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Dilemma dilemma OMFG dilemma!

 
  

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P. Horus Rhacoid
19:24 / 09.01.06
'Nesh I agree, but would venture that relatively few would possess the necessary emotional clarity to view the situation with such amused detachment. Perhaps I'm doing Phobias a disservice but, based on what he's written so far, I certainly don't think he does.

No disservice at all. While I felt a certain amount of detached amusement toward the ridiculousness of the whole thing before she moved away- it was the best way I found to deal with it- it was always coupled with a sense of resignation that I was in fact emotionally attached to her, and that yes, I was hanging around in my room on a saturday night and not going out with my friends because I was torn up about it. Having had to think things through to make this thread, and having read people's responses, it's becoming increasingly clear that no, I am not Over Her. Listening to her get porked by the boyfriend would not, I think, do wonders for my emotional well-being. I do see what you're saying, Mirror, and I value bizarre and fucked-up friendships, I don't think I could muster the necessary detachment.

GGM You're just hoping that someone can come up with a compelling reason as to why it is a good idea, because you want to be close to her.

Alas Gotta agree with all the wiseheads around here. I mean, whether you intended to or not, you've framed the whole description of the relationship in such a way that we couldn't possibly say, "Oh, yes, ask her to move in, and give her your credit card and bank account PIN." You do know what you need to do: Just Say No.

I think you're both pretty spot-on here.

Nina And also that hand holding thing... totally unacceptable unless you can call that person your special love bunny to their face and it makes them roll their eyes.

We were drunk! But, yes.
 
 
Ganesh
19:24 / 09.01.06
One would require Buddha-level detachment for such a situation to be "fun".

Or, as I say, a strong fetish for/need to be humiliated.
 
 
ibis the being
19:50 / 09.01.06
Dude, you went from "over her" to "pretty much over her" just in telling the story of receiving that recent phone call! Not-over-her alert!

Who even knows whether she really likes comics and bad movies, or those are just the feathers on the lure. I wouldn't put a certain level of fakery past someone who clearly thrives on others' unfulfilled lusting for her. I had a similar period of one-way "love" for a friend (who among us hasn't?) some years ago. Notably, his whole personality was a carefully assembled amalgam of habits and preferences selected for their crush-inducing qualities. It was hard to say whether he ever really liked anything without considering how attractive liking it would make him appear.

Uh, anyway, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, do not let this woman move in with you. Extremely bad idea.
 
 
Char Aina
20:01 / 09.01.06
snark? moi?
sorry if i came across snarky to you, dude. i didnt intend to.
i'll admit 'teh bollocks' could be a little strong, but then i felt that mirror suggesting that it would only be presuppositions making one miserable was a bit unfair.
it could be, sure.
i dont think thats what ze said, though.
ze said 'must accept', which leaves little wiggle room.

i guess i'll wait and see what ze says, and hope ze understands that my use of what you've called a snarky tone is nothing to with anything other than my disagreement with the sugestion that ze knows how my mind works.

that and that i love hir.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:02 / 09.01.06
Not to dwell on your non-dilemma, but I don't understand:

"stereotypical Barbelith attractions"


Well, I do understand it. In fact, I a authored a post just like this 2 years ago, much to my dismay, and some people might remember.

And I add my name to the chorus of people saying: no no no, disaster, ruin, devastation. Whatever you have to do to prevent this from happening, do it.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
20:09 / 09.01.06
In fact, I a authored a post just like this 2 years ago, much to my dismay, and some people might remember.

I suspect that looking back on this in a couple years is going to be extremely amusing. And embarrassing.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
20:13 / 09.01.06
Heck, it's both of those right now.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:13 / 09.01.06
Ah, does freaking teasing women. Been there, done that...

This is probably big desaster waiting to happens, but, hey, dude, if you don't do it, you'll never know what would've happened, and that's a bitch.

On the other hand, if you can be a total pig, the best way to get over her for good is to screw her and then dump her...big time. Or, even better, bring a girl home and have crazy animal sex while she listens from the other room. This way, there's a pretty good chance she will fall for you, y'know.

