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ONLY NICE THINGS
10:20 / 02.02.06
I like "sea change" - as in "this is a sea-change for our organisation". What, it's going to take a very, very long time and turn your bones into coral? There was also a vogue for management wankspeak that unconsciously mimicked Far Eastern Communism - the Great Leap Forward for Bunnytech, Year Zero at Wankternational Finance, that sort of thing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:29 / 02.02.06
Light year as a measurement of time is a fave. Likewise parsec as measurment of time, though the latter (for which I blame Han Solo) is somewhat rarer.
 
 
Char Aina
10:35 / 02.02.06
i always thought a sea change was a change of sea underneath your ship, bringing different conditions, and therefore new perils and opportunities.

you can see the sea change at cape town, you know. it changes colour on the horizon where the seas meet, as though water was immiscible with water.

no, that isnt really relevant.
i just like it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:40 / 02.02.06
i always thought a sea change was a change of sea underneath your ship, bringing different conditions, and therefore new perils and opportunities.

Nah, it's Shakespeare:

Full fathom five your father lies,
Of his bones are coral made.
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
 
 
Char Aina
11:05 / 02.02.06
that's pure mental.
tht changes my understanding of a few things, not least of which is sea change, by ABC.

( an episode of transformers too)
 
 
Ariadne
11:54 / 02.02.06
pure mental indeed - I didn't know that either.
 
 
■
12:35 / 02.02.06
It was a theme very popular with that old nazi TS Eliot, too. All sorts of death and rebirth connotations, linking back to sacrifice rituals and (unsurprisingly) Purgatory. So, if a consultant says your company is to undergo a sea change it's got to get pretty fucked up before it'll get better. Which, given you're using consultants, it already will be. What they mean is they want to tie you all up and throw you in the nearest canal.
 
 
Jub
13:47 / 02.02.06
Could someone point me in the direction of a reputable source to say you can (or can't!) start a sentence with the word "because"?
 
 
Char Aina
13:56 / 02.02.06
i can tell you where my old english teacher is buried, if that helps.
he said it was okay in some circumstances, but that it should be avoided in Proper things like letters to the bank in case the monkey reading it was unaware of same and treated you as a fool because of it.

he may have had issues.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:16 / 02.02.06
"You shouldn't start a sentence with 'because'" occupies the same monitive space as "you shouldn't execute commands in the shell" - it's a warning predicated on the damage you can do by getting it wrong. A sentence beginning "because" is fine, as long as it is a sentence - "Because you slept with Marianne, I have to punch you." The danger is that using it may tempt one to use it with sentence fragments. "I did it. Because of honour."
 
 
Char Aina
14:19 / 02.02.06
oh, i should say how, hey?
'because' begins a clause that requires another clause to make sense. this kind of clause is called subordinate, i believe.
so yeah, its fine, but only as long as you dont leave it hanging.

bad!
because he hadnt slept in weeks.
good.
because he hadnt slept in weeks, he was unsure how best to explain clauses more concisely.
 
 
Jub
15:50 / 02.02.06
so, is there a source for any of this? All I can find is people who think they know the answers prattling on, on their websites. I'm sure you're both right, but need something to back it up - (it's for an argument y'see).
 
 
Char Aina
16:10 / 02.02.06
i cant find anyone who says its wrong, dude.
who says its wrong, besides idiots?
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
16:10 / 02.02.06
Mordant Carnival - Light year as a measurement of time is a fave. Likewise parsec as measurment of time, though the latter (for which I blame Han Solo) is somewhat rarer.

Sorry to get all... something or other, but Parsec is a measurement of distance not time.

cube - It was a theme very popular with that old nazi TS Eliot, too.

My question. Was TS Eliot a nazi? If it's common knowledge I must of missed it.
 
 
Char Aina
16:13 / 02.02.06
jub;
here's a link, if that helps.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:13 / 02.02.06
Big fan of Ezra Pound, but no, I don't think so.

Sorry to get all... something or other, but Parsec is a measurement of distance not time.

I think the word you're looking for is "inattentive" - that was an example of words being commonly used with the wrong meaning.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
16:18 / 02.02.06
I always tried way, way too hard to make that han solo quote plausible. Like some kind of hyperspace physics thing...time being bent in the direction of space, you know...maybe...something like a more efficient hyperspace engine makes the distance shorter? ...Yeah, I never really got it to work.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
16:24 / 02.02.06
Quite right Haus. Sorry yes, misread.
Note to self must pay attention. (Han Solo could of been refering to distance when the Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs,")
 
 
■
16:26 / 02.02.06
No, not a nazi, but he did have some seriously antisemitic bits in his poetry. Which is otherwise damn fine poetry.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:26 / 02.02.06
Perhaps not a Nazi per se, but a rabid anti-Semite, to judge from his notorious long essay After Strange Gods:

The population should be homogeneous; where two or more cultures exist in the same place they are likely either to be fiercely self-conscious or both to become adulterate. What is still more important is unity of religious background; and reasons of race and religion combine to make any large number of free-thinking Jews undesirable.

