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World Cup 2006

 
  

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Dead Megatron
19:07 / 13.06.06
Yeah, this guy who scored the goal, Cacá, is quite promising. But those Croatian are better than I expected, and Brasil's team needs to learn how to play like a team, instead of a bunch of individualistic football divas, or we'll suffer for it.

Let's see how the second half goes.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:58 / 13.06.06
Phew, that was hard. The team was nowhere near its maximum power, I'd say 50%, 60% tops. After wonderful initial 5 minutes, opur game lost quality visibly. Kaká's goal was brilliant, but that was it. In the second half, Croatia actually played better. If it was not for our goalkeeper Dida, we'd have lost the match.

astrojax, last chance to take that bet on Brasil vs Asutralia next Sunday...
 
 
astrojax69
22:03 / 13.06.06
kaka's strike was much like cahill's second. we got three, how many did brasil get? hey look, australia lead group f! (we shall call it quits then, all go home now...?? )

i like australia and brasil, and croatia and japan, to draw, australia beat croatia and go through!

what a world cup - brasil looked frail but very much like a side just warming up. and a side just warming up beats croatia is no poor side...

england were also stiff and not fluid, and holland have room to grow. italy, too, have a few cobwebs - gone be a fabulous month!

go socceroos!
 
 
elene
05:48 / 14.06.06
That was a very so-so day at the World Cup. I wonder if Brazil intend to open a gap in the defence by cracking someone's ribs in every game from now on? No, I know they're usually more talented than they seemed yesterday, but how (and why) they took out Nico Kovac sucks. In contrast I can't really blame France - as I do England, Holland and Portugal - for their weak performance against the Swiss. One can see how good they used to be, but … they just can't do it any more.

Today Germany play Poland! Although neither team's very good, it could still be a great game - yes, it could.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
07:47 / 14.06.06
I love the Beeb. Right up until Saturday's game we're a certainty to win if Rooney gets back. A decent first half and a poor second to Paraguay and we'll crash out at the group stage.

Tuesday evening Brazil look more than average in beating a not that good any more Croatia and the Beeb take it as more evidence that they're unbeatable wonderfootballmasters who will sweep all before them as they'll, Just Get Better. Evidence for which == 0.

I think they will get better of course, but not if they keep playing Ronaldo and I'm unsure about the balance in central midfield. If anything the comparisons with Englands woes over Owen, Gerrard and Lampard are uncanny.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:40 / 14.06.06
For god's sake Poland, PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:50 / 14.06.06
Poland = shafted by a cheap red card.

nice 91st minute goal Germany.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:52 / 14.06.06
Now that was an exciting game. Kudoz to Polland's goalkeeper for holding the line so long, but Germany deserved to win.
 
 
astrojax69
22:34 / 14.06.06
i thought the poles deserved a point - the hosts should have been duly punished for their profligacy, but had a lucky escape. none so lucky in the real phase after the group games. a lot of work for klinsman to do.


on a different tack, i wrote down scores for every group game before the first match; so far, apart from the sweden shock draw, i have picked every single result, and a few actual scores but not many. 16 from 17. i think i'll burn that now and go home...
 
 
elene
05:47 / 15.06.06
I watched the Germany - Poland game in a smallish circus tent with 5000 Germans, and it would have been exciting watching water boil in that atmosphere - it was hot, very hot, deafeningly loud and everyone jumped around every time something happened, meaning through most of the second half - it was stunning.

So ... poor Poland. They really held the line 'til the very end - but with incredible luck, their goal seemed hexed. Very hard decision with the red card, but not stupid like that penalty with red card against Ukraine earlier in the day. Germany deserved their win. Great game!

I've decided to give England, Holland and Portugal one more chance. I really ought to - morally that is – I ought to stomp their metatarsals, but I'm going to give them one more chance.
 
 
sTe
13:30 / 15.06.06
Am I too late to predict Ecuador as the dark horses of the tournement? (probably yes, seeing as they've just scored again as I was waiting for my soddin computer to warm up).

