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The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier

 
  

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Triplets
15:12 / 08.01.08
As someone living in the UK, what'd be the best way to buy this in February (when I next have some cash to spare)?

EDIT: Bah, have gone to the top of the next page. If you haven't, you should track back and read Flyb's comments on the last page.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:15 / 08.01.08
They have it in London's Gosh!, apparently.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:21 / 08.01.08
Yeah, I thought I'd have to meet Alan Moore personally in a dark Northampton alleyway at midnight and use a GHD straightener on his beard to get hold of a copy, but Gosh has them up on the shelf, bold as brass. Bless those lads.
 
 
Triplets
16:50 / 08.01.08
Va bene!

I'll have to see if one of the Londonlith can pick this up for me in February, unless the Men from G.O.S.H. can ship stuff by post?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:57 / 09.01.08
Yeah, I thought the same thing about the response to the beat pastiche. These people should try reading the fucking Soft Machine or any of the others from that trilogy if they want to see difficult. Or Joyce for that matter. I'd read some of the fan response before I started the book, and was dreading that section. Having made it through Moore's attempt at caveman speak in Voice of the fire, I was expecting to have to slog through something similar, but it was really quite straightforward and intuitive. I can't get my head around what was supposed to be so difficult.

One of the things I really liked about Black Dossier was all the stuff about "a world free of subterfuge and spies" at the end, where he seemed to be using the whole espionage/secret agent plot device to illustrate the human tendency towards duplicity, lies, treachery, suspicion and conspiracy as a condition that can neither perceive, understand or fully exist within the pure "blazing world" of the imagination that his protagonists have been reaching towards.
 
 
This Sunday
21:10 / 09.02.08
It just really sunk in that subterfuge is impossible in the Blazing World if all continuities are true and no bowdlerization is effectively possible. That's quite nice.

I don't know, I think the online criticism was better than the book, but I have read it twice through since I got a copy (someone did finally plunk down for it on my behalf) and some of the bits have got more reads than that. I just really like that people aren't criticizing, three fourths of the time, the pastiche so much as criticizing or lamenting the entire genre, mode, or body of work which Moore is mimicking. The rants against Shakespeare or the Beats are just weird to me. I'd think it would be much easier to criticise Moore's inability to rise to the glib and smooth humor of Wodehouse than to criticise Shakespeare for being unreadable. Mind, I mean proper critics, employed or self-styled, and not just fan criticism or commentary.

The Beat section wasn't particularly Kerouac, but it was the most readable and enjoyable, for my money, of the text bits. Followed by the Fanny Hill follow-up.

Tastes aside, I can't imagine trying to read this story and skipping sections. I loved how the reveals built on each other, especially how simple elements were introduced and then through literary confluence slowly transfigured into like six different things by the time they're done with. The Lovecraft/Burroughs connection spinning out of the Wodehouse/Lovecraft which in turn melded with the possible generational saga of Fu Manchu and Prof. Moriarty, with just a glimmer of beat-down Shadow and Doc Savage t'boot. The continual push of the Blazing World, of the oddity and extremity, the magicks, of the ultimate northern and southern climes as detailed in the past volumes, as well building to everything you'd ever hope for.

Alan Quatermain's remaining himself while Mina seems to've matured and developed as an immortal.

And, yes, it was nice to have a little less of the funny-rape and a bit more of the sensible proper sex, though the skewing to only sexualizing the women seemed a bit odd for Moore, who can usually be counted on to at least give a shot towards covering broader ground. The only real sexy Alan shot is the one where he's holding his lovely elephant gun at the reader, about to put one into Jimmy B. And that's not exactly the same thing, is it? Oh, well.
 
 
Spaniel
16:46 / 10.02.08
I know it's not exactly the same thing, but I think Moore did go some way to covering broader ground with Orlando, who gets to be sexy as a man and a woman.
 
 
This Sunday
19:27 / 11.02.08
I don't have my earlier LoEG books about, so can someone else confirm that the scene where we are introduced to Bunter mirrors the one where Alan and Mina were spied by the bear in the woods from Vol. 2? Panel-for-panel, even?

And, wow, after reading more reviews and the web: folks really hated the sex and nudity, didn't they? I know, I should have been expecting that, but barbelith has tainted my reflexes on comics readers, I guess. The rapes of the past two volumes were apparently entirely appropriate, but the this stuff put a lot of people over the edge. How dare Moore insinuate that Fanny Hill or Orlando would go about having sex a lot! And all parties involved seeming to have a good and knowing time of it! Scandalous!
 
 
Mistoffelees
09:56 / 12.02.08
I don't have my earlier LoEG books about, so can someone else confirm that the scene where we are introduced to Bunter mirrors the one where Alan and Mina were spied by the bear in the woods from Vol. 2? Panel-for-panel, even?

I also thought of the bear scene, when they were rudely interrupted. And there´s some similarity between the two scenes. It´s not strictly panel for panel, since in vol. 2, they´re standing at that tree for the whole page, while in three, they´re moving the whole time until the last panel.

But in the last panel and in the next as we turn the page, those similarities probably are deliberate. Mina is looking over Alan´s shoulder, suddenly seeing someone, and we have someone shouting "AAAA!". And in the next panel we see the large intruder in shoddy clothes. The bear and William even both wear green and chequered pants.
 
 
Spaniel
10:43 / 12.02.08
Not sure I'd go as far as describe the rape in volume 2 as "comedy". "Fucking" and "hideous" are the words that spring to my mind. IMO, the ghastliness is somehow emphasised by the fact that most writers would've very likely presented it as simple revenge fantasy - catharsis for the audience - but somehow under Moore's guidance the scene transcends that and becomes something utterly terrifying.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:48 / 12.02.08
Partly it's because, when Hyde's supposedly addressing Griffin, he's looking out of the panel at us. Really brings home how scary and awful the whole thing is.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:21 / 17.09.11
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