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Benny the Ball
04:34 / 10.12.05
Motson bores once more, talking again and again like some mad old uncle who thinks that every one else is stupid and doesn't get the way that the draw is working. Anyway, England's group is of interest for me, Sweden once more, Trinidad could be a fun game, and also could see the Premiership 'stars' once more get cocky, a la Northern Ireland. Paraguay should be three points, shouldn't it? Group of death? Well, Ghana's group is the least easy to call.

Okay, enough waffle, what do people make of the draw? What games excite? What groups look easy/difficult? General group discussions from now till the 9th of June.
 
 
astrojax69
22:38 / 10.12.05
o, benny. all i can say is 'faaaaaaark' autsralia got probably the worst possible (or best possible, depending on p.o.v) draw, with world no. 1 brasil, world 15 japan [and or new foes that from now we play for wc qual via asia] and no. 20 croatia [with a fair contingent of australian - and croatian! - squads with croat/australian backgrounds. three in croat side!]

but on the bright side, we get to play brasil in munchen, so what a place to play football! imagine the dreams of these guys when they were eight, twelve, sixteen - now they're here. should be a great tournament. personally, i think group e might prove the stickiest for the four combatants: italy ghana usa czechs... wouldn't wanna be those coaches for the americans among us i'd be suggesting you need to beat ghana, and that is unlikely to be a straighforward task. then draw with italy, or the czechs, again neither easy tasks, and hope it is against the loser of their respective clash, and that ghana lose to - or draw with, better - everyone else, too...

the hosts should get by their assignment, with costa rica poland ecuador. brasil and australia from our group!! another group of death for the poor cote d'oire and the serbs, against the dutch and the argentinians. portugal should probably past go and collect 200 quid with either iran or mexico. that will be a clash to savour! the angolans will struggle, i suspect, but the african contingent will be a force in south africa, i suspect. again, old foes the french and swiss should get through their group ahead of togo and korea. without the pele of coaches, guus hiddink who is leading australia to hoist the cup for the first time , the koreans will find it hard to match their feats of 2002 and i suspect they might suffer the greek tragedy of faltering badly next time round - though at least they're here! and spain will prob'ly be favoured to go through, with the saudis battling shevchenko's ukraines ahead of tunisia, but that is not so sure...

enga-lund's chances? should be a regulation task to get one of two places to progress to the real football, but i thought argentina might be a sure thing last time round and, well... but if we can get past urugauy to get there, england should get by paraguay. and if they don't get past trinidad - sorry dwight, i know you're captain of my domestic team here. so sorry... - they probably don't deserve to progress... so sweden should on paper join them in the next phase.

what fun!
 
 
The Falcon
18:08 / 14.03.06
Following prairiecac's insistence that there oughtta be a World Cup thread (and lo...!) I'm going to bump with my fearless predictions:

Group A (Germany, Costa Rica, Poland, Ecuador) - I'm already thinking I'm going to be extraordinarily Eurocentric here, and the hosts will win this group at a canter, but second'll be dependent on the opening match for Poland/Ecuador. I have a feeling it'll go the way of Germany's near-neighbours.

Group B (England, Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago, Sweden) - should be fairly cut 'n' dried. England and Sweden - however, in what order? England never beat Sweden, but will probably score more against the Caribbean first-timers; so if it's a draw between them England for top.

Group C (Argentina, Serbia, Cote d'Ivoire, Holland) - one've two groups of death; this one's going to cut hard, and unfortunately as much as I'd like it to be otherwise, as I always support African teams and the Ivorians have an amazing talent in Emmanuel Eboue (best RB in the world as soon as Cafu retires, I reckon,) I think two of the tournament favourites (Holland, Argentina, in that order) will see their experience push them on.

Group D (Mexico, Iran, Angola, Portugal) - Portugal to win, continuing the Europe theme. Angola were pretty much dreadful in the African Cup of Nations, and have a squad deeply inexperienced, but they'd still be my best bet to take points of their former colonial rulers (a la Senegal/France.) Iran have some thoroughly decent players and are probably the best Asian federation involved, but I think Mexico will probably trump them to second.

Group E (Italy, Ghana, USA, Czech Rep.) - Group o' Death II. Euroes again, I feel; experience and acclimatisation making the difference. Italy are always a good outside bet for the title, but do tend to start slowly; they could be caught on the hop, to the extent of drawing, by both Ghana and the US so possibly coming second. The Czechs are still a very strong team, and were the best at Euro 2004, so I anticipate what will probably be Pavel Neded's final finals to go with a bang.

