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International Cricket - Winter 2005-6

 
  

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Krug
18:19 / 12.11.05
It's much hotter than I expected I suppose living in north america for a few yeas does make you forget what "hot" really used to be. I remember enjoying November weather in Punjab.

Anyway Pakistani dominated the morning and if Butt had stayed on Pakistan would've had a massive total on their hands but nobody converted their 30s in to 50s or further. And there were some soft dismissals. England really "won" the day's play came back hard in the afternoon. If Inzamam is dismissed early tomorrow expect things to be wrapped up quickly.

I love the uncertainty of this game.
 
 
Krug
19:04 / 13.11.05
England really dominated today. Trescothick's lbw on 48 was plumb but Bowden didn't give it. That really took the game away from Pakistanis but let's hope tomorrow's better for them because otherwise this test match is England's.
 
 
William Sack
13:22 / 14.11.05
Pakistan 19 behind with 2 wickets left. I would say that it is fairly evenly balanced with a slight advantage to England. Pakistan will be kicking themselves to have lost Younis Khan so late. Sorry, not much to say - wanted to assure Krug that he is not quite alone in this thread, but I have been and will be rather busy. Are you actually in Pakistan at the moment Krug?
 
 
astrojax69
20:17 / 14.11.05
i have been lurking around this thread, but been out of the loop a little til yesterday with the game - a close contest; pakistan with eight wickets on pitches they play often may accrue a total to eclipse the tally of an england faltering in foreign conditions...

this will test the poms' mettle with the ball. i rekkun they'd be in trouble chasing anything much more than 150. that'd be a bowl-at-able target for the hosts. looks like a good contest in store - hope the series stays close...
 
 
Loomis
09:10 / 15.11.05
I'm still here with one eye on the cricket. Pakistan all out now with a lead of 197. I agree that it's a good target to bowl at. This will be a good test of England's middle order. They'll have to hold their nerve and bat sensibly and not throw this match away.

As for the upcoming Aus-WI test match, the selection of the squad is interesting. Hodge looks like he'll finally get a cap at the expense of Katich who, good player though he is, deserved to be dropped. They're making noises about dropping Clarke as well and I reckon he'll go after this match if he doesn't score. He'll definitely be back in the future though. I hope Hussey makes some runs in this match so that if Clarke goes and Langer returns, Huss can take Clarke's middle order spot. As for bowling, once again it looks like a tossup between Bracken and MacGill. I reckon it was be MacGill who'll get a go so I'm looking forward to seeing the two great leggies in tandem.
 
 
William Sack
11:24 / 15.11.05
It's a testing total to chase, especially having lost Trescothick, undoubtedly the form player, so cheaply. Excellent fight back by Pakistan, and you have to say they have given themselves the chance of winning this.

Yes, it looks as though Hodge will make his debut, the 2nd 30 year old to do so this series. That just goes to show how solid the Australian team has been for so long if Hodge and Hussey, by all accounts 2 superb batsmen, take so long to break into the side.
 
 
Krug
19:52 / 15.11.05
Nah I'm not in Pakistan Cash. New Hampshire, US. I moved out in 2003. Though all my friends are there and some family.

I'm a bit disappointed by Pakistan's middle order. After Inzamam everyone fell too early. 250 would've been a serious contest. 198, looks tough on the fifth day of a test match but we'll see. I'm not sure Pakistan's expensive seamers can do much and Kaneria doesnt look like he's on song yet. Still it should be a good half day.
 
 
astrojax69
02:20 / 16.11.05
as for the aussies against the windies: hodge/hussey? clarke/langer? well, the dropped hayden made 301 unbeaten yesterday!! wonder what the selectors will do now...

i still tip 197 to be too much for the tourists....
 
 
Krug
04:45 / 16.11.05
England need 76 to win with only Udal and Geraint Jones at the crease. Kaneria tore through the top order and England were left tottering by superb bowling by Sami and Shoaib.

I think Pakistan who nobody thought until yesterday could really do much seem to have sent a message to those who considered they didnt stand a chance in the test series (including me).

England will be coming back harder in the second test. I won't rule them out as being series winners just yet because they did lose to Australia very poorly in the first test.

Neither side will have it easy in this series and it doesnt look like there any favourites any more. Which is a good thing.

