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The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier

 
  

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Spaniel
10:01 / 16.11.07
Is it sexy?
 
 
c0nstant
12:52 / 16.11.07
urghhhh. One of the shops in notts might be able to get hold of it, but it's pretty sketchy. The staff in the other shop looked pretty hacked off about the whole thing when I mentioned it. BAD DC.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:18 / 16.11.07
I must say I'm slightly surprised that more comic shops haven't decided to stick it to the Man about this. Surely 'Lost Girls' was a lot more problematic?

Anyway, if it's not too Spolierish to ask, what does anyone's who's read it (which I won't be doing for a while myself, seeing as Amazon don't seem to take Switch cards) think was the contentious material? The interviews were a bit vague about this.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:59 / 17.11.07
I assumed the contentious material related to James Bond. At every mention they refer to him as Jimmy, never Bond. There are a few more discrete references to him being 007, but it does seem like Moore went far out of his way to keep from outright claiming the character as Bond.

All in all, I wasn't much pleased with the meandering story of the Black Dossier. Plenty of expository, but not much plot. And I lost my 3-D glasses before I could read the final chapter. They were glued in with a tiny bead of cement, when they should have affixed an envelope. It was pretty neat though. I thought the ending came from out of nowhere.
 
 
Janean Patience
15:42 / 17.11.07
I don't know about anyone else in the UK, but I've just been told by Amazon.com that I might not be getting this until the end of December.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:46 / 17.11.07
Same here.

It's a supply issue as far as I know. Whatever my comic shop did to get hold of copies of 'Lost Girls' didn't work out this time. I don't know what they are so can't speculate.
 
 
Spaniel
17:17 / 17.11.07
JP, it looks like the shipping date for mine keeps getting pushed back. Currently the word is the 28th.

I hate to sound like the angry fanboy, but FUCK YOU DAN DIDIO YOU FUCKING SHIT HEAD.
 
 
CameronStewart
04:33 / 19.11.07
Dan DiDio has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:56 / 19.11.07
I'm finding that the text is a bit too crammed for my tastes: some of the margins go right up to the edge of the page almost. I hope (without much hope) that the Absolute Edition gives some of the text pieces a breather by letting them take up an added page or two.
 
 
This Sunday
05:50 / 19.11.07
Is the text cramped enough to warrant waiting for the big deluxe record-including edition, then? Or is it basically around where the text from Vol. 2 was?
 
 
Spaniel
08:24 / 19.11.07
Dan DiDio has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I assume you know this for a fact?

I should probably know better than to take Internet gossip at face value, and to be frank I don't entirely - the above was more about catharsis than being genuinely abusive - but the word is that Didio has everything to do with it. Not something which seems entirely implausible, at least from an outsider's perpective.

Many stranger things have happened than an company bigwig behaving like an egomaniacal cock.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:59 / 19.11.07
The word? The Gospel?
 
 
Spaniel
09:31 / 19.11.07
Jesus said.
 
 
Spaniel
09:43 / 19.11.07
Less facetiously, Rich Johnston and Alan Moore both suggest that Didio is the culprit.

Course, Moore isn't exactly impartial and Rich is a gossip...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:00 / 19.11.07
I just worry, Vision. I'm no fan of Dan Didio, but all this all-caps-fuck-you stuff reminds me a little of this. I worry that you're coming down with something equivalent to radiation sickness from hanging around in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. I worry about us all.
 
 
Spaniel
10:13 / 19.11.07
I know, I know. I have the same worries, hence my comment about the angry fanboy.

It's just that I really want this particular comic. Really want it. Spent a great deal of time fantastising about a relaxing evening reading it, perhaps in the bath, and talking about it with my chums both here and elsewhere.

Sometimes, when fantasising, I touch myself.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:26 / 19.11.07
Bill Clampdown?
 
 
garyancheta
15:00 / 19.11.07
Alan Moore talks about comics, sings little lulu, and punches out comic book guy (along with Art Spiegleman and Daniel Clowes) in the latest episode of the Simpsons. The clip is found here.

I think he has a wonderful singing voice, for such a hairy man. I hope we get to see the album that goes with the Black Dossier soon.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:27 / 19.11.07
Vision, I think you might want to read those recent Moore interviews and Johnston's column again - Paul Levitz is the man implicated, not DiDio.
 
 
Mark Parsons
19:26 / 19.11.07
Is the text cramped enough to warrant waiting for the big deluxe record-including edition, then? Or is it basically around where the text from Vol. 2 was?

I think it is more cramped. Spacing and type is similar, but margins are massive! It's all fabulously fun, though, even the apparently unpopular "Kerouac" beat section.

If you can wait till summer, then you can skip buying the regular-sized version and invest in the absolute. (I could not wait!)
 
 
Spaniel
07:38 / 20.11.07
Vision, I think you might want to read those recent Moore interviews and Johnston's column again - Paul Levitz is the man implicated, not DiDio.

The Vision. A Pranny.