Group F (Brazil, Croatia, Australia, Japan) - Brazil to cruise, Croatia to scrape through with around four points. Sorry, astro. Could be wrong, of course - Guus Hiddink is probably one of the three best managers in the world or so, so he could defy the odds.

Group G (France, Switzerland, Togo, S. Korea) - France will win the group, but second could be interesting. The Swiss were surprisingly impressive in qualifying, Togo terrible in the A.C. of N. and Korea amazing last W.C. So, scratch Togo, and Korea are without the inspirational Hiddink and haven't the prep they did in '02. Switzerland second.

Group H (Spain, Ukraine, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia) - Can't see past Spain to walk this, but given there's always one African team in the last 16 I do feel the Tunisians could scrape past the Ukraine, Sheva and all. They also have much greater experience in international tournaments, so yeah.

That sets a last 16/Q-Fs of:

Germany v. England \
Holland v. Mexico / Germany v. Holland
Czech Rep. v. Croatia \ Czech v. France
France v. Tunisia /
Sweden v. Poland \
Portugal v. Argentina / Sweden v. Argentina
Brazil v. Italy \ Italy v. Spain
Spain v. Switzerland /

===>

Semi's
France v. Holland
Argentina v. Italy

Final
Holland v. Italy with, eeeeh, maybe the former to win actually.

So, follow just how wrong I get that over the Summer.
 
 
astrojax69
21:00 / 14.03.06
i don't disagree with you duncan; i just hope beyond hope you and i are wrong...

now before dissecting the groups, on form i would think the overall likely winner will come from [in order of likelihood]: brasil, argentina, holland, italy, england, mexico, germany & portugal. but several of these teams will not be in the final eight...

yeah duncan, i also think brasil & croatia will get out of our group - our only hope is winning game 1 v japan. if, and a really really big if this one, if we get thru, then we are the sort of team like s. korea or cameroon, or someone who might spring a surprise and be a bit of ahit packet at the cup. but that's not likely.

as for your forecast - brave!

in the host's group, they should clip out with either the poles or the little concacaf team. can't see ecuador getting anywhere, much as i enjoyed my stay for a month in quito on the eve of the last cup. but prob'ly poland, yeah. tick.

in group b, don't dismiss the south americans so easily. i think they'll give sweden a working over and go thru with eng-a-lund. could upset and top the pot! but i'll stick 'em second..

c - argentina and holland will canter thru, their tie is third and will decide it - i tip a draw and argentina top the group...

d - portugal to finally show some form when it counts, in a pretty easy assignment for them, tho mexico will possibly get thru ahead? but i tip portugal, then mexico. so africa not doing too well yet.

e - group of death. czechs and italians, in that order!

f - well, of course brasil should coast thru any group they're drawn in. but i suspect this world cup will have its share of surprises. brasil's exit at the group stage, however, is not among them! but australia's progress might be and of course this is my tip and i'm allowed an element of fantasy. we'll beat japan and scrape thru on goals over croatia.

g - the french might get back some sort of form, but they'll have to show some gallic fight. their neighbours will surprise, so france ahead of the swiss... korea is all talk now, i hope! and poor togo will make up numbers.

h - tough to call this one. i don't rate the saudis, though they could be a tough nut to crack for the lesser premium nations like spain and the ukraine. i foresee another iberian stumble and see spain out here, ukraine above tunisia.

so much concurrence, duncan!

but given my placings, let's go on and see who holds up the cup...

germany beats paraguay
mexico beats argentina!!
england beats poland
holland beats portugal
czech, sadly, beats australia
tunisia beats france!
brasil beats italy - why did they have to meet here?
ukraine beats swiss...

then the quarter finals

mexico upsets the hosts
england knocks out holland in a classic
czech stride on at tunisia's expense - see africa again in four years
& brasil accounts for ukraine

the semis then are a surprise, as ever:

czech stops mexico's march towards glory
& england overcome their nemesis in brasil, poor brasil.

england 3-2 in the final, in extra time.


...all right, we can both be entirely wrong in a different way!!

bring it on, i say....
 
 
praricac
17:47 / 15.03.06
agreed on most counts, however i think hiddink could possibly guide the aussies through that group. japan will struggle so far from home and croatia are pretty dire these days.

other potential shocks: USA, Iran and Tunisia for the second round?

england's chances obviously hinge on peter crouch hitting form at the right time...
just kidding, of course its all about the boy wonder.

i honestly think rooney could win it for us, remember how incredible he was at the euros till he got injured?
 