A little disappointed to hear internal conflicts still persist within the Windies side. I dont expect them to trounce the Aussies but a little competetive cricket would be fun to watch.
 
 
Loomis
08:03 / 16.11.05
That was Boof Lehmann who hit 301. I still reckon he should've been on the ashes tour ...
 
 
Loomis
09:48 / 16.11.05
What happened to the England middle order? Very impressive win by Pakistan which sets up an exciting series. Good tense cricket.
 
 
astrojax69
19:35 / 16.11.05
oops, i meant him. i could see his boof bald head in the papers as i wrote it but was all in a state over the impending football game. i'm much better now! and yep, he should get a go again...

looks like a surging victory to the hosts on the subcontinental tour - all of the english bats seemed to almost, but ah, not quite, get into a stride to get thm across a really not so distant line. will they bounce back? should be another enthralling series (not like the foregone conclusion about to start in hobart - we still can't decide between pace and spin. we'll win anyway, give magilla a go, i rekkun!)
 
 
Krug
05:32 / 17.11.05
Fucking poor display from the Windies. I'm officially giving up any hope that they can give any team besides Bangladesh and Zimbabwe a fight. God. 149 on a what appears to be a dream batting track. This shouldn't take more than 2 1/2 days to wrap up.

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Superb team effort from Pakistan. They're finally beginning to look like a team in years not a side composed of a batting matchwinner, a bowling matchwinner and 9 other blokes.
 
 
William Sack
13:26 / 17.11.05
Yes, several people chipped in, good team effort. I comfort myself thinking back to the last time England lost the first game in a series. England might have another setback in the offing. Apparently Trescothick's father-in-law was seriously injured in an accident and he will be making a decision soon about whether to go back to England. Just what England didn't need.

Another crap effort from West Indies. I think that they are ranked just above Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in the ICC rankings
 
 
Krug
20:59 / 17.11.05
If Trescothick returns to England, Vaughan doesn't get fit for the test matches, we'll have Giles as Captain. And Strauss isn't playing the third test match. And Simon Jones is back in England injured.

This is very unfortunate and they may lose the series if the worst case scenario of missing players does come to pass.
 
 
astrojax69
03:23 / 18.11.05
i see hussey has a maiden test half century and hayden just joined him for another one, no wickets down and only a handful of runs behind the inept effort by the touring windies... a thrashing is in store. only inclement weather can save them.

is it time yet for leagues in test cricket?
 
 
Loomis
09:58 / 18.11.05
I'm absolutely thrilled for Mike Hussey to have scored his debut ton. I know the opposition wasn't up to much, but he has waited a very long time to get his foot in the door of the test team and I'm so glad he's been able to make a case to stay in there after Langer comes back. He really deserves some success at this level.

On another note, why is Warne playing if he has a dodgy back? MacGill totally outbowled him in the first innings. If Warne is unfit he could have had a rest and they could have played McGrath, Lee, MacGill and Bracken. Let's face it, they're not going to be overly troubled by the windies so it's a good chance for Bracken to get some test experience under his belt.
 
 
astrojax69
23:29 / 19.11.05
all excellent points, loomis. i have no idea why we aren't feilding our under twelves, to give them a taste of half-decent (for that age group) cricketers... although, the windies did have a good first session witb the ball on day three (i noted during which at one stage australia were three for three oh three, on day three. : ))

but it is the failing of all but the english in the last several years for test teams to maybe outplay the aussies one or two sessions, but not to keep it up for a match; and the aussies come back from that sort of session with a better one!

lunch now, can't see us batting again...
 
 
Krug
09:59 / 20.11.05
Bravo and Ramdin really turned things around. Lara's dismissal was dodgy and I heard he was also unlucky in the first innings. Excellent fight back from West Indies even if its in vain. Bravo played some really breathtaking strokes.

Over in Faisalabad Pakistan ended the day after the surprisingly composed innings from Afridi (composed for the likes of him). Yousuf's catch looked like it was grounded but the umpire couldn't tell in real time but didn't go to the third umpire. Flintoff took a stunner to remove Shoaib Malik early on. Inzamam played a very careful captain's innings and surprisingly both Afridi and Inzamam dug in till the day was over. Excellent recovery from 3/73 to 300/4.
 
 
astrojax69
19:21 / 20.11.05
alright, so they make a good lunch in hobart... great to see a fight in the tail of any side, but especially a windies side that is crying out to be competetive but never seems to click. seems lara has hardly had a thing go right for him - he may have made two or three tons in luckier times - but the young'uns are showing the aussies there is a future for the windies, mebbe...

pakistan in command, can the tourists there get wickets, or will they let the hosts get too many all at once and have them chasing for three days to no avail?
 
