.07
the hitler bit is in the ancient nazi rock twat tradition of bowie, moon, brian jones etc though... i remain to be convinced of ocs' genuine reading the back page of the paper first credentials... and both were appropriating slightly different parts of a british cultural moment (ocs mixed strict first wave mod with a fair splash of the post-yoga carnaby street bit themselves. paisley and that.) hm, actually that's a bit of a stretch, i'll have to agree the year out backpacking in goa bit is the kicker.

christ i can't believe i'm bothering to think this much about either of them. both were less crap than northern uproar or cast.
 
 
_Boboss
14:48 / 04.07.07
or heavy stereo. guess they're all small enough not to count...

except for cast though, they were huge for a bit. maybe they get grace for the las connection.

and yes, he should have stayed for another vodka and coke in the world's end and then just wandered on to get to primrose hill no? the northern/central line journey to mile end itself would have been long enough to get all his ideas on paper.

vodka and coke's not a very good drink really.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:23 / 05.07.07
i'll have to agree the year out backpacking in goa bit is the kicker.

Nobody spends a whole year in Goa, as any fule kno.

The party season runs from November to February, at which point the rainy season starts, so it's time to move North and carry on raving in Dharamasala, or McCloud Ganj. Where you can meet the Dalai Lama, if you like.

To clear up the situation with Kula Shaker, who I'd agree are unfairly lambasted, both in Phonogram and elsewhere;

In the contentious interview, what Crispian (OK, but nobody gets to name themselves until they join an internet message board, right?) said was that the Swastika was a Hindu symbol of peace, love, etc which had been reversed by Hitler's PR people (as far as I know, this is factually correct) and that consequently, Hitler 'knew what he was doing'. The book Crispian was referencing here is 'The Morning Of The Magicians' by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier, which posited the notion that the high-ranking Nazis were into teh darque magicks. Whether or not that's actually the case I don't know, but all I can say is that I read that book during my year off in India, and that if you're on a steady diet of pot, opium and LSD, as all righteous people are by the time they've made it far enough North to even think about trying to arrange a meeting with the Dalai Lama, it makes a lot of sense.

Back in London it makes less so, but it's hard to blame Crispian for trying to keep the vibe going, I suppose. George Morrissey, after all, did exactly the same thing after his time away in India.

The trouble really started, with regard to Kula Shaker, when it emerged that his mother, Hayley of movie fame (for younger readers, older guys in your family will almost certainly have shared an intimate moment with Hayley and a box of tissues at some point in their sorry lives) had been going out with this or that character with connections to a Hard Right occult sect. The implication being, at the time, that Crispian had fallen under the guy's spell, and was using his band's sub-Happy Mondays, Psych-Mod influenced pop records as a means to further some sort of Neo-Nazi agenda.

And, fair enough, he did write;

'Hey Dude
Don't lean on me, man
You treat me like a woman
When I feel like a man!'

But perhaps he was on about his step-father when he said this? Who knows.

Anyway, Mills was really gone at, when all this stuff came out, by the kind of music journalist that seems fairly despicable, IMVHO, for a number of reasons.

A)'Tommy Udo' was the hack who, if memory serves, broke the original story with regard to the crypto-fascist occult connections, but what would have to have gone wrong with things generally if you purport to be the authentic voice of the shut-down steel mills etc, but nevertheless hide behind a fairly obvious B-movie pseudonym? I suppose his real name is Valentine.

B)I wonder about the kind of 'writer' (Simon Price is the masterclass in this) who goes on about The Posh People, while at the same time celebrating artistes who are quite clearly going to send their children to boarding school, should the record sales pan out. The offspring of the Manic Street Preachers, say, (Richey did the right thing)are about as likely to end up going to the local comp, at least for more than a month, than Wills or Harry. And that apart, shouldn't individuals who are that hung up about the cash they claim to despise just have got a job in the City? They're not that hard to get if you're clever, 'unprincipled' (and what a joke that is, these days ...) and can string a sentence together - is it so awful to expect 'writers' to stand by their choices?

C)Apparently so.

D)When these characters were gunnning for Kula Shaker, weren't they, in a sense, attacking their own reflections? Mills' most vocal critics (Udo, Stephen Wells) having been vaguely associated with Hard Right movements themselves, having been former skinheads?

Basically, I think the Bluetones were far worse.

And that Lauren Laverne isn't nearly as funny as she thinks she is, either.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:34 / 05.07.07
Does anyone remember that horrible lad rock/ponce rock debate that the Melody Maker stoked up to an intensely irritating degree, with an issue devoted to it? I believe there were two 'teams' consisting of 'working class/authentic/pub rock' (Ben Mitchell, the Stud Bros and probably some of Northern Uproar) vs 'middle class/plastic/romo' (Simon Price, Taylor Parks, Orlando and Walter the Softy). It was fucking dire, and embarassingly so.
Could be the basis for a Phonogram Christmas Special mebbe?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:06 / 05.07.07
Taylor (or should I say TRAILER!) Parks - Gosh, he was clever ... How's he doing these days?

Last I heard he was involved with one of those things that it's best not to be involved with, really.
 