And he was an avowed conservative in his politics.

See, today it's hard to understand the intellectual appeal that fascism had in the 1920s and early 30s. For the sensitive, feeling man, who felt himself to be above the common herd in an increasingly mechanized society, fascism gave the reassurance that yes, he was different, he was special, he did have a special destiny.

And so a generation of poets flirted with the jackboot. Some—Eliot, Yeats, D.H. Lawrence—came through with their reputations intact (although Lawrence still gets a lot of critical stick for the inherent racism of his "blood-consciousness" routine). Some, like Ezra Pound and Wyndham Lewis, had their careers and lives ruined.

That said: Eliot withdrew After Strange Gods following the rise of Hitler, when it became apparent that fascism-as-reality was quite a different kettle of fish than fascism-as-abstract-concept—when the Nazis are dropping bombs on your ass, those bombs don't care how sensitive and white you are, after all—and the book has remained unavailable since. There's no evidence, though, that Eliot ever changed his views about the Jews.

There's a longish article about Eliot's anti-Semitism here, in a review which takes curious tone, conceding the bigotry but suggesting that its vehemence may have been overstated.
 
 
■
16:34 / 02.02.06
Sorry, the term was a bit sweeping. Thanks for the update, Jack. I hadn't actually heard about that essay. I was thinking of Burbank and Bleistein (from memory, something like "rats beneath the piles, Jews beneath the lot. Money in furs."), Gerontion (something like "a Jew squatting on the windowsill, spawned in some estaminet in Antwerp") and other snippets.
 
 
Chiropteran
16:45 / 02.02.06
Jub: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage says, of the rule that one must never begin a sentence with because, "This rule is a myth."
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
21:37 / 02.02.06
Thanks Jack Fear, cube and Haus.

Still feel stupid about my inattentiveness.

New question. I read somewhere that if Scotland had been independent, it would be one of the richest countries in Europe, with all the resources found in the North Sea. Is this true?
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
21:48 / 02.02.06
(Han Solo could of been refering to distance when the Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs,")

/dork hat

Sweet christ, I actually know this. At least, I know how it was retconned in the books. Apparently a Kessel run involves skirting a black hole- the closer a pilot goes to it, the shorter the run, but also the more dangerous. This means that Han Solo is a super incredibly daring hotshot pilot and he cut it really close. Of course, this makes absolutely no sense in the context of the conversation with Luke and Obi-Wan.

/end dork hat
 
 
■
21:55 / 02.02.06
Don't worry, I'm sure someone will come up with a question on TARDISes soon See who'll be the geek then.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:07 / 02.02.06
Sorry to get all... but rgggh, last few posts about stuff being got wrong, my post about stuff being got wrong, and I know what a parsec is and I've known it for everso long and now I'm going to SULK.
 
 
Harhoo
10:00 / 03.02.06
"There's no evidence, though, that Eliot ever changed his views about the Jews."

Well, even assuming that those views were there in the first place, he wasn't exactly a "rabid" anit-semite in the first place. Fairly difficult to imagine Eliot "rabid" about anything. But much of the evidence against him comes from his younger days which he generally either withdrew (ASG), emended (the famous lowercase "jew" in Gerontion) or apologised for. He took a lot of criticism for his early work, which he accepted. (There's a famous occasion towards the end of Eliot's life, where at a poetry reading where he's the guest of honour, a young American poet stands up to read a furious denouncement of Eliot's early poetry for it's anti-semitism. Uproar ensues at the lack of respect shown to TSE with the organisers trying to eject the poet; TSE prevents them, queitly demuring "it's a very good poem")

He rowed back on his views on "free-thinking Jews", later seeing Judaism as the best model for a modern religion. He was also a strong backer of for the creation of Israel, hardly the action of an anti-semite.

[The Julius book which much of this stems from is interesting and well-researched but overall a long way from conclusive and, in some places pretty daft, such as a fairly awful misreading of "Burbank with a Baedeker: Bleistein with a Cigar". Incidentally, I think exactly the same of Christopher Ricks's rebuttal, "T. S. Eliot and Prejudice", and in general I consider Ricks one of the best critics evAH]

[Personally, I quite like Empson's theory. Eliot was (early on at least) an Imagist; Imagists, to put it crudely, symbolically substituted one thing for another, a rose = the sun, for example. Eliot had a very, very bad relationship with his father (who disinherited him after his marriage), a rich businessman who belonged to a Christian sect that denied the divinity of Jesus. Bearing in mind (c.f. Bloom) that much early poetry is Oedipal combat, both literally and literarily, if you're writing about your father, a businessman who believed in God but not Jesus, what other symbol are you going to choose?]
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:12 / 03.02.06
So, my DVD burner has exploded - frustratingly, this is perhaps the one time I have not kept a box, and when i threw out the box I think I threw out the receipt. If anyone wants a DVD burner with, I think, a blown interior fuse, beep me.
So, I have decided to react in a mature and sensible fashion by buying shit. Specifically, buying a PVR- the idea being that I can then (ahem) save money by not getting a DVD bruner, and just downloading files onto my PC and burning them to DVD if I want to keep them.