 
Loomis
08:23 / 21.11.05
Well England have lost two wickets chasing 462 so not a good start. Another chance for their middle order to show their worth. Was great fun yesterday watching Afridi and Inzy carve it up and it sounds like they continued to do so in the first session today. I'm not sure Bell's catch yesterday was dodgy. In slowmo it did look like his hand sort of wobbled and opened after catching the ball, but I don't think the ball touched the ground at that moment. Very hard to know for sure.

Speaking of dodgy umpiring though, I've been reading about Inzy's run out. Has anyone seen it? Sounds like he was taking evasive action and therefore not out, but I haven't seen it yet. I'd be very surprised if Simon Taufel made such a bad call but it doesn't sound good. Mind you I already have a fairly low opinion of the recently developed habit of ENglish bowlers throwing the ball at the batsman when they're not even attempting a run. Remember the drama on the ashes tour between I think Jones and Langer? I would've clobbered him with my bat for that.

On the aussie front, finally the selectors have shown some sense and dropped Clarke. He'll no doubt bounce back like all the greats have done but right now Hussey and Hodge will take us through the next couple of years. I also think Warne should have a game off and give a third fast man some test experience because that's the area we really need to sort out.
 
 
William Sack
10:56 / 21.11.05
It sounds as though Inzamam should have been given not out, though I am only going on what was said on the Cricinfo site. Anyway, I think he showed restraint in not smacking someone with his bat; didn't he clobber an Indian spectator with his bat a few years ago?

Dreadful start by England which means that already the focus is probably on trying to save a match that they really needed to win.

Shahid Afridi was scoring well over a run a ball and had hit 5 sixes when you described his innings as composed Krug. I guess England should be thankful he didn't really get going. I have never seen him bat, but from what I have read he really does seem to be an amazing player when he is on song - his first international innings (aged 16) was a 37 ball century against Sri Lanka.

Which reminds me, Pakistan and India are much more likely to give teenagers, even young ones like Hasan Raza (14), a go at international cricket, whereas England and Australia are handing out 1st caps to players in their 30s.
 
 
Krug
21:53 / 21.11.05
Judging by strike rate that may not look composed but Afridi tends swing wildly at every third ball and sometimes at all six balls in an over. But I was shocked at his excellent defensive strokes while playing Flintoff. He did go a bit crazy sometimes but for Afridi it was surprisingly intelligent. That's just judging him by his previous batting. Afridi also scruffed the pitch between the break when the gas cylinder exploded for which he received a three match (1 test, 2 one day) ban. It's a big blow for Pakistan and it was just daft on Afridi's part.

The replays of the bell catch they showed very late yesterday did show that the ball was grounded. The Afridi catch was a low one and perfectly clean which everyone agreed on.

Inzi's innings were ultimately the most responsible and patient I've seen any captain play in the longest time and included some beautiful pulls and hooks. That runout was appalling and the umpiring has been surprisingly poor from Hair/Taufell.

There should be something abou this hostile throwing the ball back at the stumps when the batsmen isn't running. Pakistanis were retaliating but not aiming for the batsmen after they came onto field. Inzi was still very upset you could tell and later in the day exchanged a few words with Darrell Hair about something and Hair wrote something in his notebook then looked at his watch and possibly entered the time. Inzi did indeed lose it after an indian supporter said something to him. I'm not sure whether it was a comment about his weight or if it was his about his mum. It was something like that and Inzi's a very emotional lummox. You expect a captain to be less of a baby but I doubt anything can be done since he's always been that way. I wish he'd show more restraint because the last thing he needs is a ban being the captain and best batsmen in the side.

England's chances don't look very good and they should concentrate on saving the match at this point and give up hope of taking the series.

There was a time when Australia had enough players to fill up two sides and if given a chance both sides would have ended up contesting for the top spot in the world and probably end up in the finals of the world cup.