 
The Falcon
18:42 / 15.03.06
Crouch is an extremely useful distraction to lump on toward the end of a game - he terrifies defenders; I think it was down to him that Owen was able to steal that friendly win for youse v. Argentina.

Could defo see Iran going through, but really can't see the US progressing ahead of either Italy or Czechi.
 
 
astrojax69
20:09 / 15.03.06
i love your optimism for the socceroos, praricac! you're my kind of 'lither!

and has anyone else noted that the draw is set for a right snorter should either englan' or the hosts slip slightly in the group; they would meet if one finishes top, the other second in their pods! and i already had poor italy face brasil in my estimation, but i hope that ain't so! (still, sooner italy face brasil, not us!!)
 
 
astrojax69
20:26 / 03.05.06
quick bump didn't know whether to cross-post from the football [x3] thread to this, or whether we might start a new world cup thread? or mebbe get this one re-named?

any thoughts?


anyway, here is the cross-post:

rooney's injury.

yes, some reports have him needing miracles, others have his club telling the world it will all be ok, really. nothing to see here, move along... he seems to have several broken bones; perhaps he will need a miracle. o, it will be such a shame not to have him at the world cup. i'm such a fan, i'd love to see his exuberance light up the world cup against ronaldhino's sheer radiant beauty.

but there will be others. who?


i'll start with deco for portugal. with scolari at their helm and expectations soooo high for a portuguese team to finally get it together, they have surely built a team around him and he can be so dominant, so precise, so deadly. he may have a telling tournament. i remember a few years back when he took portuguese citizenship having come from brasil, i was working at our immigration dept and i imagined the possible conversation in a similar office in lisboa - 'boss, got an application here we have to approve!' 'why do we have to approve it?' 'cause this guy will win us the world cup.' 'ok, it's approved...' and the thud of a stamp.

maybe he might?
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:57 / 03.05.06
Scolari sure gonna give some thrust to the Portuguese team, I'm just not sure they already got over loosing the European cup to Greece. ans, in football, the state of mind is (almost) everything.

But, you know, my money is still in Brazil's team. Heck, we could put two teams to play in the WC, and our B-team would still get at least to the semi-finals...
 
 
The Falcon
22:39 / 03.05.06
If you look at my predictions, Megs, I've Brazil going out to a shock last 16 defeat by Italy; way it goes, I figure they'll have to play either them or the Czech Rep. at that stage, and as amazing as the team were in the Confederations Cup... that's two extremely difficult opponents, on home-ish turf. 1990 all over again for yous, I rekkin, and European winners this year.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:09 / 04.05.06
When does this start?
 
 
The Falcon
14:22 / 04.05.06
9/6/06.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:51 / 04.05.06
"1990 all over again for yous, I rekkin, and European winners this year."

In 1990, we lost to Argentina (damn you Maradona - damn you Cannigia). We lost to Italy in 1982 (damn you Rossi - but, hey, thanks Bagio for 1994's revenge).
 
 
astrojax69
23:02 / 04.05.06
hey falcon, that world cup predictor looks like fun... will tell you who australia beat in the final when i get a mo to have a bash...

 
 
astrojax69
07:43 / 05.05.06
...well fuck, how about that? australia just won the world cup!

beat portugal in the final, while argentina pipped out brasil in the third place game...


[comes back when he's done group f properly and then gone on without parochial bias interfering...]

actually, italy apparently clinch it from a deflated brasil, while the hosts pip the plucky dutch for third. don't need to watch now. damn, should i put a spoiler on this?? gee i'm excited! thanks falc! how'd yours go?

[holland beat england in the quarter, btw, who got through the first round over costa rica... some other interesting results in the astro wc 06: argentina over mexico and holland over portugal in the first round promise a great deal of excitement, with the hosts quarterfinal win over argentina a cracker! man, this is gone be great...]
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:37 / 05.05.06
This will be the first World Cup I have actually cared about, getting into soc..football just this year with my aquisition of digital cable.

I am pretty stoked, and am stocking up on Belgian beer for the opening game.