 
KieronGillen
09:54 / 05.07.07
Gumbitch: Worth noting that while never explicitly stated, Rue Britannia doesn't happen in 2007. There's a of date buried in it which place it - made more confusing by one of them being typoed by the Kitten (They're on Kohl's PC when Emily messages him in issue 2). Just for the record, it's late summer/early autumn 2005, where the Babyshambles fans were actually incredibly, hilarious fanatical and visibly so in the right places. Drawing a line between two fundamentally English and fundamentally retro moments struck me as worth doing.

I haven't anything to add to the Kula Shaker's merits and failings but the book doesn't state they're objectively awful in any way. They're subjectively awful - but your own subjectivity is absolutely central to pop, and worth fighting for. You could rewrite Phonogram to be about a radical Kula Shaker fan and it'd hold together. The joke isn't really that Kula Shaker are awful - it's that Kohl finds Kula Shaker so awful.

They are awful though.

The questions:
1. what was the club in bath that he went to for his step back in time bit? moles perhaps?

Nah. Then it was the Swamp, now it's a Po Na Nas (And is nowhere as bad as I painted it). Moles remains unchanged, forever.

2. why bath? because that look would go down so poorly among the rugby shirts?

I wanted something non-london to set it and went for the pure autobiography option. My Britpop was basically centred in Bath - let's do it there, as I know all these credible minor details.

(And the general theme - subjective experiences, etc)

3. a the last stops on the downward spiral, why are kula shaker worse than ocean colour scene. at least they were being a bit pagan and enjoying their mushrooms and that...

Pretty much what everyone else said. There's a basic musical response to it. While OCS were full of themselves and bombastic, there was a basic level of - yuck - craftsmanship to what they did which Kula Shaker lacked. They were sickly and sickening and they make my skin crawl - their Hey Dude* makes me physically angry in a way which it took until Jet's Are You Gonna Be My Girl to match.

But that's another story.

4. where can i get internettage of all the back matter that came out in the singles?

If after three or four series or so - if we get away with it that long, of course - we want to do a Hatful of Hollow style collection of B-sides and rareities. By my maths, we should have 50 pages of un-collected comic by the end of the second series, which is a good core for a novel/trade thing. Until then, there's no legal way of getting hold of them. Of course, there's always comic bittorrenty stuff if you're of that inclination.

Flyboy: His brain's falling apart, man. And he's provincial scum. Give a guy a break.

MacReady: The Yob Rock debate issue? Yeah. Actually one of the issues of the Maker I still own from the period. Intensely embarassing for all concerned. Though Richard 60ft Doll's attack on Hannon's shirt was inspired.

(It was always a bollocks debate anyway, as everyone in the argument seemed to know. And certainly - say - none of the Dolls were fucking idiots. When I interviewed them, we ended up talking Stranger in a Strange Land and Perfume. But - obviously - it was much easier to write the Dolls as amusing sperm-eating barbarians.)

Alex: And now I realise I never even mentioned the Bluetones. So many fucking britpop bands, so little time.

I should have so mocked Powder.

KG

*Alex quoting the lyrics doesn't really get the horror. It's much more *how he sings them*.
 
 
KieronGillen
09:58 / 05.07.07
Oh yes:

Lord nuneaton savage: I have a mouth like the proverbial sewer. Especially when drinking. My parents would be so ashamed.

KG
 
 
_Boboss
10:02 / 05.07.07
yes, i can hear as if he were sitting next to me the way he barks 'woman' as if it's the worst thing in the world, and it's making my shitflaps itch.

thanks for answering the questions mister g - hadn't got the 'not 2007' thing at all, which is silly because i'm old enough to know that comics aren't written two days before they come out.

torrents it is then, i'm afraid, interested in what the mixtape bits were see...
 
 
KieronGillen
10:21 / 05.07.07
It's going to be more interesting with the second one, in that it's set on a specific date which - by the time the comic comes out - is going to be the near history. A period piece of a period that was just over a year ago, y'know.

Will be... interesting.

(I mean, there's a Los Campesinos! element in the plot. At the time of the comic - December 23rd 2006 - they were just a net hype. At the time of me actually starting to write it, they've had two singles and a chunk of real world hype. By publication... they'll be something else. We'll see.)

KG
 
 
_Boboss
10:48 / 05.07.07
i remember that night. very windy. i was with my gf in a club called 'brighton general'(great sea view from the thirteenth floor window) listening to 'the obstetrician' sing a set which included 'high blood pressure', 'stress headache', 'pre-aclampsia' and 'nothing to worry about'. disappointingly, she neglected to do her obscure classic tracks 'bell's palsy' and 'acute facial paralysis', which we had to wait until the next morning to hear. scored some really smacky pills, got a burger on the way home. cabbie was a climate change denier who didn't think it strange that he could catch angel fish off the south english coast these days. it were wild.

(slightly wanky way of saying i may not have as many reference points in common with the next book as i did the first. still, be interesting to see it all the same.)
 
 
Spaniel
11:01 / 05.07.07
the rather ludicrous assertion that these folk were phonomancers and doing something really important actually just made me empathise with my older sister laughing at me going on about how great my three stripe top was.

That's pretty much why I haven't been able to pick the book up thus far. Sorry, KG.
 
  

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