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Dilemma dilemma OMFG dilemma!

 
  

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P. Horus Rhacoid
15:44 / 09.01.06
Right. So: it has come to my attention that the last three girls to whom I've been significantly attracted have been stereotypical Barbelith attractions, in that they all had boyfriends at the time. This may say interesting things about me but that is not my dilemma. My dilemma concerns the most recent one. The quick facts of that particular non-relationship: we actually were together for a brief time last fall, she broke it off, her ex came back from overseas and they got back together, cue six-seven months of sighing, brooding (Roommate: "Dude, you want to go get food?" Me: "Give me fifteen minutes, I have to write an email and brood a little bit.") while she does just enough to keep me interested (moving into the same building as me, occasionally dropping bombs like how she would have dated me in high school, etc)(I know, I know, she gets off on having dudes like her, I realized this about a month in but really it made no difference because I am a moron). Finally in the summer after we got drunk, aggressively spooned and SLEPT IN THE SAME BED I took a step back and said (to myself, not her), 'wait just a fucking minute here.' Around this time she dropped out of school and moved halfway across the country with her boyfriend. All this is doubtless familiar. Through it all she has been one of my closer friends. I know. I know!

So anyway we've written a couple letters, talked on the phone occasionally, sent the odd text message. So far, so good, fairly typical stuff. I'm over her, we can be friends, everything's good. Then a couple weeks ago I get a call, summarised thusly:

"Hey," says I.
"Hey," says she.
"So what's up?"
"Well, I might have to come back home for the summer."
"Oh really? That's cool, I was beginning to think I'd never see you again."
"Actually, I don't want to be stuck in a house alone. Could I live with you?"
I say "sure." Conversation ends and I wander into the kitchen and laugh hysterically for ten minutes.

I'm pretty much over her. I think I'd be fine with it; I like her, I like spending time with her, she's a fun person to be around when I'm not being all tragic unrequited lover, which I'm not anymore. However, I have a nagging fear that over-her-ness is predicated in part on her not living in the same house as me. I've talked to a few people about this; their responses have ranged somewhere from 'that's a terrible idea, don't do it' (the only drunk person I polled) to 'do whatever you think is right, maaaaan' to 'that's a bad idea but I'd probably do it, also I'm glad we're talking about you and not me.'

And so I turn to you, the wise people of Barbelith, for advice. Would it be an absolute disaster if she did end up living with me? Would somehow acquiring a girlfriend between now and then help? If I decide I don't want to live with her, how on earth do I tell her that? Am I a complete idiot for liking her for 9 months straight even when I did realize that she was doing many things to encourage it (answer: yes)?

I should point out that it's not a definite thing that she would want to live with me if she comes back, nor is it by any means definite that she will come back. She will also almost certainly be with her boyfriend, not that that makes a whole lot of difference.

I welcome advice, witty commentary, or piss-taking in whatever proportions seem appropriate.
 
 
Ganesh
15:46 / 09.01.06
It would be a disaster. Don't even give the idea houseroom.
 
 
Jub
15:47 / 09.01.06
How does one agressively spoon?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:47 / 09.01.06
No no no no no no.

Worst idea EVAH
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:53 / 09.01.06
On the evidence of this topic, I would say being friends with her is a mistake, let alone living with her.

You know the answer. You actually know it, so stop moaning, asking people their advice and just do the thing you know you have to do but don't want to.

Now.
 
 
ZF!
15:55 / 09.01.06
Not to dwell on your non-dilemma, but I don't understand:

"stereotypical Barbelith attractions"

I'm relatively new here, so do people on Barbelith typically have attractions to people in relationships that they are not a part of?

As for your dilemma, I'd say if you want to make life more interesting and painful for yourself, then, hell yeah! Let the girl live with you.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:59 / 09.01.06
Terrible idea. And yes, it's the sort of thing I would do. And it would still be a terrible idea.

Don't do it, mate.
 
 
Mistoffelees
16:00 / 09.01.06
I agree, donĀ“t do it!