So yeah, just wanted to pop in from the States to say hi.
 
 
astrojax69
05:02 / 09.05.06
just heard christian vieri will likely miss the wolrd cup with an injury. rekkun this does italy's chances no good - thought he might be prominent.

and england look likely to - or have? - picked young walcott. 17, no caps and no football for months. is sven totally insane?
 
 
astrojax69
06:02 / 10.05.06
most squads have been announced now - a couple surprises in the socceroos with two uncapped players inluding the australian peter crouch, apparently.

what news in your world cup squad selections, barbelith?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:02 / 10.05.06
Lennon, Walcott and Downing are not insane choices, although Walcott is a bit surprising. _Not_ selecting Defoe or Bent is more of a surprise, although it's pretty obvious that whatever Bent is selling Sven isn't buying, and I woould probably have bumnged S W-P in just on the off-chance. Without Rooney and a fit Owen with a few matches, it's hard to work out where the goals will come from - a lot of responsibility on Gerrard in particular. I don't know if I can see us getting past the quarter-finals.
 
 
Bed Head
08:59 / 10.05.06
Yeah. Hrmph. I think I basically agree, only in a more arrrgggh!-sort of way. I’ve already ranted about this, elsewhere, and reading that back I know I sound insane myself there, but I still hold to the same basic crazyhead suspicion that the amaaaazing! shock! of including Walcott in the squad is all about Michael Owen, and about protecting Owen’s first choice status at a moment when he’s looking a bit iffy and crocked, really.

Owen's still not actually fit enough to play a single Premiership match, let alone a full tournament at the top of his game*, so Sven's solution? To pick Walcott as his *only* backup for Owen. Which’ll mean that Owen probably plays, whether he’s fully tip-top superfit or not. And leaving aside all the giddy tabloid headlines about Walcott and the 17-year old Pele comparisons (and I mean, really), I just don’t believe there’s the remotest chance that Walcott’s going to get a match in the tournament itself, and certainly not as a starter. I suppose it’s possible that Sven’ll give him 10 mins as a late sub, if we’re seeming On The Way Out, and if all other options, including Owen Hargreaves, have already been tried, but I’d still doubt it.

Aaaand I originally ranted away in the Ugh! Fuck! thread in Convo because I thought I was only being irrational and grumpy that Sven hadn’t picked my wuvvly ickle Jermain, but dammit, in what way is this encouraging, really? Anyone seriously believe this selection is to do with expanding his available striking options, rather than an attempt at limiting them? Does anyone reckon Walcott’s going to actually get a game? Sven kept the 'very exciting' Joe Cole sitting on the bench for two entire tournaments. I just don’t believe he’ll ever rate exciting potential, and youthful verve n’ stuff, over experience.



(* I hope I’m proved wrong about that, of course. Really I do. And I think the ‘we lost in 2002 because Beckham wasn’t fit’ thing has been waaayyyy overstated recently, when there were so many other underperforming players in Japan. But I just don’t trust Sven not to pick Owen if he’s not quite fit, and if Owen’s not quite fit, or possibly going to be not quite fit, he needs an alternative striker for his starting line-up, not an exciting wildcard substitution prospect-type thing.)
 
 
The Falcon
14:07 / 10.05.06
I can't really agree Defoe's been ace of recent, anyway, given his third choice at Spurs status, think Bent'd've been a better pick - but I do have to wonder if Svennis is intending doing an Arsenal and going for a 4-5-1 at some point, especially if Owen turns out crocked as well as Rooney. That leaves just Walcott and Crouch, which would be a, well... surreal forward pairing. However, in a 4-5-1, you could chuck in Downing, who's the first genuinely left-sided midfielder of int'nl calibre (%not including the cruelly slept on Alan Thompson c.2003ish%) England've had for years and push Gerrard up behind his gargantuan clubmate, who certainly scared the shit out of Argentina in that friendly in Geneva.

Walcott should get a run in the pre-tourney friendlies, however, and he is going, I read, on the basis Wenger informed Eriksson that he was better than his other options - basically, at this point, I believe anything Wenger says about the game. So we'll see.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:40 / 10.05.06
I like this in a feeling "IT'S SO CRAZY IT MIGHT... JUST... WORK!!!!" way.

I am optimistic that if we do well, it can be the kind of tale made for TV movies were - and are - made for.

Either that or the sort of complete disaster that made for TV movies were... well, you know.
 
 
Bed Head
15:00 / 10.05.06
I dunno, I still can’t see Walcott playing. It’s not just his lack of first-team action - he hasn’t even met the rest of the team, Sven’s barely spoken to him - it’s not as though Walcott has a specific, natural position wrt everyone else in the team, or that everyone else in the team is familiar with him/knows where or whereabouts he’s going to be at any given moment. You’re saying that this understanding is to be built up in ... how many pre-tournament friendlies?