After topping the group on goal difference following a draw with the Germans in their last game, (was going to say after scoring one or two more against Costa Rica, but that's already emough goals now), I see them dispatching Sweden with ease in the first knockout game then giving Argentina a rite good game in the quarters. I believe they've already beaten them once in qualifying, alomg with the awesome Brazil, but I'm sure MegaT can put me right on that one, so could well provide an upset there...

Ecuador for 3rd place anyone? Followed by a frenzy of multi million pound/euro transfers for most of the team to top European clubs in the summer?

Of course if they meet the mighty England in the next round there's bound to be a premature ending to their fine world cup run (probably losing 3-2 after a couple of dodgy penalties for England)

you heard it here first
 
 
astrojax69
22:12 / 15.06.06
no, i am become an even bigger ecuador fan. ecuador v australia final, we win 4-1 of course!

but your predictions, sTe, for an ecuador burst might be well founded. they did, admittedly, beat argentina & brasil at altitude, but they've never had the squad train and acclimatise at this level for so long to prove what they're capable of. yes, ecuador definite v2006 turkey or sth korea-like team...

and australia...


i didn't see anything of the football last night, but saw england 'did enough' again. so did sweden. not a convincing group, eh? looking forward to the next few nights with groups c-f lighting it up. go socceroos, wallop brasil and be our group's ecudor. wouldn't THAT be something! (imagine going through from the first group brasil ever fails to... it will happen one day dm, it will happen! )

so now i'm 19 from 20.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:23 / 15.06.06
I see them dispatching Sweden with ease in the first knockout game then giving Argentina a rite good game in the quarters. I believe they've already beaten them once in qualifying, alomg with the awesome Brazil, but I'm sure MegaT can put me right on that one, so could well provide an upset there...

True. However, they won both these games at their home stadium, which is 2,800 feet above sea level, and imposes some quite specific conditions which are easier to train for if you are the home nation. Notwithstanding this, they have already surprised me somewhat, although Poland were shambolic.
 
 
sTe
22:50 / 15.06.06
I was surprised by how badly Poland have fared and certainly didn't expect them to be out already. I think in my pre World Cup predictions they were certainly qualifying with Germany. Ecuador however are one of the only South American teams to have most of their squad playing in their own league, so there's certainly an "unknown quantity" feel about them over in Europe. Hence the potential following the two victories nearer sea level oo-ar (not that I'm in any way affiliating with them pirates mind you).

Still, following Eng-er-land's good five minutes against Paraguay and ten or more against T&T (nearly sounds kinky), I still hope they may be building up to a whole 90 minutes when it counts...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:08 / 16.06.06
As a World Cup hater, I've watched more of this than I'd care to admit, just like the last two.

So, aren't England already starting to look a bit shaky? Neither of their victories have been all that convincing - and for once, they're in a pretty much indisputably &easy& group. Shouldn't they, at this point, as serious contenders, be running rings round the like of T&T?

Well they'll pull it together I suppose, create some magic football when the chips are down. They'll do enough to get into the quarters or semis, perhaps, as usual. But they don't seem properly motivated, as a team.

From friends who are fans, I gather this is the best chance of World Cup glory that England has had since '66, but it seems like an accident waiting to happen, so far.
 
 
Jub
08:04 / 16.06.06
I have similar misgivings AG. Saw the game against T&T and thought that it was quite exciting, but England really should have scored more against a team like that.

Doesn't bode well for the last 16. We'll see how we do against Sweden - I'm sure they'll be a few stern talks from sven before then.

And Crouch! dah, so many chances. Lanky streak of piss.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
10:03 / 16.06.06
But Crouch pulled that defender's dreads in such an elegant and sporting fashion to get his goal!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:04 / 16.06.06
Let's not patronise Trinidad and Tobago too much - as a team, they have some decent players. However, they were a bit of an object lesson in the dangers of pacelessnes in attack. Crouch is not a fast player. Owen and Rooney are both short of match fitness. That leaves Theo Walcott of Arsenal Reserves as the only fast, fit attacker we have, and it is already pretty clear that he is not going to appear for more than ten minutes in any game England haven't already won.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:26 / 16.06.06
If we have to bring in Rooney this early in the tournament, against a team like T&T (although I agree with Haus, they defended hard but reeeally needed some pace) then I bemoan (I BEMOAN!) our chances.

