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The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier

 
  

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Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:30 / 24.11.07
Mine's also shipped now, though they are predicting a 19th December arrival.
 
 
sleazenation
10:36 / 24.11.07
It is a lovely book. Different sections in different formats featuring different paper stock.

When it was first announced I had thought that it was going to be some sort of ponderous and unnecessary deluxe edition with more style than substance, but this is fun.

I was also worried that it would have lots of bits that fall out from the pages and are easily lost, like McSweeny's 13, thankfully everything, including the tijana bible featuring Norman Pett's Jane in the style of 1984, is tightly bound into the pack. The only exception is the 3D specs, which would be less useful if they were bound-in.
 
 
_Boboss
15:35 / 24.11.07
hoochymama - there are shops and there are shops ladies and germs.
 
 
_Boboss
15:40 / 24.11.07
oh no! and the others have shipped! what a load of arse. ah well, i will have spares...
 
 
Spaniel
16:23 / 24.11.07
Er, so DXXX's got some in? How many spares are you gonna have? You been spending all your money on Black Dossiers?
 
 
The Natural Way
21:00 / 24.11.07
I'm writing quite a lengthly post on the dossier right now. My longest in ages. Hope it doesn't suck. I'll stick it up sometime tomorrow.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:53 / 25.11.07
I'm writing quite a lengthly post on the dossier right now. My longest in ages. Hope it doesn't suck.

I hope so too.

But Pigs!, man, what d'you think Freud (for all he's been discredited in some circles,) might have made of the above material?11?
 
 
The Natural Way
09:49 / 25.11.07
Shut up. Naughty.
 
 
_Boboss
10:20 / 25.11.07
well, i was trying to be a bit cool about it, what with them being open to prosecution if it were to be discovered. edit button is your friend.
 
 
_Boboss
10:21 / 25.11.07
oh, two spares, was buying one for the greek too.
 
 
Spaniel
11:41 / 25.11.07
Are DC prosecuting, though, or is it just that they're not supplying anywhere in the UK for fear of being prosecuted?

I get lost in the maze of nonsense.

Believe it when I see it, Pigs
 
 
_Boboss
12:39 / 25.11.07
well, not clear on the legal specifics obvs, but asumed it was to do with selling unlicensed copyrighted material in the uk, a trading standards thing, nowt to do with dc.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:28 / 25.11.07
I have a feeling that “but it’s all back-story/exposition” may well be on its way to becoming the default criticism of the book and I kind of want to join with Sleaze in starting the counter-insurgency now. To begin with, I think that’s a pretty reductive reading. The ‘back-story’ is still a story, charting the history of the league and its principle players, whilst simultaneously fleshing out the rest of the world and the major beats in its development. It’s hardly a series of boring facts, or simply a shallow exercise in literary referencing, a criticism which, I think it’s fair to say,could be directed at some sections of the almanac in Volume 2. For example, major historical events such as Gloriana’s reign and Jacob’s slaughter of the fairies, briefly alluded to by Orlando in hir back-story, are, further down the road, given real-world emotional clout and weight when we’re dropped right into the action in Faerie’s Fortunes Founded. This stuff isn’t some dull, lifeless aside in a travel-journal. Pysse and Shytte’s hatred of their Queen packs a nasty, doom-laden punch because we know where this is leading. And the tragedy of the death of magic in England is made tragic only because we catch a glimpse of Gloriana’s court and what might have been. And this is, of course, what the dossier’s about – to breathe life into all the nooks and crannies of the League’s universe. In this respect, it’s has the opposite effect to the almanac in that it animates the cold data compiled in the text sections of 2.

The 3rd League is as brilliant an evocation of the dream-world of 50s Britain as the first two books were of the fictitious late 19th century. The style, iconography and artifacts of 50s Britain are still prevalent in my g/f’s Grandad’s living room; the headscarves worn by grannies in Sainsbury’s on my Sunday shopping run; the suburban sprawl extending, halo-like around the fringes of our towns… I could go on forever. This isn’t stuff I would expect an American to be familiar with – it’s not as though Macmillan’s Britain is as easily recognizable as Disraeli’s; Victorian London is, afterall the romantic subject of so many films, whereas its predecessor in 1958 isn’t – and it might not therefore be quite as beguiling to foreign eyes as a consequence. Which is a shame because, from the atomic age space port to the sea-side chintz of the B & B, O’Neill’s pen really nails the time and place he and Moore set out to capture; filled with spies, clean, modernist lines and fish and chips.