And dammitt, even if he does play, it’s not fair to lump all this on him - he’s only 17! He hasn’t been playing regularly with any first team! *If* he’s given the responsibility of coming on and saving England from Certain Defeat at the last moment, or even the responsibility of actually leading the attack from the start, and he then fluffs any number of chances - like wot Sean Wright-Phillips did on his first England start - then the responsibility for losing us the World Cup might sorta fall on him as well, and hang around him for years. It will in tabloidland, anyway. And that’s not fucking fair. That’s not a nice thing to do to an exciting youthful prospect. Great for him if he has a good tournament, but absolutley horrible if he has a stinker. So, I’m having difficulty getting really enthused about this based on Wenger’s word and fucking Sven.

And Defoe scored a perfectly ace goal at the weekend. And with a dodgy tum, no less. If it was Owen who scored that goal, it’d be all ‘he’s baaaaccckk!’ joyful celebrations. His form isn’t as bad as is made out by his detractors, and even when he doesn’t score, he’s always a threat, he always looks only about 10 seconds away from a wondergoal, which is a vibe that Erikkson’s long-term, form-no-object favourite strikers - Heskey, Crouch - don’t really have about them.

Also, Crouch’s ‘he scares defences’ hype seems to be mostly based on late impact in a couple of friendlies. And late impact in friendlies just doesn’t count for much unless you’re hyping someone up - no-one fights to the last in friendlies, first-choice defenders have all been subbed/are taking things easy. He’s not that scary for defences. Also, his touch isn’t that good for a big man. I can see his qualities. But still. As with Owen, again with Crouch: where's the viable, match-ready plan B, Sven? Why isn't there one?
 
 
Bed Head
15:03 / 10.05.06
(Also, I wuv Jermain Defoe. I wuv his little sulky face, and his ‘yes I am rather special, yes you may congratulate me’ grin when he scores. He is ace.)
 
 
The Falcon
17:49 / 10.05.06
Worth bearing in mind that, as a bitter provincial, I have no investment in English success; quite the contrary, in fact. I do agree that there is apparently no plan B, or in fact that plan B would seem to be 'scrape through, pray Rooney gets fit'. Frankly, given the options, it would have seemed a bit more sensible to dump - say - Bridge or Lennon for another striker; much of what you have to say about Defoe, bedders, could equally have been said of Darius Vassell (esp. in an England shirt,) too, apart from the sulky face, Darius having a sunnier demeanour.

However! Readers may be unaware that there is still a window for squad alteration, right up until the day before the first game, so if, as seems most likely, Rooney doesn't make it there probably will be a late inclusion of Defoe.
 
 
Bed Head
18:48 / 10.05.06
much of what you have to say about Defoe, bedders, could equally have been said of Darius Vassell (esp. in an England shirt,) too

Dude, no way! In my very humble layman-type opinion, and I know I’m looking fixated 'n stuff, and I’ll let this one go in a sec, but I’d say Vassell is probably more equivalent to Bent - oodles of pace aaaand, er, that’s about it. But even ‘though I wouldn’t pick him myself, I think Sven’s treatment of Darren Bent shows just what a snidey git he really is, it’s a pretty damn disgraceful way to put someone down, and Bent’s absolutely right to be upset about it. Andy Johnson on standby? Yeah, right. What a horrible, snarky little man Sven is.

But anyway, Defoe, apart from being faster than Michael Owen, is also considerably more nimble than Owen/Bent/Vassell. He doesn’t rely on outsprinting defenders into space, he’s more twisty-turny than that. And he’s got a fiercer shot than Owen, one that’s actually good for scoring from outside the box for a change, and how useful would it be to have a striker who can do that, eh? Other international teams have one. So I can well imagine that Michael Owen wouldn’t want Defoe anywhere near the starting line-up, cause I still think he’s got the *potential* to put the skids under Owen’s England career for good.

Although we’ve hardly seen that potential being explored, because instead Defoe’s been omitted, he’s been sidelined, he’s been dropped back to the U21s, he’s been brought on in the last five minutes of rubbish friendlies when all the first choice midfield has already been subbed and there’s no decent service or support, Sven’s basically done everything possible to undermine his viability as a potential rival for Owen's place. And y’know, treating a Hot Striking Prospect like this, it’s as good as sabotage, and ultimately ends us up with a squad where all alternatives have been stripped out so that Owen can get to play in the World Cup whether he’s fully healed or not, in-form or not, match-fit or not. Which seems, I dunno, wrong.