Rooney himself seemed very reticent (unsuprisingly considering he only needs a caterpillar to die on his shoe and it's back to hospital) and England were thus denied a focal point. Beckham's free-kicks were, on the whole, woeful and as for our passing, Christ, I've seen fans lobbing bottles of piss at each other with more accuracy.

We are going to get CLOBBERED if we don't start playing tougher football.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:56 / 16.06.06
Agreed with much of the above, really.

A recently-introduced Rooney and an obviously not match-fit Michael Owen are leaving us rather toothless. Beckham needs to get his consistency sorted. One of his only spot-on free kicks created one of the goals and we need more than that from him.

Agree with Haus re condescending: T&T played well, their smothering g*m*p*a* worked for alot of the match and good on them for making it work. On a bright side, we're unlikely to face another team with someone Peter Crouch-sized marking him.

I'm more worried about our inability to maintain possession/dictate pace of game. Too many sloppy giveways in midfield. We're going to get punished for that against a quality side.

As against that, England always play worse against lesser opposition and pick it up when they need to.

Gawd bless Aaron Lennon though, brought a real bit of life to the team, running at/passing defenders etc. That's what we need.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:58 / 16.06.06
Also: watching Rooney kick ball is terrifying
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
12:03 / 16.06.06
If England continue their matches in the same way, I won't complain. A goal is a goal is a goal...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:59 / 16.06.06
Watching Argentina vs. Serbia and Montenegro. 3-0 at half time

Balanced, in command, skillful, organised, confident and excellent finishing, disciplined. Full of ideas, playing to individual and team strengths. Wonderful movement. All guns blazing, basically.

On current form, they're the team I'd be seriously worried about playing.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:03 / 16.06.06
although argh - 'Wrighty' has just made a joke about Serbia and Montenegro being whipped by Argentina 'S&M, like'.

My EYES.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
13:55 / 16.06.06
I know Walcott is a gamble, but I'd love to see some more action from him. I think this has more to do with me being a Saints fan than anything else, though.

However, if we continue as we did yesterday then my wish may well come true.
 
 
The Falcon
14:08 / 16.06.06
Oh wow.

Argentina were just perfect today, blending Italian possession football with Brazillian ball control and attacking instinct; 's hard to pick a top performer although Sorin seemed to do a Roberto Carlos in terms of motion up and down the left, but also with actual defending; there was one point at about 70 mins or so, where he was wide on the left of the Serbian (& Montenegrin) box, the camera lost track, brief Serb attack and seconds later there he was fully back, closing them out. Also, smashing backheel in the move for the first.

But, really, they were all superb; Ayala's a colossus (in my made up nicknames world, based on Poland's missing striker Tomas 'the Goal-Hunter' Frankowski, I call him the 'Iron General',) Abbandonzieri dealt capably with every cross, Mascherano distributed pretty much faultlessly, Riquelme showed his usual superhuman vision, etc. Christ, they didn't even use Pablo Aimar, and he's hardly a slouch.

After the first cracker with Ivory Coast, they were among the teams that'd really excited me thus far; Spain and the Czechs, rather unsurprisingly given their respective margins, looked on too, but this was well... Perfect, yeah.
 
 
elene
14:10 / 16.06.06
Serbia Montenegro were dead in the water, Argentina hardly broke a sweat. Were there 26 passes leading up to Argentina's second goal, or only 24? Inconceivable - should never happen. Argentina are the best team in this tournament, but you can't judge them by today's game.

I really, really hope Côte d’Ivoire can beat the Netherlands this evening.
 