I guess, in large part, there’s something distinctly unmagical about the comic-book sections of the ‘story’, which I think serves the dramatic one-two, one-two of the narrative very well. By the time we get to the church the weird and incredible back-story has reached fever-pitch in the pages of the dossier, but, on the ground, we could be forgiven for forgetting, in the case of Mina and Quartermain, just who we are dealing with - our heroes having spent a good portion of the book hitching with traveling sales-people across a drab, rain-drenched England, bedding down in soon-to-be-demolished slums straight out of the first two books and basically living out of a brown suitcase. And this is precisely why the denouement is so successful. Whose face didn’t burst into a smile when Drummond (and the reader both) finds himself confronted with the sight of Gally-wag’s airship preparing for take off? It’s the point at which the old-world banality of 50’s Britain - the tabloid headlines, the brown, woolly tank-tops and the aforementioned fish and chips - meet the imagination, wonder and psychedelia of the 1960’s, waiting just around the corner. It’s the moment the impossible bursts out of the margins and we, like the hulking antagonist, are left awe-struck and can, slack-jawed, only ask:

“Who are you people?”

And know they are all our most outrageous fictions made flesh.

Or at least that’s what it did for me.

Indeed, the idea that the final sequence is in any way abrupt seems to me to make no sense at all. We’ve been building up to the moment the Blazing world comes bursting into view for three books now. The first intimations of other-dimensional environments begin with Volume 1 and slowly, slowly embed themselves in our understanding of the league-verse over the space of hundreds of pages of comic and text. By the time we reach the 170th (?) page of the Dossier, I’d imagine most of us are getting tired of being teased with the idea of the fourth dimension and are more than ready to see it for ourselves. It’s dangled in front of us for most of the last book – of course it’s where Mina and Quartermain are headed! I can’t understand why anyone would assume otherwise.

I also find something terribly moving about the fact that it’s Gally-wag who carries us there. That this unspoken, willfully forgotten symbol of the British empire – this tool of oppression – should be so beautifully turned on its head, insisting on being seen and celebrated; that it should be an arrow pointing to a world of freedom ‘untarnished by all subterfuge or spies, unshackled from mundane authorities’, well, there’s something quite wonderful about that. Perhaps I’m not expressing myself well – perhaps there is something problematic about the use of this figure – but I really dug him. Especially when he kicked the baddies’ collective ass (which, I should add was also made doubly exciting because of the lack of magic preceding it).

Of course, we’re not really able to reach the blazing world without the assistance of another creakingly (or so I thought!) anachronistic tour guide – the ‘blink-wear’! There’s something so perfect about the poetry of having to don a pair of 3D specs in order to properly experience the end of a book largely concerning itself with the 50’s. The glasses make sense historically, thematically and are, ultimately, enormous fun, if your willing to just play along. The 3D work is incredibly detailed. There are so many highlights: the glowing pyramid, the characters’ ascent up to the party-level (truly vertiginous – I’ve dreamt about those slippery elevator-bubbles!), the Just So animals… The shifting Nyarlothep. He was fucking brilliant. Well done, Moore, O’Neill and Ray Zone. It would be easy to knock Moore for gallavanting off into familiar territory, but it’s all, as Sleaze points out above, so much fun that I can ignore the Socratic lecture-disguised-as-conversation stuff, allowing myself to be blindsided by sky fish, worm-headed courtiers, Giants and the general awesomeness of it all. To be honest, I wanted to clap as Prospero proceeded towards his tower, Caliban and Ariel in tow; and the final page seemed to erupt with thunder and Moore’s booming voice as the music swelled and the curtain fell.

As you can see, I thought this book was alright.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:28 / 25.11.07
Sussed, Boboss.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
22:00 / 25.11.07
Fuck me, Boboss. I can't wait! (Dec. 26th, alas.)
 