TBH, that's who I meant. I seem to get Levitz and DiDio mixed up far too often. I blame it on old age.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:13 / 21.11.07
Wow, that YouTube clip didn't last long did it?
 
 
distractile
08:22 / 21.11.07
Anyone in the UK having problems with getting a copy from Amazon might try Barnes and Noble. It's a few quid more for shipping, but my copy has apparently already been sent out, two days after ordering. The arrival date for my Amazon order (just cancelled) was pushing into 2008 ...
 
 
alexsheers
10:29 / 21.11.07
I pre-ordered mine from Amazon around the end of October and have just received shipping confirmation for approx. December 6th. I'm guessing any new orders through them will be a New Year job, though.
 
 
Spaniel
10:54 / 21.11.07
WOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

That 1 wasn't even deliberate!

Items shipped on November 19, 2007:
Delivery estimate: November 21, 2007
1 package via UPS International 2 of: The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: The Black Dossier
Sold by: Amazon Export Sales, Inc.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:26 / 21.11.07
Yeah, mine's shipped also though it's only estimated to arrive by Dec 20. I got the other book I ordered from the States much quicker, though, so I'm hoping that estimate's off.
 
 
Spaniel
17:31 / 21.11.07
Mine arrived in the post this afternoon
 
 
Gary Lactus
21:37 / 21.11.07
Bastard! Mine didn't.
 
 
Mistoffelees
06:48 / 22.11.07
Mine arrived in the post this afternoon


What cheek!

I asked a friend, who is on vacation in Canada to get me my dossier. So in two weeks I might have it in my trembling hands.
 
 
Spaniel
09:45 / 22.11.07
Well, I'm definitely not amongst the club that'll get through this in 3 hours. I'm a relatively slow reader and I like to take the time to wallow in this stuff a bit. But after reading 30 or so pages, my impressions are:

  • Look at all the pretty, pretty art. So much detail, such well conceived design, such brilliant and consistent characterisation


  • Oooh, isn't it British. So much that probably resonates far more with a British audience than an American one. Makes it particularly weird that this isn't available over here


  • Laugh indeed I have. Really very funny


  • Dontcha just love the way Mr Moore allows his characters those deeply human moments. Like a married couple getting undressed for bed in a totally intimate yet totally unsexy way. Don't get that kind if thing anywhere else


  • Oh my God, I'm going to need to get on the Internet. Sooooooo many references I don't get, and likely many more I haven't even noticed.


  • Lots of text. A surprising amount. Is it really a comic? Can see why this wasn't called Volume 3 - it's a different beast entirely.
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    The Natural Way
    07:10 / 23.11.07
    Must. Post. When. Done. Reading.

    Argh. Need. To. Celebrate....Excellence.
     
     
    PatrickMM
    18:22 / 23.11.07
    I'm up to the 1898 part of the dossier and so far, I'm not really feeling it. The opening sequence is pretty fun, but after that it's just these endless text pieces that don't do much for me. Maybe it's the fact that I'm not that familiar with the British culture and literature Moore is replicating, but the entirety of this book feels like that atlas in Volume II that I've still yet to make it through.

    I like the way that Moore is trying to synthesize the entirety of literature into this one continuum, a history of the immateria, but reading the history of an entirely fictional place, or a real one for that matter, gets a bit boring after a while. It feels like The Silmarillion, a book that I could respect, but is more interesting in idea than execution.

    Plus, it's a bit jarring to have Mina and Alan look and behave so differently, I don't feel much of a connection to the characters from the previous volumes. And, if I hadn't heard Moore say that the characters became immortal, I'd just be baffled about why they're there.

    And, after a while even the comics stuff feels more like spot the reference than a meaningful story. I don't know who a lot of the people he's referencing are, and even when I do, it's just, so Harry Lime is M, that's cool, but it's nowhere near as meaningful as the more developed characters in the previous volumes. It just becomes a bit tedious to hear about a bunch of characters I'm vaguely familiar with doing stuff from other books.

    That's not to say there's not good stuff there. The Orlando segment was great, and I enjoyed his Shakespeare pastiche, but that's partially because I know other Shakespeare. I feel like Moore has written a book that only he can fully appreciate, more power to him for that, but between this and Lost Girls, Moore is rapidly becoming the Geoff Johns of Victorian literature, someone who's endlessly remaking the stories he read as a kid, and not bringing as much new to the table.
     
     
    Regrettable Juvenilia
    19:53 / 23.11.07
    if I hadn't heard Moore say that the characters became immortal, I'd just be baffled about why they're there.

    Did you not read the text story at the back of Volume II?
     
     
    Mark Parsons
    22:45 / 23.11.07
    I think that BD is great for what it is: a stopgap "special issue" in between the "real" books, although this does not negate the various criticisms above.
     
     
    Mark Parsons
    22:50 / 23.11.07
    I liked the text pieces, esp the 189? "origin" story told from Campion and Mina's POVs. The Jeeves and Wooster story was amusing, but I've seen so many Lovecraft pastiches and parodies (see Kim Newman's Chandler meets HPL tale THE BIG FISH) that it felt a tad too familiar. The Shakespeare fragment really blew me away and was perhaps my fave bit of the whole book, but the Keroauc-Burroughs section was, err, a little abstruse, and heck, I absolutely LOVED the "difficult" first chapter of VOICE OF THE FIRE.
     
      

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