Just imagine, she gets her boyfriend home and you can hear them get physical in the next room.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:02 / 09.01.06
Actually, on further reflection, I feel I should add to my last post that it's the sort of thing I HAVE done more than once, and speaking from experience you really don't want to go there.
 
 
Smoothly
16:02 / 09.01.06
Tell her that she can only live with you if you can move on from aggressive spooning to some frenzied hand-holding.
 
 
Ganesh
16:08 / 09.01.06
Then again, Phobias, you might get off on the humiliation of being Spare Male...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:10 / 09.01.06
... in which case move into the basement and give them the whole house.
 
 
Ganesh
16:14 / 09.01.06
Or a box and gimp suit.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:17 / 09.01.06
Point.

In which case, you can get started here (NOT WORK SAFE link)
 
 
Char Aina
16:18 / 09.01.06
yeah.
its hard to say it, but you know you must.
tell her no.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
16:32 / 09.01.06
Good gravy!

Suedey On the evidence of this topic, I would say being friends with her is a mistake, let alone living with her.

The thought has occurred to me before. But... but... she likes comics... and laughing at bad movies... and... and... when she didn't actually tell me she would have gone out with me in high school, she only implied it really strongly, and-

Okay stopping now.

You know the answer. You actually know it, so stop moaning, asking people their advice and just do the thing you know you have to do but don't want to.

Well, there's still a possibility none of this will be an issue, but... yes. You're correct.

Tell her that she can only live with you if you can move on from aggressive spooning to some frenzied hand-holding.

Man, we totally did that last March.

GGM ...in which case move into the basement and give them the whole house.

Ganesh Or a box and gimp suit.

Ouch.

Well, I wasn't expecting quite that volume of opposition but you are all correct and yes, I am an idiot for not realizing this myself in the first place. God, it really is a terrible idea isn't it. Or the stuff bad romantic comedies are made of. The two are not mutually exclusive, are they.
 
 
Mirror
16:50 / 09.01.06
Sure, it's a bad idea, but I say go for it anyway, if and only if you can go into the situation with a bit of emotional detachment.

I mean, sure, it might make you miserable sometimes, but it also might make you really happy sometimes. When I look back at the relationships I had in college, one that meant the most to me was completely fucked up in a very similar manner to what you're describing. It was alternately wonderful and miserable but overall the drama of it was exciting.

If you can keep your head enought to recognize meaningless drama for what it is when it comes up, I think you could actually have a lot of fun with the situation.
 
 
grant
16:53 / 09.01.06
Yes, let her live with you, but make sure you slip dried psychedelic mushrooms into the tea canister, replace all your furniture with exercise equpiment (stationary bicycles, weight benches, etc.), and place cameras in every room. So we can watch on the net.
 
 
Char Aina
17:08 / 09.01.06
what's funny about being next door when they shag?
unless you reckon the "look at how miserable i am! isnt life funny!" comedy is worth the pain.

can you imagine what it will be like bringing back another girl? how is anyone else going to feel when they suss(as they will) that you arent fully over someone else? someone else you also live with?
bad bad bad.
some funny is only funny from afar, and this is that funny.
if you do go for it, you should do what grant says. that funny is perfect over a webcam.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:24 / 09.01.06
The thought has occurred to me before. But... but... she likes comics... and laughing at bad movies... and... and...

Using you as a doormat.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:31 / 09.01.06
I understand that your dilemma is that you know what to do but you're too busy cringing inside to tell anyone you know and listen to them. In fact the very act of cringing is making their views fundamentally useless to you. I've been in this position myself although without the potential live in pain.

Letting her live with you is frankly a waste of your time. You'll only be indulging yourself in the worst possible way. Carry on being friends if you really want to- there isn't actually any harm in having a stupid crush on anyone as long as you know it's a stupid crush and you do seem to know that. Just don't let her move in with you. That way lies misery and stupidity and being unable to move without potential strangulation and then you would go to prison.
 
 
Ganesh
18:33 / 09.01.06
In which case, you can get started here (NOT WORK SAFE link)

Expectations is where I get my gimp suits...
 
 
Mirror
18:34 / 09.01.06
what's funny about being next door when they shag?

