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Dilemma dilemma OMFG dilemma!

 
  

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Tryphena Absent
09:44 / 12.01.06
Those spoons had better be polished with a clockwise motion.

Oh you jest but there is someone on this board (I shall not reveal their name) who is utterly obsessed with doing the washing up right and I have gauged that it could be a real relationship killer if you didn't actually like the obsessed person.
 
 
Loomis
09:53 / 12.01.06
FWP: make sure she promises to rinse the suds and dirty water off the dishes!
 
 
Ex
10:39 / 12.01.06
Lurid - I agree that the common gender-splits in romantic rituals probably complicates the situations of the lovelorn on the board. But I couldn't quite follow why it hinders the current problem.
Surely being the person who is usually expected to wade in and make a definitive request/statement of affection (the ritual Chap) is going to be a helpful if you're confused about someone's signals?

I know that when I've encountered flirtatious but otherwise uninterested chaps, I felt it was socially awkward for me to pin them down on the issue because I was the Lady. And thus if I engage any chap in a discussion about a potential relationship, I am Overly Forward, Probably Mad Clingy Obsessed Woman.

Not saying that it's actually easier for FWP to determine what's going on, if he wants to - still very emotionally risky, tricky stuff. But I don't see how the general tendency for blokes to be the 'askers' hinders him.

(And I know sometimes I pull out the 'I don't understand! Tell me about gender!' schtick to make a rhetorical point, but not in this case - just seeking clarification.)
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:59 / 12.01.06
I couldn't quite follow why it hinders the current problem.

To be clear, I'd say that it doesn't have any bearing on the "dilemma" as such. The advice that people have given is rather obvious. And it doesn't mean that the sexist stereotypes people have been referring to aren't sexist, since they clearly are. But I think it helps explain where some people are coming from and this can be helpful in changing attitudes, since not all sexism arises in the same way.

Surely being the person who is usually expected to wade in and make a definitive request/statement of affection (the ritual Chap) is going to be a helpful if you're confused about someone's signals?

Yes, you'd think so wouldn't you? And it *does* work like that for some. But, as you say, this risky emotional stuff can lead to a situation where the asker almost always waits to be invited, while at the same time desperately looks for signs of being invited despite previous rejections. Once in that mindset, the woman (in this het scenario) does become effectively in control, in the mind of the man. Conversely, I've known plenty of women who felt that they *were* in control, in the sense of being able to decide, by virtue of the fact that het men don't say "no". This is overly simplistic, of course, but there is something here. Having said that,

if I engage any chap in a discussion about a potential relationship, I am Overly Forward, Probably Mad Clingy Obsessed Woman.

this is absolutely true. I suspect you would have spoken to them as people, respectfully and openly and confidently and so forth...which is, of course, totally transgressive.
 
 
LykeX
18:04 / 02.02.06
So, like, what happened with this, anyway?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
05:39 / 05.02.06
Ten bucks sez he took her in.

They are actively engaged in DRAMA

ACTION

ADVENTURE

ROMANCE

rated PG-13. Coming this April.
 
 
Ganesh
08:17 / 05.02.06
Dear Reader, he murdered her. With a spoon. By the light of the silvery moon.
 
 
Mistoffelees
08:24 / 05.02.06
[the Sheriff has said he'll cut out Robin Hood's heart with a spoon]
Guy of Gisborne: Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?
Sheriff of Nottingham: Because it's DULL, you twit. It'll hurt more.
 
 
Ganesh
08:35 / 05.02.06
Especially when utilised with aggression.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
18:25 / 05.02.06
Ten bucks sez he took her in.

Still unresolved though I'm pretty well decided not to give in to the voice in my head telling me it'll be a great time and nothing could possibly go wrong. After freaking out about it, starting a wanky self-indulgent thread etc, I've only talked to her once or twice and cohabitation has not come up. I still don't know if she's even going to be in town this summer, so the entire thing might just blow over. I've gotten into a better headspace about it/her in the past month though, and I'm actually, like, dating someone for a change, which is probably a Good Thing. And yes, we aggressively spoon and hold hands in an eXtreme fashion but we also make out while watching zombie movies so I'm pretty sure I'm not misreading things this time around.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:36 / 05.02.06
we also make out while watching zombie movies

Ah, the old interplay of Eros and Thanatos. Stiffies and stiffs.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:40 / 05.02.06
You're dating someone but you and She still make out while watching zombie movies? Is everyone involved in this situation happy with this? If so, cool. Move on. Nothing to see here. Is the person you're dating going to be happy with you moving in with the object of your spoonage?