Sound good so far? Marvy. So, ideally, I guess I'm looking for something with twin tuners and a USB connection. Any recommendations?

Also, I was pondering using my DVD player, feeding through the TV pr PVR, as a kind of hi-fi subsitute. Are there speakers availbale for such things, or shoudl I just get a hi-fi and have done.

kthxnbye.
 
 
grant
15:58 / 03.02.06
If I'm understanding you correctly, I think the answer is "yes."
We use our DVD player as a CD player -- it'll make noise either through the TV (that is, you just turn on the TV and use it as a hi-fi -- the blue screen is calming) or through a stereo tuner/receiver.


You can do the same thing with a computer. Thing is, if you don't have an amplifier (the tuner), you'll have to get speakers with built-in amplifiers. Most computer speakers come this way -- the ones you have to turn on. You can get big fancy ones like these or these. I don't know if it's more price-effective to get a tuner with normal speakers or to get big fancy "active" speakers -- the ones I'm thinking of are usually used in professional studios as monitors hooked up to a computer used for multitrack recording (thus, they might also call themselves "studio monitors" or similar). Also, I *think* an ordinary surround-sound system includes its own amp and speakers, retails for less than $200. I don't know how it'd do on its own as a stereo system, but might be worth asking about.
 
 
Saveloy
08:42 / 04.02.06
New Question

Have there been any films, novels, plays etc which have taken the internet forum / message board as their subject? What with the soap operatic nature of some boards, the competition, the assertion of personalities, beliefs and so on, it seems to be *begging* to be dramatised, or at least used as a major plot device.

I've seen email used as a plot device plenty of times, but I can't think of anything that's featured a forum - or rather, forum contributors.

Wait! Yes I can! The Archers!

Okay, apart from the Archers. Anyone?
 
 
Harhoo
09:12 / 06.02.06
Have there been any films, novels, plays etc which have taken the internet forum / message board as their subject?

I think that Cory Doctorow's novels have internet fora playing big parts. I could, however, be totally wrong. You can download them for free from:

Down and Out in The Magic Kingdom
Eastern Standard Tribe
 
 
Saveloy
09:44 / 06.02.06
Looks interesting, thanks Harhoo.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:43 / 06.02.06
Very late answer:

Haus, you got annoyed by "sea-change" being used in a way you thought was incorrect, quoting the following as the original source of the phrase:

But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.


However, my Eng.Lit spidey sense tells me that this phrase was likely used prior to The Tempest to mean ... I dunno ... a change in or of the sea? And more to the point the sea-change is a metaffa, innit, not nearly so specific as you are implying. And all it means anyway is (as Princeton WordNet says) - "a profound transformation" - which can apply equally to a business or Shakespeare's sleeping-with-the-fishes subject.

So no need to be annoyed!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:44 / 06.02.06
Here's some more on it from http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-sea1.htm

[Q] From Dave Donnelly in Hawaii: “The phrase sea change appears frequently in both books and newspapers, and the only definition I’ve been able to find for it is that it is a transformation. How did the phrase come about and why?”
[A] The phrase is a quotation from Shakespeare. It comes from Ariel’s wonderfully evocative song in The Tempest:
Full fathom five thy father lies:
Of his bones are coral made:
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange. Shakespeare obviously meant that the transformation of the body of Ferdinand’s father was made by the sea, but we have come to refer to a sea change as being a profound transformation caused by any agency. So pundits and commentators who think it has something to do with the ebb and flow of the tide, and use it for a minor or recurrent shift in policy or opinion, are doing a grave injustice to one of the most evocative phrases in the language. I wish a figurative full fathom five to such people.
The point at which it stopped being a direct quotation and turned into an idiom is hard to pin down, though it seems to have happened only in the latter part of the nineteenth century. The Oxford English Dictionary finds the first allusive use in one of Ezra Pound’s poems from 1917. But examples can be found a little earlier than that, as in The Great White Wall by Julian Hawthorne, dated 1877: “Three centuries ago, according to my porter, a sea-change happened here which really deserves to be called strange”.
And it’s odd that it seems to be a rare example of a hyphenated phrase that’s losing its hyphen: all the modern dictionaries I’ve consulted have it as two words with not a hyphen in sight.
 
 
Baz Auckland
13:53 / 06.02.06
Have there been any films, novels, plays etc which have taken the internet forum / message board as their subject?

Pattern Recognition by William Gibson had a internet message board throughout it, along with the characters' interactions on it (with the drama and all that). Great book too...
 
  

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