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Oh dear. : A thread about things that tick you off quite a bit, and might even elicit a frown.

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:25 / 31.01.07
ON UR PHONEZ NOT BUYIN MOAR INTERNETS.
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:48 / 31.01.07
Coincidentally, it´s also on the online news today:

The number of those calls rose by 31% last year to 224 million in Germany. And since 2004 those calls are only allowed if the called person has agreed to them (I didn´t know that).

And some people got contracts in the mail after those calls, to which they´ve never agreed to!

It says I should handle such a call like this:
"For what corporation do you make this call?"
"Your call is unwanted."
"I ask you to delete my data from your files."
"I will initiate a [untranslatable lawyer talk] action against this corporation. Good Bye."

But it´s probably simpler to hang up.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:55 / 31.01.07
And they're so snotty. You say, "No thinks, I'm not interested," and they go "Oh, you're not interested in saving money?" SHUT UP.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
17:27 / 31.01.07
Does Germany or Spain have the equivalent of the Telephone Preference Service?
 
 
Char Aina
17:52 / 31.01.07
oh, man.
as a one time phone monkey, i can assure you that calling back those who are too quick to hang up is a common way of dealing with the job.
if you are being regularly abused, as all sales people are, the simple joy of another monkey's rising fury on the end of a phone line can often be your only joy. bear in mind that some monkeys are more sadistic than others, and some will have a lower threshold for 'deserves it' than others.

it makes little sense to blame the person you are phoning, but it does follow for most folks. you can't give your boss shit, or you'll lose your job. you can give the peope who are rude to you shit, because the worst they can do is complain to your boss. your boss won't mind, so long as he has plausible deniability ("oh, i think he thought the line had gone dead") and it seems like you are chasing sales.

i know.
it gets worse.
i have called people up and razed them for their lack of common decency and their inaibility to treat me as a human being before, and i can imagine there are other folks among your friends who have done the same. it gets wearing being the receptacle for abuse, being treated as though you deserve all the nager in the world all day. people perhaps don't realise tha you get it ALL DAY, and as such, are pretty over their moans.
you get phoned a lot? oh, once a week? well, i get heavy abuse in my ear every five minutes from someone just like you or worse, and i do that for eight hours, five days week. you may feel hard done by, but i swear, you are not having as bad a day as a phone monkey.
i'm not saying its not annoying. it is, it really is.
but you have to see the other side- your torment is dwarfed by the torment suffered by a call centre worker.

i was pretty ethical about it, in my own way - like some kinda telephonic morbius, only boiling the blood of the evildoer; the rude and inconsiderate assholes who blow whistles down the phone at you or the wankers who think they should give you a tirade about indians stealing all the british jobs - but i recognise it was really just a steam release, a way to take out the frustrations of a job on a person you have some small measure of power over.


like axolotl, taking steadily more and more joy in telling people their predicament was their own fault for not reading TnC agreements, i knew it was wrong.

cold call sales is not nice, and it is to be avoided if you are anything but a rhino-skinned asshole. you have to be a dick, and you have to confront the effects of your being a dick daily.

but yeah.

how to get them to fuck off and never call back?
they work in sales, so make it sound like they wont get a sale.

that's not to say become adversarial.
in fact, avoid that at all costs. if you become adversarial, they will, if annoyed enough about their lot and your attitude, go to greater lengths to irritate you.
it seems obvious, but so many people don't seem to get the simple fact - you don't belittle and bully your witer, because they will piss in your soup. you don't abuse call centre staff, or they will abuse the data protection act to fuck with you. i have never taken numbers from work, but i know those who have.
you won't get taken off the dialler if you get at all confrontational, and they may well lie about their name and their company name, giving you no way to get something done.

nah.
the best way is to confuse the bastards.
if they are trying to sell you internet, act really pleased to hear form them and then lead them on a merry wind of bollocks for a second or two about how glad you are that they have FINALLY got back to you, as the pr0n just KEEPS appearing, and you have NO IDEA why. donkey pr0n! with midgets! and you're allergic to midgets!
if they are trying to sell you a mobile, thak them for calling, as you have been going out of your mind with worry since you lost yours. "yo uare form orange, right? this is about the one i lost on the bus, right?"