Aaaanyway, that’s where I am re: the prospect of Sven calling up Jermain Defoe. It’ll only happen if Owen’s legs fall off. And if FIFA won’t then allow him to play in a wheelchair. And even then Sven would try to pretend that Owen Hargreaves could play in the Michael Owen role. Git, git, GIT.


(Aaand I’m done. Promise I’ll shut up about Defoe now, apologies for my droning on and on and on. I still think it’s rotten stuff, tho. I was planning on putting a bet on him for the golden boot at some outrageous odds, and then having a good old screech at the telly. Who am I going to bet on/screech at now?)
 
 
astrojax69
22:27 / 10.05.06
bent, defoe, vassell - all this talk about back up strike power for england and andy johnson doesn't get a mention?

dukes and schwatter both got thru their cup final unscathed, if on the wrong end of a result! so good enough news for socceroos - i never thought boro would really do it, but the gulf was apparent. i fear this will be the socceroos' fate in germany - but one hopes...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:52 / 13.05.06
God. Just watched the FA cup final, which has underlined Gerrards aceness when played in a position that works for him, ie close up behind the strikers with attacking potential.

Why doesn't Sven realise this. Particuularly in the light of Rooney being out-bar-a-miracle and Owen being wobbly, in Gerrard he has a player who if used right/allowed to do this thing, can score goals against quality sides, and lots of them.

I'm assuming that post this World Cup, barring an unlikely awful performance, Gerrard will be captain. Giving him an actual chance to play might be kinda nice for him.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:58 / 13.05.06
(should point out that I'm a Leeds fan so no pro-Liverpool bias but really, I want to marry Gerrard and have his babies. What a player.)
 
 
astrojax69
07:48 / 14.05.06
and i'm sure he'd reciprocate, ggm! but more importantly, our harry is hurt again.

oh, they say he'll be ok, just miss the friendly in a fortnight in australia against greece... they say.

but will he really be ok for the world cup? o, lament...


btw: what sort of babies would you have ggm, you and steve? what if they got your sporting talent and his wit and insight?
 
 
astrojax69
06:12 / 19.05.06
apparently a german coach of togo, pfister, has debunked any hopes of the hosts winning - going so far as to say a last eight finish would be a bonus on expectations.


with only a few weeks to go - ooh, i'm even more excited - what do lithers think of the hosts' chances?

you'd have to fancy it will be a side goes a long way is going to beat them, wouldn't you? if they get through the group they'll likely have england [that'd be an early classic!] or paraguay, sweden [or most unlikely, trinidad]. then they'd get the likes of argentina, mexico, holland, portugal, ivory coast mebbe... what d'ya rekkun, a winner among these?
 
 
The Falcon
10:05 / 19.05.06
Looking at the Dutch squad, I think my prediction of a victory for them, as nice as it'd be given they were the best team in both '78 and '98, was perhaps a bit hasty. Now, with the controversy in Italian football, I rather fancy their national team to do the job against either Germany or France in the final. Feel they're due a big win soon.
 
 
praricac
11:31 / 19.05.06
agreed on the dutch ... holy lacklustre lineup batman!

as for italy, they've certainly got strength in depth in their squad and should go far, but i question whether there would be enough genuine world class in their starting eleven to beat the likes of brazil, argentina or france in a one-off game.

true there is the synchronicity with '82: didn't Paulo Rossi get a lenghty ban and only come back for the knockout stages or summat? (i was very young at the time and cannot recall).
there was certainly some kind of italian match-fixing scandal that year as well though wasn't there?

however, as an england fan with vast experience of clinging to just that kind of trivia as a sign that this is going to be our year, i have my doubts about whether this (or the claim that they're "due a big win") will have any real effect on their chances.
 
 
The Falcon
11:39 / 19.05.06
Well, no, obviously nothing I say will have any effect except in a woah! chaos theory sense, maybe. It's just a slight revision of my fairly extensive predictions above, and both Totti (albeit in the Michael Owen, out all season, possibly recovering, sense there) and Del Piero are in the squad, wrt world-class (attacking, creative) players.
 
 
praricac
17:17 / 19.05.06
i'll give you derek piero, but totti has yet to convince me.

i'm with ron atkinson on this (and only this) issue, i seem to recall hearing a candid commentary box recording of him saying something along the lines of:
"i don't rate that totti, he's a little twat. are there any more sandwiches?"
 
  

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