 
elene
16:52 / 16.06.06
::sigh::
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
19:02 / 16.06.06
I am sorry Elene, but I really have to disagree with you on some points. Especially saying that the dutch, english, and portugese are arrogant.
First of all, both Holland and England played their first matches at 3 pm, under extreme conditions. Compare this to the world cup in the US, and you will see a similar phenomenon. The pace of the game just has to be slow, and still the players are completely worn out by the end.
Secondly, many people still relate the dutch team to the 98 world cup and the 2000 european championship. Both the team and the supporters know that this team is completely different, and simply does not have the individual quality we had in 98, or that Brazil, Argentina, or Italy have.
England are fighting hard, and definitely not arrogant, I just don't understand why they don't play a more clever game. Their national team is far removed of the tactical stength of Arsenal or Chelsea.
I just watched the game here in Holland in a bar, and at the end everybody was just very relieved we got through, and nobody seriously considers Holland a contender for the world cup.
CdI fought like lions, and they had the best of the game in the second half. Unfortunate for them, their weakness was quite apparent with the second goal of Van Nistelrooy, which is that many of the players play at high level in Europe, but not all. It happened a number of times that not all the team could maintain their tactical strength, and with the second goal this resulted in that they failed to get him offside.
It just is a shame that in this group there are three or maybe four teams that should have gone through to the next round, especially if you compare to some of the other groups.
But to come back to todays match, the feeling here in holland is definitely not one of accomplishment, but it is very modest because we know that very easily it could have been the other way round. This time we may beat a few serious contestants for the WC, but we definitely do not have the strength to go all the way.
(funniest of all is that the Germans are saying they have gone over to playing 'dutch style' while all we can do is play 'german'! Now that is nice football irony isn't it!)
 
 
elene
19:38 / 16.06.06
Hey, hi, thanks, Sjaak at the Shoe Shop - I mean great that someone responded!

Yes, that was unfair and untrue - only the Portuguese are in truth arrogant. The English are ... like Shinji in EVA - just hopeless. I don't know what's wrong with them. At first I suspected they're just a crowd of bored, eminently undeserving millionaires who just can't get in touch with the child they once were. Now I think their just ... - oh forget it!

The Portuguese are arrogant. Example: Christiano Ronaldo was interviewed by a German in English and responded in Portuguese. I'm right and I know it.

Now, I (like everyone) dearly loved the Dutch team in '74. I was shattered when the Germans beat them, and this was the German team I'd loved in '72. Actually I never watched football again until 1990 - and then under protest. But that Dutch team was arrogant - beautiful, skilful and intelligent, but arrogant too and that's the main reason they lost. So, anyway, the last several Dutch teams I've watched have been the same, but with far less reason, and I think I carried that over to this one just to have a reason, other than their success (I know the first African team that can shoot goals will win the WC) to keep Côte d’Ivoire. Well, I can forget that now.

So, yes - sorry. Really.

Great that you responded, perhaps an England fan wants to explain me this [disconnect] they've got?
 
 
The Falcon
20:03 / 16.06.06
I'm no England fan, but the fact is they have a manager unable to either decide what his best assets are (and they are plentiful, certainly among the four or five best squads in the tournament) and how to utilise said. Thios is a man who insists on playing pragmatic, safety-first football holding two of the best goalscoring midfielders in the world in front of an, it must be said, equally very good defence, against Trinidad for fear, I dunno, that Densill Theobald (who cannot get a game for Falkirk) will craft a goalscoring chance.

England are very difficult to beat because of this, but far from inspiring.
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
20:08 / 16.06.06
thanks to you Elene, for being so courteous.

BTW, I don't know how much attention it received in international media, but one thing we have already won in is in the WC for bad taste. Namely the WW2 german helmet in Orange. Did anybody notice those?
All major fanclubs have strongly rejected it, but it is still there. Difficult to bring it up, because it is so very embarrasing, but what is your opinion? especially in Germany?
Thought about writing a letter to one of our major newspapers that it was disrespectful to the many dutch that fought with the Germans on the eastern front, but I am very sure the sarcasm would be wasted.
 
 
elene
06:35 / 17.06.06
Thanks Mr Falconer. Yes, it might well be down to Eriksson. Certainly his frantic need to have Rooney back for the Trinidad & Tobago game sends a very bad message. Not very inspiring.
 
 
elene
06:38 / 17.06.06
World War II references from the fans don't trouble me, Sjaak. Well, unless they are in very bad taste indeed. They would upset some Germans, obviously.

World War II refers to an illusory "clean" military contest between various great powers, England versus Germany for example, and at the same time to the greatest slaughter humans have ever indulged in, as yet. Wehrmacht references, like the helmets, are, I think, to that contest, have an obvious context here at the World Cup and are I think as harmless as Dad’s Army.