the trick with all of this is to refuse to understand a single word they say by way of clarificationjump to conclusions. talk about how great it is that they've found your mobile, fixed the pr0n, managed to sell your car, have got their hands on an ounce, etc, etc.

this sort of approach gets them gone in a few seconds(really, no one wants to be talking to a loony when there is commision to be had) and stops them calling you back every hour to make sure you are still not interested in their brand of snake oil.

on the plus side, it also alleviates the stress of the job.
i loved the calls that make you wonder. those are your lunchtime banter, and that is what keeps a call centre monkey sane.

if you have time, it can also be fun to string them along for hours. that takes patience and skill, though, and never ends as well as it does in your head.
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:20 / 31.01.07
Does Germany or Spain have the equivalent of the Telephone Preference Service?

I read that article again, and Germany doesn´t have that. We have something similar called the Robinson list, though. When you´re on that list, companies can´t legally send you advertisements via mail.

@toksik
I won´t play any games with these people or be mean to them. I always felt uncomfortable with these phone conversations. Often I had listened to their proposals and then told them very politely that I´m not interested. But I can´t do that anymore, they´re wasting my time, and theirs, too, and it is an invasion of my privacy, almost as bad, as when they stand outside my door. Over years of unwanted calls and ringing door bells, I´ve somehow got thin-skinned and jaded about this at the same time.
 
 
Char Aina
18:24 / 31.01.07
i don't think it's mean.
bear in mind i have been on both sides of the call.
but hey, you can do what you like.

my gran uses a similar approach to yours, and hse gets called all the time. i use mine, and hardly ever get called these days. i work at home, so i'm in as much as she is, if not more.

i'm not saying method is the best, but it works well for me.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
18:36 / 31.01.07
it seems obvious, but so many people don't seem to get the simple fact - you don't belittle and bully your witer, because they will piss in your soup.

The difference being that you usually want the waiter to provide their service to you, but rarely do people want unsolicited sales calls, so the likelihood of getting angry with the latter is higher, I would imagine.

Out of interest, toksik - would you be likely to register with TPS to try to keep cold calls away from you when you're working at home? Or do you enjoy the banter?
 
 
Char Aina
18:56 / 31.01.07
i've been registered before, but i'm not currently.
it didnt seem worth it this time round, because i'm moving house for february and, as i said, i don't get many calls here anymore.

plus, it's one more hassle, sopmething else to do, and it doesnt actually stop all the calls.
companies using old dialling sheets will still ring you for a good few months after you register, sometimes even longer
they are breaking the law if they don't immediately hang up and take you off their list after 28 days, so technically you can complain about them calling beyond that point, but it does no good if you don't know who they are or where they are based. they arent likely to tell you who they work for if you slam the phone down and they call back, y'know? they're more likely to answer your 'who is this?' with a 'that guy you were rude to', or something similarly vague and useless.

my point with the waiter comparison was not that the performance of a service you require will be inadequate, more that they have a bit of power over your comfort and that you should weigh against the righteousness of the position you take.

there's a distance issue that isnt there with wait staff too, a lack of tips to be solicited and the restaurant's need to have a repeat customer that doesnt say bad things about the service.
it's definitely different by quite a bit.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
19:08 / 31.01.07
Right. that makes sense. I'm rarely rude to call centre staff, as I appreciate they're only working for who they can work for, but since I registered with the TPS a few years ago I don't get that many calls any more. One telecoms company did keep on calling, but after asking firmly to speak to their supervisors, and that they removed me from their database, insisting that they were breaking the law and pointing out that my phone number had never been on any old databases so must have been generated randomly, they gave up.

Or maybe they realised there wasn't a chance of getting a sale out of me.
 