The delusion that it's somehow important? The presupposition that it should make you miserable, which you must accept for it to actually be so?

Use different axioms.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:34 / 09.01.06
And also that hand holding thing... totally unacceptable unless you can call that person your special love bunny to their face and it makes them roll their eyes.
 
 
Lurid Archive
18:39 / 09.01.06
TMI, dude, TMI.
 
 
Ganesh
18:40 / 09.01.06
The delusion that it's somehow important? The presupposition that it should make you miserable, which you must accept for it to actually be so?

I agree, but would venture that relatively few would possess the necessary emotional clarity to view the situation with such amused detachment. Perhaps I'm doing Phobias a disservice but, based on what he's written so far, I certainly don't think he does.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:46 / 09.01.06
I am an idiot for not realizing this myself in the first place

Thing is, from the your initial post, it seems that you do realise this for yourself.

You're just hoping that someone can come up with a compelling reason as to why it is a good idea, because you want to be close to her.

I've been there so I'm more sympathetic than my 'basement' comment might suggest. (where there' is some value of='wanting to do completely mad things out of being barmy about someone' (and furthermore, doing those barmy things))

I do get that it's not what you'd like to hear, but I suspect it is what you knew you'd get. Because, at heart, you already know the answers here.
 
 
alas
18:49 / 09.01.06
Gotta agree with all the wiseheads around here. I mean, whether you intended to or not, you've framed the whole description of the relationship in such a way that we couldn't possibly say, "Oh, yes, ask her to move in, and give her your credit card and bank account PIN." You do know what you need to do: Just Say No.

You'll thank Nancy Reagan some day.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:50 / 09.01.06
Expectations is where I get my gimp suits...

Dude, I'd expect no less, it's the last word in 'where do I get my gimp suit'. Marvellous place. Which is why I thought I'd direct FwP there.
 
 
Char Aina
18:50 / 09.01.06
sorry, mirror, but you are talking teh bollocks.

if i like someone who is fucking someone else within earshot it isnt a delsuion or a presupposition that i should feel pain that makes me miserable, if i am.

its the repeated emphasis that i am not through there that comes with every noise, the noises making it easier to imagine both the sex she is having without me and the sex she is not having with me.

perhaps i have missed your point..?
 
 
Char Aina
18:56 / 09.01.06
I agree

you do?
i would appreciate if either you or mirror could enlighten me, then.
 
 
Axolotl
18:57 / 09.01.06
Phobias: What everyone else said. Don't do it, sure it's tempting and you can come up with all kinds of justifications, but it's a really bad fucking idea; full of misery, heartache and awkwardness like you've never known before.
I'm ashamed to admit it but I speak from experience. It didn't start off like this, but turned into it and ended really, really badly and still makes me physically cringe when I think about it. *shudder*
 
 
Lurid Archive
19:17 / 09.01.06
I'm gonna disagree with everyone and advise you to go for it. It is so obviously a bad idea, it will clearly make you miserable and I think you need to embrace that. The fact that you are so conflicted tells me that you desperately *need* this destructive event in your life, over which you will one day shudder in shame, in order to give you some perspective. Pain and humiliation will make you grow as a person.

Besides...admit it...you *know* something is gonna come of it, dont you?
 
 
Ganesh
19:21 / 09.01.06
you do?
i would appreciate if either you or mirror could enlighten me, then.


Sure - but perhaps you could tone down the snark just a li-i-ittle first? Ta.

Mirror maintains that, in the grand scheme of things, one's previous 'romantic' ambitions/entanglements need not be a barrier to one maintaining a friendly platonic relationship as flatmates; the situation need not automatically lead to misery.

I agree that this is a possibility, but a hypothetical one for most. One would require Buddha-level detachment for such a situation to be "fun".
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:21 / 09.01.06
I'm gonna disagree with everyone and advise you to go for it. It is so obviously a bad idea, it will clearly make you miserable and I think you need to embrace that. The fact that you are so conflicted tells me that you desperately *need* this destructive event in your life, over which you will one day shudder in shame, in order to give you some perspective. Pain and humiliation will make you grow as a person.

Goth.
 
  

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