 
Spaniel
08:12 / 26.11.07
Ah, that'll be Pigs. We even get mixed up on the Internet!

Kadmon, for shame reading all those spoilers. I was taken completely by surprise by the Gally-wag, but fuck me if it didn't all slot into place and make the best kind of sense.

Roll on Volume 3.

In other news, Bond and Night were kind of like the dark mirror of Alan and Mina. A relationship built on (Bond's) lies, treachery and the exploitation Night's grief; a male leader vs Mina's female leadership; brown hair as oppossed to radiant blond; petty, greedy, worldly, mudane concerns. One has to wonder whether they'll show up as antagonists in some future arc - a kind of anti-league.

Cor, Moore really fucking hates Bond, doesn't he.

Enough rambling...
 
 
doctorbeck
08:32 / 26.11.07
really enjoyed this over the weekend (thank you 2 tone comics of hebden bridge). very well put together as an objcet but also thematically, i thought this massively enriched the league universe and agree with the post above that the bacck story has been a long slow tease. i wonder if later books will reveal that the 'mystery men' become the latter day heroes of the ABC universe (which top 10, tom strong and promethea inhabit). it would make sense.

for me i especially liked mrs cornelius and her useless son jerry turning up, i've long suspected that alan moore and michael moorcock are the same person *(thematically at least) so that really made me smile. also moore manged to do genre pastiche with ehart an emotional integrity, which is a big task done admirably. and 1950s post ingsoc britain was spot on. and the new-ingsoc joke welcome.

*on what grounds?
bearide wierdies writing from the provinces with sidelines in rock and rioll, psychogeography and london. genre writers who are slightly miffed at their genius being unrecognised at large, sprawling thematically linked worlds, flawed heroes and stories that critique their respective genres. wrote porn books.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:32 / 30.11.07
FUCKING A!!!! Gosh comics had some copies in, so totally out of the blue I bagged a copy yesterday. Thank you Baby Jesus!

Of course I haven't read it yet, I've just been having sex with it.
 
 
Spaniel
14:01 / 30.11.07
As a man should
 
 
_Boboss
14:49 / 03.12.07
well daves have them out on display now, the knock three times and ask for steve stuff of the week before completely forgotten, so please forgive my earlier grumpole of the bailey attitude old chum.

there's a lot to say about this book, and i don't think i'm particularly qualified to say them well, so i'm just going to drop a few thoughts and then do one.

first up, i don't think we've had a link here yet - jess nevins' annotations are extemely useful and good fun in their own right, though i'm guessing he's a little out of his comfort zone with the period of black dossier, so he's occasionally stumped, but has plenty of able assistants on hand.

before reading this i was surprised by the lukewarm reception from the blogs. now having read it(verdict: doubleplusplusgood), i think it's a britsh thing really - the reviews are generally from the US, and there does seem to be a lack of familiarity, not just with the references, but with the entire mis-en-scene, that you would have to be a bit of an anglophile to get. (i would be a bit worried about any american weird enough to get the russ abbott joke, frinstance.) i can imagine an american reader, who hasn't got some weird fetish for ealing movies or whatever, would find the territory very strange and rather drab. but as pigs said, this was incredibly engaging for me, because the period dealt with is still alive and well in our grandparents' houses, or even available if you just turn right out of my front door and go to the quieter south coast seafronts.

hey that's not a bad way to structure this post - i'll just give personal responses to some of the more common criticisms that i read in some of the blogs the other week.

plotlessness: i was impressed with the way the history and the present (i.e. 1958) of the league's world was fleshed out, demonstrating how history has an effect on all of our daily lives, and raising interesting questions about how much of history is 'his story' (thanks krs1), how much myth, and how much fact. i also enjoyed the attempt to develop a story in a genuinely fourth-dimensional(yes yes, eleven, twenty-three, exclamation mark) fashion: early on we get answers to questions that won't be asked for a hundred pages - smart.