That each day last week I read a different newspaper article devoted to the historical context of the World Cup, WWII (not WC'74), or to the specific city where a game is to be played, e.g. Nürnberg, notably full of Mexicans and Iranians – especially Iranians - at the time, as it had been during the Nazi era, is beginning to tire. It's inevitable in the first couple of weeks of a tournament in Germany though, and maybe it’s just me. I read too much. It's no doubt of great interest to one who knows nothing of World War II.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:02 / 17.06.06
It's really pretty simple, elene - England rather than World War 2, that is. Up front, Eriksson selected as strikers Peter Crouch, Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney and Theo Walcott. Crouch is a hard-working striker with good touch and a freakish physionomy that can disconcert opposition players. However, he has almost no pace and is nowhere near as commanding in the air as the balls often played to him suggest. His recent scoring rate for England flatters him somewhat, although he is a far better player than the popular consensus seems to believe. Owen, who would theoretically have the pace and instincts to play off Rooney, is badly lacking in fitness after recovering from a metatarsal injury. Rooney, who has pace, strength, goalscoring instincts and the ability to link play with midfield, is even less far down the road to recovery than Owen, although he is physically a monster, which may help. Theo Walcott, the fourth choice, is an Arsenal reserve. He has incredible pace and is widely tipped as a star for the future, but is untried not only at this level but the next level down, having never played in the Premiership. Eriksson may play him against Sweden. If he does not, he will be unlikely to play more than ten minutes of football throughout the entire World Cup, as he may be thrown on as a desparation move.

Without Rooney, there is no real player in the first choice for strikers who drops back and links play - Crouch is the closest, but is too slow to track the ball effectively. Owen has developed this side of his game to compensate for his failing pace, but is still expected to be getting forward to score, and is not currently fit enough to keep up with play. Steven Gerrard has played as a recessed forward behind a single striker before, and many feel this would be worth trying. However, Gerrrard is currently in a quasi-holding role, unfamiliar to him in his games at Liverpool, as Frank Lampard forages forward. Regrettably, Lampard is not in great form at the moment, looking increasingly tired toward the end of the season with Chelsea. So, that's a problem also.

Notionally, England have one of the best midfiels in the tournament. However, Gerrard is out of position and Lampard not on great form. Beckham remains a key player for his crosses (and to a much lesser extent his free kicks), but is not fast enough or a good enough dribbler to be a winger, and not really a good enough tackler to be an entirely confindence-inspiring wing-back or full-back - you can do that with a winger ahead of him with Trinidad and Tobago, but I wouldn't try it with Brazil. Joe Cole is much improved on the left, but is naturally inclined to move infield, and so relies on Ashley Cole to overlap, which he is not doing as effectively as one might hope.

With neither Gerrard nor Lampard both suited to and used to a holding role, the central defenders are, I think, a little nervy - Carragher will be reliable at right-back or masterful at centre-back, but will not provide many attacking options. Ferdinand is an able distributor who is prone to occasional loss of focus. Terry and Robinson are at least bloody good, despite Terry's uncanny facial resemblance to a parallel universe Michael Barrymore who took up kickboxing rather than gameshow hosting.

SO, the problems are a combination of tactics and personnel, I think. Personally, I might have pondered a 5-3-2, with Lampard and Gerrard both making forward runs and Carrick or Hargreaves in a purely defensive, Deiter Elts role in front of a defence of three of Ferdinand, Terry, Campbell and Carragher. The wing players would be potentially problematic - probably Ashley Cole and Beckham, switching to Downing and Lennon - two orthodox wingers of not-quite-national calibre - during the desperate 15-minute hunt for an equaliser towards the end - with, depending on fitness, Rooney or Joe Cole paired with Owen or Crouch as a recessed striker. Then again, that is patently bollocks and would never work. So, possibly an orthodox holding midfielder in a 4-4-2 formation, with Gerrard _or_ Lampard ahead of them, Cole and Beckham being overlapped in left and right midfield. Or Carrick/Hargreaves and Lampard in central midfield with Gerrard playing behind a striker, wen Rooney's metatarsal goes ping again...
 
  

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