Sky sports's production leaves a lot to be desired. I dont expect any Pakistanis to be insightful and articulate to be part of the studio analysis team except maybe Imran Khan who probably doesnt have the time but England has people like Michael Atherton and Geoff Boycott and instead we get Dominic Cork and Bob Willis. They ought to hire Channel 4's team considering they do have the money.

If any of you don't have access to the games where you are and aren't completely anti-piracy PM me, I'll give you a link to the site that streams the games and costs only six and a half quid for sixty days of live sport (cricket, football etc). In the US I'd have to trade in my cable and get a satellite dish then pay nearly a hundred dollars extra per series which is out of question for me. In Pakistan you can watch every sport live in your cable subscription for something like five dollars a month.
 
 
William Sack
12:45 / 22.11.05
What an intriguing couple of days; dodgy run-outs, explosions, and the most idiotic pitch-scuffing incident ever (ok, so the players were elsewhere, but that still left several thousand spectators and several TV cameras to see and record exactly what Shahid Afridi did). To be frank everyone tries to scuff up the pitch by running on it, following through on it, and doing all sorts of stuff accidentally-on-purpose, but they do it in a discrete way. Afridi's biggest crime was monumental idiocy.

As for the cricket - I am glad that Bell scored a test century against proper opposition (apologies to Bangladeshis, but there we are) and that Pietersen came good. Bell has bags of talent, but, I suspect, lost his confidence against Australia.

The match is fairly evenly poised with England looking like getting to around Pakistan's total, but I would make the draw the favourite at the moment. But wouldn't it be funny if the King of Spain skittles Pakistan turning it out of Shahid Afridi's rough?

PM coming your way, Krug, requesting access to streaming sporty goodness.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:28 / 23.11.05
I'd bet on the draw, I think.

(sorry, have been following test but with little time to rant and analyse, but am loving this thread. Keep up the good work, chaps)
 
 
Loomis
07:38 / 24.11.05
It was looking pretty dire when I left the flat this morning with four wickets down, but Freddy and the skunk have steadied the ship. Still a chance for Pakistan to run away with it.
 
 
Krug
11:01 / 24.11.05
An odd test match. At times I felt robbed of entertainment because of the controversial decisions and the pissy Darrell Hair. Bob Willis kept insisting that Hair/Tauffel/Dar are the best umpires in the game, Hair is getting bogged down with things and is not concentrating on getting the decisions right and doing what matters. Mohammad Akram was a little irritated and all but called him a racist who has something against Kaneria and Asians. Wouldn't agree about the asian thing without any real evidence but he's the only one who has had problems with Kaneria while no other umpire warns him.

Good defense by England to save the match which was rather boring in the last couple of hours mainly because I wanted to see wickets fall and more tension. Pietersen/Flintoff/Jones saved England after the top four were skittled by inspiring opening spells by Naved and Shoaib. Pakistan did the right thing by bringing him in because he can add some handy runs, gives his all to fielding and bowls like a dream. I'm sure this will go a long way to silence critics of his test record.
I'm also wondering since there's no fog in Pakistan yet why the matches had to start at 9:30 since it's robbed them of nearly sixty overs per fixture. I'm sure there's a justification for this but I can't help but feel they ought to start an hour before they normally are if they cant have the last hour of light which they need. Or at least thirty minutes. Inzamam's hundred was a mixture of selfish and leaving Pakistan very little time to finish off england. 230 was a competetive winning total I thought coming in the next day and going after the bowling for an hour or being bowled (whatever came first) should've been the strategy. A little disappointed since Pakistan didnt need the safety of a draw since they were one up and their bowlers could've done the job.
A winning draw for Pakistan who only have themselves to blame for the draw after dropping catches, missing a stumping for Bell/Pietersen who had enough extra lives to save England from an embarassing first innings total.

The positive thing I can say is that this keeps the series alive for the third test. No Strauss means either Collingwood or Alistair Cook. Havent seen Cook bat but given his double hundred versus the aussies he deserves an early chance while Collingwood should sit it out because he hasn't given signs of being test match material yet. I'd leave out Udal at least and give Jimmy Anderson a chance, english spinners were useless and only Afridi was effective in the first innings. Which was probably because of being an unusual spinner who bowls fast ones. Giles has been useless in both tests but I think they'll stick with him anyway.

And we all thought Pakistan would be a poor test side and could only probably best England in the pajama games. I'm wondering who will replace Simon Jones in the one days or if Strauss will return for the one days after the birth of his first child.