merely a filler: there's some truth to this. the black dossier is in some way a very well ornamented bridge between the next book and the last. i don't care - foreshadowing is fun. i can't wait to see how the rubbishy post-mina league get killed, i'm desparate to know what is scaring carnacki so much (one of the things i love the most about the carnacki stories is the way that he really gets freaked out by what he sees - no stoical aceptance of cosmic grimness for him, lots of running out of the magic circle screaming his head off like a right cowardy custard - like a proper hero, his courage is proved later when he overcomes his fear), i want to know what orlando is wearing today, i hope we get a proper throw down with the french and german leagues (though i think if this is all we see of them we'll still have done quite well).

a huge byzantine cathedral to the art of reference dropping, with no real meat there: this criticism confused me at the time, to be honest - essentially moore and o'neill are being accused of being too geeky... by people who have comic blogs. oh the irony. anyway, i don't think they're looking at it right - ther eare many refs i don't get, but those i do are heavy with meaning and suggestion. let's take a couple of examples of the references and see what else they offer: 1. M, for instance, is harry lime, who,if memory serves, is a baddie because he puts pharmaceutical company profits ahead of common morality. 2. mina and allan get picked up by albert argyle, heading north. these aren't empty refs for the sake of it - these are signposts to the dangers of the future, of britain succumbing to corporate power and rampant thatcherism (jack trevor story = genuine prophet, finest writing englishman since blake)

moore's prose stinks: this is the point i expected to have the most sympathy with, having found some of the lat book's almanac sections decidedly whiffy, and generally being badly disposed to the gent following some of his creakier recent tv apearances. but i was surprised - he does a good bard (i think a good jonson really, but who cares..?), not a good kerouac but non-specifically a good poundian beat (see what i did there?), a wodehouse that made me giggle a couple of times, so job done there... is that it? on balance, i reckon moore probably does as good a job with the prose chameleonics as o'neill does with the art - that's to say it conveys information lucidly and attractively in a variety of recognisable historical modes. it's easier to knock prose than art though, innit?

i think that's all the criticisms i can remember. not much more to say, except: the filth and the funny - two thematic additions to the usual superhero derived pulp larks, and very welcome.

william gull giving an alternative tour of london?! cheeky.

quite famiiar with the life and times of the corneliuses, but never really felt how horrible their upbringing must have been before. all three of the children have my sympathy.
 
 
Spaniel
17:38 / 03.12.07
I'm wondering if there's a consensus among Brit readers that the book is rather exclusive - I know I feel that way. So much of it referenced stuff that resonates very strongly with me, but that I can't imagine having had much, if any, purchase on the minds of foreign types.

Yeah, and fuck, Russ Abbott. Please none of you tell me you know who Russ Abbot is.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
22:08 / 03.12.07
Mine arrived today. By God, it's a beautiful object. So far, I can't put it down, though I am racing through some of the over-long prose sections, Fanny Hill specifically. Loved the Crowley pastiche, very good imitation. To be fair, the Faerie thing is heavy right from the start, so even if it hadn't been spoilt, I wouldn't have been surprised. Anyway, I turned straight to the end for a look.

And it's perfect. It looks magical, and makes perfect sense. Imagine if the Immateria had looked like this in Promethea. Does anyone know of any other instances of 3D comics?
 
 
This Sunday
22:19 / 03.12.07
There've been 3-D comics here and there for quite some time. Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters did it, there was a Three Stooges thing, at least one Disney thing, Popeye the Sailor... and I have taken perverse delight in reading many not-intended-for-that comics with blue & red lensed 3-D glasses on, just for the color popping fun. There was a guy out of Santa Barbara, during the everybody's-a-publisher craze back in the day, who did 3-D adaptations of various Romantic poets; Byron and Keats and such, fuck if I remember his name though, and Google's no help.

Only the first and last namechecked by me actually played up the 3-D aspect in a story way, though. The former making jokes about depth and just being red and blue lines laid over each other, the latter using the affect as heavenly or supernatural.

I gather the Beat pastiche and other familiar ground will more than make up for my total ignorance of Russ Abbott.
 
 
Spaniel
07:52 / 04.12.07
And ignorant you must remain!

Oh, there's stuff that'll be familiar, alright. I wouldn't want to suggest that you won't get anything from the book - you might love it for all I know - but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't connect with you in anything like as powerful a way as it connected with me.