(You do realise, that entire post was a way to SOUND sensible, while leading up to the word "spoonage". I love the word "spoon". I don't care too much for the item of cutlery, or indeed the practice, but I love the word. And Mr Spoon, of course, because he RULED).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:43 / 05.02.06
Xoc- the zombies/making out thing is not quite as simple as the stiffies/stiffs thing. Some zombies aren't hott at all. It's alarming how complicated it is, once you get into it, really it is. You REALLY don't want to go there. Not until the Barb has calmed down a bit, anyway.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:45 / 05.02.06
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
18:50 / 05.02.06
You're dating someone but you and She still make out while watching zombie movies? Is everyone involved in this situation happy with this? If so, cool. Move on. Nothing to see here. Is the person you're dating going to be happy with you moving in with the object of your spoonage?

To clarify, the person I am dating and the person I am spooning are one and the same, and distinct from the former recipient of spoonage.

'Spoonage' is a fun word, isn't it?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:54 / 05.02.06
Freak out
in a spoonage daydream,
oh yeah...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:01 / 05.02.06
Oh, FWP, I'm very happy for you.

But you do realise you've now confused the shit out of me, don't you?

Or maybe I'm just pissed. That's always a possibility.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
19:05 / 05.02.06
It's okay, Stoatie, I'm confused too. Too much spooning and not enough sleep I guess...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:11 / 05.02.06
Oh, drink some beer.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:13 / 05.02.06
Although, seriously, see how the dating goes before letting her move in.

Though I guess you figured that part out already, didn't you?

If it DOESN'T go well... then the moving in should not be on the agenda AT ALL, even as something to be vaguely considered. (I've made that mistake before too!)

But yes, happy for you. And confused. And drunk.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:16 / 05.02.06
Oh, I've just reread the thread and now I'm confused again.

Don't be offended if I just avoid this thread until I sober up.

He



wouldn't be.
 
 
Ex
19:17 / 05.02.06
Sorry, Lurid, didn't reply to your reply - I see your point on much of it. Everything seems to have a reversible evil underside, like an ugly duvet cover.

I suspect you would have spoken to them as people, respectfully and openly and confidently and so forth...which is, of course, totally transgressive.

Sometimes. Sometimes I was very drunk. Once, having been turned down, I slurred 'Why NOT? I'm GREAT!' Which didn't improve anyone's evening.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
05:16 / 06.02.06
My last few responses are really very confusing aren't they?

To summarize, I:

1) haven't talked to The Girl in question (Girl No. 1) about cohabitation, am hoping the subject doesn't come up ever.
2) am currently dating somebody with whom I spoon etc. Am reasonably certain based on available evidence that I am not misinterpreting things this time around, ie we are, in fact, An Item.
3) am not considering letting this new person (Girl No. 2, current partner in spooning) move in with me, if it sounded like I was.
4) have gotten into a much better headspace re Girl 1, probably in part due to burgeoning relationship with Girl 2, but mostly because of sense slapped into me in this thread by Barbelith at large. So, thanks for that and sorry for dumping on everyone.

Good lord I need sleep. Sorry to confuse you so much, Stoats.
 
 
Spaniel
07:18 / 06.02.06
Well done, Fant.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:19 / 06.02.06
You realise, darlings, that Barbelith may have just improved someone's life.

Afternoon off, everyone!
 
 
Spaniel
07:36 / 06.02.06
Barbelith improves my life on a daily basis.
 
 
Dead Megatron
09:28 / 06.02.06
Ah, Zombie movies: the greatest turn-on evah!!!! I bet it was the original Dawn of the Dead, was it not?
 
  

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