 
Char Aina
19:14 / 31.01.07
from my experience of the sharky bastards that run these places.. i'd say yeah. it's all about sales.

i mean, the law is an issue, but it's an issue for call centre managers like it is for smack dealers - they know where they stand, and they know what risks they can reasonably get away with.
 
 
Triplets
20:23 / 31.01.07
I love calls like that, sometimes. It's good improv practice. A few weeks ago I told someone I couldn't buy double-glazing because I was taking my dog to the vet to be put down. The silence was so thick you could've packed it, wrapped it and shipped it. Haven't had a call of them since.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:27 / 31.01.07
I worked in one of those places once. They never paid me. Tossers.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
21:16 / 31.01.07
My crowning glory was when a furnace company called to ask if I wanted an estimate on cleaning the furnace and I told them that they had great timing, because my pregnant cat had just birthed in one of the ducts and I couldn't reach in there to clean up the afterbirth and it smelled TERRIBLE.

I have done a stint in call centres. Trust me -- the callers really, really appreciate something to break the tedium of disinterest and abuse.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
21:17 / 31.01.07
Oh, and asking if the phone plan being offered would also apply to long-distance calls from prison because the murder trial wasn't going so well. That got a "I'll get my supervisor" and a hang-up.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:48 / 31.01.07
Let's cut to the chase, here. Ask them how much they earn. Less than eight pounds an hour, and fuck with them with impunity. For some of us, it will be the only chance to really, really abuse the hell out of a poor person without the risk of a beating. Go to town.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
21:48 / 31.01.07
My favourite cold call was from a telemarketing company who were researching on behalf of a national commercial radio station. They played me 20-30 second medleys of various sorts of music, and asked me to say which radio stations I thought they sounded like. I kept myself and the caller immensely amused by saying that almost everything uninteresting sounded like Heart FM or BBC Radio 2 (because it did) and if it was good, like Radio 4 or Resonance FM. I was busy, expecting and then ushering in company throughout the 40 minutes the call took, but it was obvious that the caller's day was being brightened up by the silliness of it all, as was mine.

So maybe the TPS registration wasn't such a good idea.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:08 / 31.01.07
Minesweeper Record Time: SMASHED
Scriptwriting coursework: STILL NOT DONE
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
22:12 / 31.01.07


"I'll always Worship a Womannly woman. And I'll drink a glass with a manly man. I will also cane a boyly boy."-
Lord Roseberry to Winston Churchill at a dinner party held by his mother.
 
 
COG
11:54 / 01.02.07
Goddamn it. I didn't get a job I went for. The requirements were 1. Be English (check) 2. No experience (check). How did I fuck that up?
 
 
Olulabelle
12:48 / 01.02.07
Maybe someone else was more English and had less than you?
Poor you. Something better will come along.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:27 / 02.02.07
Ahh, that's a damn shame, cog.

In ticked-off news, I am cold.
 
 
Princess
19:52 / 02.02.07
American Idol contestants.
How can you not know?
You suck donkey balls.
 
 
Tsuga
22:00 / 02.02.07
They wish they could suck donkey balls.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
15:34 / 05.02.07
I cannot believe I like a song by Snow Patrol!
Martha Wainwright's voice justifies it I hope.
 
 
Twice
18:45 / 05.02.07
(I should be over this, and thought I was but I’m not and I am so going to brooood.)

Dear Planning and Planning Strategy Planner,

When I was invited to take part in the current round of strategy (implementation) planning, I felt that I might have something to offer. After the first meeting, I had a feeling that we would likely need a certain basic framework to help us implement the proposed plans. I went home and spent a mere few hours on a template which I felt might help us achieve this. I emailed my work to you and you replied, in few words, that my work was irrelevant to what we were trying to achieve. You even told me what you thought we should be doing, and set up a planning meeting with me to discuss how we might develop ‘our’ ideas. This meeting was cancelled due to (admittedly my own) illness.

Imagine my lack of surprise today, several weeks later, when our Implementation Strategy Planning Group calls universally for a document just like the one I prepared, and began discussing how such a document might come into being. I watched you quietly, you shifty eyed slinker, as you tried to avoid my gaze and failed, prompt after prompt, to mention that it was all but done.