And, also, there's a tiny chance she wants to move in with you because, while she was away, she realized you're the great love of her life. And she's looking for a way to get back into your life and keep the dominant position she used to have.

We, humans, are so fucked-up...
 
 
Char Aina
20:14 / 09.01.06
i'd advise against taking mr megatron's advice.
 
 
matthew.
20:45 / 09.01.06
bring a girl home and have crazy animal sex while she listens from the other room. This way, there's a pretty good chance she will fall for you, y'know.

Ah, sitcom logic. Or is this rom-com logic?

No offense, Dead Megatron, but that's shit advice.

Don't do it, Fun.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:45 / 09.01.06
Advises, advises...

I was jokely exagerating, as I most often than not do. But, in the end, my friend, ask yourself this: what does your heart tell you? Do you want to take the chance? If so, screw the risks: true love is to hard to find to let go. And true love often come from people who, at first, do not seem to deserve it. But love, Love, LOVE, is not a merit game. It's not about what you can gain, it is about what you wish to give. It's not about peace-of-mind, or stability, it's about goddamn PASSION...

As a famous Brazilian poet/musician said once: "may our love note be everlasting, for it is like fire. But may it be infinite, for as long as it lasts..."

GO FOR IT!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:05 / 09.01.06
Awww shucks. I'm surely not the only one who finds the concept of love as something that utterly blinds you completely nausea inducing?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:08 / 09.01.06
Better now?

Personally, I would advise against being friends with her - because she can still say something like she has - and send you off like this, intent on making some issue some something out of it, post a topic on the internet, whatever you might say to yourself. She says one thing, you're going over it all again. Brings it back in an instant. If she clicks her fingers, you're right back there. You want to justify it, but you can't.

And, joking aside, the "but she likes... and..." - thats true! You can laugh at yourself, it's funny. Funny cos its true.

And if any of this seems mean...

*Wishes he'd listened to his friends once, long ago*

*Not that long ago*

*Has issues*

*Repeats own post to self as if a mantra*
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
21:22 / 09.01.06
Alternatively, get very drunk, ring all of your ex partners and ask them to move in with you saying "it'll be like one long sex party" because hey - why jump when you can leap? - realise your mistake, run away, and go and live in the forest.

Where you survive on eating bark. And squirrels occasionally berate you, laughing and sniggering behind your back going "hey, hey... it's that guy *snigger*".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:49 / 09.01.06
If she starts moving in and you realise you've messed this up and not actually said no I suggest you try to kiss her. Either way you'll win and she'll lose.
 
 
Billuccho!
21:59 / 09.01.06
Go for it.

What the hell, eh?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:02 / 09.01.06
Bill of R, I don't think you fully realise the gravity of this thread. Can you not muster up a little support? I just don't think "eh" is going to wash when a man is in deep emotional pain.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
22:21 / 09.01.06
Fun With Phobias, I feel for you. Tough choice. On the one hand she's a friend in need. On the other,... well...

BTW, I take it she doesn't know about your true feelings? If so: do you think if she knew about your feelings she would want to put you (and herself) in such an awkward and potentially upsetting situation?

Also, does she really NEED to stay at yours? Has she no other options?
 
 
Dead Megatron
22:23 / 09.01.06
I think Nina nailed the solution. Let her move in, but tell (rather, show) how you feel as fast as you can. Don't waste anymore time of you life, buddy. Don't make room for inuendos, don't let her play games, whatever cliche you need to repeat yourself to muster the guts to do it.

Incidentally, are you the shy-kind o'guy? Cus', if you are, I totally relate to it.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
22:36 / 09.01.06
Oops! (Sorry, I'm having a bad week) I just re-read your opening post and was reminded of the following:

... while she does just enough to keep me interested (moving into the same building as me, occasionally dropping bombs like how she would have dated me in high school, etc)(I know, I know, she gets off on having dudes like her, I realized this about a month in but really it made no difference because I am a moron).

If your assessment of her character is correct, I suppose that kind of answers my initial questions.