I have to say, I do feel uncomfortable suggesting that this is a book for Brits* and no-one else, and, well, that's obviously not entirely true, but I think it's inarguable that the driving narrative - the actual comic bits - that bind the work together are constructed from a very particular set of experiences, shared narratives and fictional constructions

*And very possibly only Brits from a certain set of backgrounds
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:09 / 04.12.07
According to a friend of mine who has waited a lot of tables, Russ Abbott is the most polite man in showbusiness.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:09 / 04.12.07
Perhaps that's true when one meets him in person.

On the other hand, he did record '(I Love A Party With A Happy) Atmosphere' which must have ruined more than a few social occasions, in its time.
 
 
Quantum
12:32 / 04.12.07
I really, really loved this book, from the Pornsec insert to the detail of the blazing world to the Shakespeare, even down to the cartridge paper used for the Fanny Hill section.

It's the best comic I've ever read and does things to the medium nobody's done before, it's Moore on top form. Better than V or Watchmen to my mind, it's brilliant.
 
 
iamus
12:56 / 04.12.07
On the other hand, he did record '(I Love A Party With A Happy) Atmosphere' which must have ruined more than a few social occasions, in its time.

He did, however, eventually buy up the rights to the song and refused allowance to play it on radio ever again.

Takes a big man to admit his mistakes like that.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
13:01 / 04.12.07
What goes unreported is the 8 months he spent on a campaign of intimidation against all the mobile discos in the UK.
Maybe C.U. Jimmy will be a member of the Eighties league. Along with Patrick Bateman and Buckaroo Banzai.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:04 / 04.12.07
That's actually quite heartwarming.

Cheers, iamus.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:08 / 04.12.07
I hear that Russ Abbot is one of the key figures in Moore's Moon & Serpent occult group, and has attained a very high grade as an Adept. There's also a rumour doing the rounds in occult circles that Alan Moore is currently working on a 200 page graphic novel about the hidden history of the High Magus Russ Abbot and his scarlet woman, Bella Emberg.

The true mysteries alluded to in "Happy Atmosphere" are clear to anyone of a sufficient grade of initiation, and Abbot was forced to withdraw his opus from the public domain by various high ranking secret masters as it revealed too many of the order's secrets in plain sight.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:12 / 04.12.07
What goes unreported is the 8 months he spent on a campaign of intimidation against all the mobile discos in the UK.

All right, but at least it stopped. Can the same be said about Queen, for example?

(I've not read the Black Dossier, but from what I can gather, this hopefully isn't totally off-topic)
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:31 / 04.12.07
I hear that Russ Abbot is one of the key figures in Moore's Moon & Serpent occult group, and has attained a very high grade as an Adept. There's also a rumour doing the rounds in occult circles that Alan Moore is currently working on a 200 page graphic novel about the hidden history of the High Magus Russ Abbot and his scarlet woman, Bella Emberg.

The true mysteries alluded to in "Happy Atmosphere" are clear to anyone of a sufficient grade of initiation, and Abbot was forced to withdraw his opus from the public domain by various high ranking secret masters as it revealed too many of the order's secrets in plain sight.


You're not supposed to say that in public

I was being positive about Them for a reason, you know?

Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk, as it were;
hopefully, They won't notice.

But in the meantime, I'd take extra-special care on the way home, were I you.

Which thankfully ... But I'm sure it'll be all right.

Keep a Holy Book close to your chest, plus a gun, a lighter and a knife, and a new deck of cards with girls on the back for the forseeable future though.
 
 
Spaniel
13:53 / 04.12.07
Topic ahoy!

Kin'ell, Q, that's some mighty praise. Can you elaborate a bit? What exactly rocked your pants off?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:16 / 04.12.07
Polished this off today. What a treat, what an absolute fucking treat! What an incredible way to tell the history of the League in a propulsive fractured narrative. Just very very very good...no matter how jaded I think I've become with some of my childhood idols, it's nice that Moore manages to leave me jaw-dropped and awestruck, and just plain giddy with comics happiness.
 
  

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