So my ticked-offedness, dear thing, comes not from your lack of ability to mention the work that you so deftly shat upon, but the fact that I am now feeling embarrassed and threatened by my subsequent decision (out of refined irritation) to out you in the board room and then feel like a complete squealer. What made my gullet clench most, though, was the need, when asked by several people to show them my document, to say “I’d better not, it’s still under…discussion.”

Oh, Manager of Planning Strategy, I have Supervision tomorrow, and I am going to vent some more.
 
 
Haloquin
17:26 / 13.02.07
Oh Dear... *sigh*...

http://someonewhogivesafuck.com/molatar/

Nngg... urgle... Grrr...

Just... grrr...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:36 / 13.02.07
Only just met Moly then? Yeah, he does seem to have that kind of effect on people.

Barbelith is introduced to Molatar (and some collegues).
 
 
Quantum
19:04 / 13.02.07
I'm sure there was another Moly thread but by his eight balls I cannot find the thread. Whenever I think of him I almost unconsciously slip into Barbarianspeak, whence a man may hunt a dragon for fun and profit.
Poor chap.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:03 / 13.02.07
Here you go, stinking human dirtbaby. Oddly Google doesn't pick that thread up but the notoriously shite Barbelith search engine does (if you plug in Moly). Go figure.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
21:20 / 13.02.07
Devendra Banhart used in an Orange mobile advert with beardy types in a field being smugly, stumblingly happy together 'cos of their mobile phones. Oh dear.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:26 / 13.02.07
Banhart's always been something of a co-optable Fresh'n'Wild "woohoo! beards are hip- see me with my big beard and my guitar WOO!!!!"-type sellout waiting to happen, though, hasn't he?

It is a shame, though. I kind of hoped it wouldn't.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
21:29 / 13.02.07
Maybe so, though he always seemed like he worked at FreWi (Wholefoods for those in America) rather than shopped there.
 
 
ibis the being
22:32 / 14.02.07
I've taken a temp job stapling & alphabetizing papers (no, really) and I have a cubemate. I thought my cubemate was smart, nice, and amusing on day one. But on day two, casting about for conversation topics, he prodded me for political opinions. I've perceived that in my new city roughly 85% of people are religious Christians and politically conservative... so I tried very hard to plead out of the topic, warning him, "I'm pretty much a dyed in the wool New England liberal, so... most people are more conservative than me."

He pushed for something, anything, I believed in, so finally I settled on something that seemed to me quite middle-of-the-road and uncontroversial. I mentioned working recently with a guy who said that women have ruined the workforce by competing with men for jobs and lowering wages... and that now when women want to stay home they can't because a man can't earn a living wage. I said of course I disagreed with that. Anyone would, right? Well, Cubemate said, "yeah... well, but there probably is some truth to that, isn't there? I mean, there has to be some damage being done to the children whose mothers aren't staying home. I think most women want to stay home." I hummed and hawed my way out of it, just NO THANK YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS and now I don't think he's very smart & nice & amusing at all.

Again today he urged me to share my political opinions. I think he finds me entertaining, now knowing I'm A Liberal, like his personal zoo exhibit. (He also encouraged me to share some "wild stories about getting in trouble," since apparently bar-hopping and voting Democrat go hand in hand with criminal trespassing.) He asked if I could be President what would be the first thing I would change about this country. I said I would make sure all Americans have health care. I turned the tables on him and his answer was he would secure the borders, & require English proficiency for citizenship, because "I want to be able to travel around this country and not have to speak Spanish, you know?"

No, I do not know. One, you have never left the state. Two, where in this country has a white American ever been forced to speak Spanish? I would really love to know. Obviously this frightening land is out there, growing and coming to eat us, it's just that I have traveled to many US states and never seen it.

I look forward to tomorrow. Sorry for the length, I really needed to vent.
 
 
Tsuga
22:57 / 14.02.07
Es claro que esta hombre es un gilipollas.
I was forced to say that.
 
  

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