Still, (if you value her friendship enough to not want to lose it), I repeat: if she does come back, does she really NEED to stay at yours? Has she no other options?
 
 
Billuccho!
22:45 / 09.01.06
It was more of a faux-Canadian 'eh' than an "I don't give a patoot" 'eh.'

It is much easier to just say "go for it" to somebody else than to actually do it yourself, after all.
 
 
Dead Megatron
23:23 / 09.01.06
I've done it, man! And, in my case, it paid off, but, it. was. not. easy!
 
 
Char Aina
23:24 / 09.01.06
why not start writing songs about her? that way you can sing them in your room all the time, especially when they have sex. for extra points, see if you can tailor them to the her boy's rhythm. award yourself at least ten every time you finish with them.

they dont have to be good, just heartfelt and filthy.

what nina said as well.
could work, could blow up.
you wont have to deal with the problem anymore either way.
i'd have a few choice lines for afterwards, when she is likely to say things that make you feel small.(you're just a friend, i dont know what gave you that impression, etc.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:42 / 09.01.06
Best to make her as dependent on you as possible before you put the moves on. Having her living under your roof is a good start, but could you maybe starve her for a few days as well before going for the kiss? Maybe wait for her to stub her toe really badly when you have all the painkillers in the house?

But seriously. I think the question we need to ask has not been (forgive me if I missed it). Will she be paying rent?
 
 
Char Aina
23:44 / 09.01.06
good point.
and will it be in the form of money, i wonder?
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:15 / 10.01.06
Oh, sweet baby Jesus. No. As suggested to Ender (right? the dude who wishes he knew how to quit Steve? I know he's changed his name, but I think he's Ender currently), you need to read The Art of Mackin' and its equally brilliant companion piece, The Mack Within. These Books will Change Your Life. And, man...you need that. For true, yo.

Eddie Thirteen
From Teh Bleed.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
00:30 / 10.01.06
I really enjoyed this book. It provides step-by-step advice to help you "tighten up your game" when steppin' to females. Learn to spot the difference between "top notch" women and "chickenheads" and why it's a waste of time to approach the latter at clubs. Learn about the importance of having confidence in yourself to achieving true Mack-dom and that to play the game, it's best to comport yourself with honesty.

In short, the author provides straight-forward, easy to follow advice on how to transform yourself from a "trick" to a "Mack" and have more success "steppin' to the ladies."

Highly recommended!


My way is clear.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
00:31 / 10.01.06
Addendum: what the hell's a 'chickenhead'?
 
 
Char Aina
00:34 / 10.01.06
dude, you are such a trick.
that shit is day one at mack school.
 
 
Ganesh
00:42 / 10.01.06
You'll never make it to the big Mackademy.
 
 
matthew.
00:49 / 10.01.06
Again, Ganesh! We should have a pun-scoreboard.
 
 
Slim
00:56 / 10.01.06
Reading Fun with Phobia's post was like reading an entry from my journal. So similar it's scary. That being said, I have to agree with most people here when I say that it's a monumentally stupid idea. Of course, I would have done the same thing you did and say she could stay there.

I suppose it's all fine and dandy as long as you recognize that this situation registers a 9.5 on the Scale of Things Likely To End Badly.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
01:40 / 10.01.06
I'm surely not the only one who finds the concept of love as something that utterly blinds you completely nausea inducing?

No, you are not.
 
 
eddie thirteen
01:42 / 10.01.06
Man, that's not even gonna START well.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
01:46 / 10.01.06
Goth.

Calvin's dad was goth? I mean, I know we never got much of a look at his private life, nor did we ever know what books, exactly, he was reading when Calvin burst in...

I've known more than one person who would put themselves in bad situations in the hopes they can learn to deal with them. They're the sort of people who recognize the fact that the only time they learn or grow is when they're under a moderate amount of stress. Sometimes it works out for them.

I don't think they really enjoy it much though.



But give it a shot. C'mon. Do it.

Go on.

Do it.

He's gonna do it anyway, you know.
 
  

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