Cash mate I sent one back. Let me know if it's worked out for you.

Has anyone seen Loudon bowl?
 
 
William Sack
11:44 / 24.11.05
Thanks for the PM Krug, will check it out soon.

I only heard about 20 minutes of this on the radio before leaving home today and didn't learn of the result until a few minutes ago. Piss poor effort by England by the looks of things. I thought this wicket was supposed to be as flat as a pancake; how did England get to 20-4 ? I thought it was England who were going into the final day with a sniff of a win. Anyway, I guess that the middle order solidity is a positive.

Amazing that 60 overs have been lost to bad light; that is like having a test match of 4 days and one session. That's practically a limited overs game.

England are trying to establish themselves as the best test side in the world; to be brutally frank, the best side in the world would never in a million years include Collingwood and Udal, useful county cricketers that they are. Fringe players of the Aussie side include MacGill, Tait, Hussey, Lehmann, Hodge, and like you say, Krug, Australia could probably field 2 test sides. ENgland are not looking too brilliant when they lose a couple of their ideal starting 11.

I'm afraid I have not seen Loudon play and the only 2 things I know about him is that he is frightfully posh and that he can bowl a 'doosra' (offspinner's 'wrong 'un'), which previously only Mulli and Saqlain Mushtaq could bowl.

GGM - good to see you here. I was going to post a link to an article on Cricinfo a while back. It was a report about cricketing loyalties among British Pakistanis (remembering your own remarks in other threads about fluid loyalties). I'll try and find the article, but basically the reporter did his own 'Tebbit test' on the streets on Whitechapel and found that about 80% of British Pakistanis he spoke to supported Pakistan, and those who supported England were in their 20s. The other thing he found is that if he asked teenage boys if they liked cricket in front of their friends then they would say no. If he spoke to them alone, he found that they were intersted - basically, the interest is there but it's not cool to like cricket.
 
 
William Sack
12:36 / 24.11.05
Here's the article.

"I love cricket, I love watching England play. I've seen them play more than Pakistan, but I still want Pakistan to beat England. Although I feel part of British society, and am happy to be part of it, I was born in Pakistan and that's where my heart is. I just wish Freddie Flintoff had been born in Pakistan too!"
 
 
astrojax69
19:51 / 24.11.05
the england top order fail and flintoff and pietersen steady the ship... a dangerous ploy; worked this time again, but...

absolutely agree, ws, england's 'world's best' team isn't as deep as australia's. that said, their team on the day/s beat ours and won the ashes, so depth is important but you need height too!

clarke is dropped for the third test against the windies but he'll be back hitting tons in short order, i suspect. his state team is on fire but he'll get in there anyway and have to perform - fantastic, i rekkun! with tait, hussey, hodge and watson all emerging as enduring, mature, decisive cricketers of the future, with the guidance of some senior players and other fringe players with some years on (i'm talking to you, magilla!) i think the australian cricket future is secure for a while and will take a bit of beating.

but england look most likely, with their own emerging crop. bell and freddie and pietersen will be around a while yet and win a few matches between them...

really interesting article, btw, thanks the link!

australia, of course, is very multicultural and, while an anglo, my cohort at school was yugoslav, persian, lebanese, lithuanian, brasilian, vietnamese, turkish, italian and maybe half anglo... i think i gained much from the exposure to the cultural passion from many varied homelands and traditions and am grateful for that youth. and i recall from then a variance of allegiance across the generations over football (in 1974 australia qualified for its first ever world cup soccer) my soccer mates all of course wanted autsralia to beat everybody but their families had stronger faiths. i don't recall any of them being chastised or even teased by their families for going for the aussies, now i think about it. isn't that nice?


what predictions for the two third tests almost upon us? i think the hosts will win both, comfortably. though pakistan will get more of a fight.
 
 
astrojax69
03:07 / 25.11.05
lara just knocked an unbeaten ton, after brett lee destroyed the three top order batsmen with, at one stage i saw, figures of 3/25.

the windies are 4/185, must be near tea time. can this be the second] last lara innings on australian soil? mebbe the last ton...
 
 
Krug
07:08 / 25.11.05
I'm an antinationalist who has no plans to live in Pakistan ever again and have no attachment to selective pieces of earth divided by imaginary borderlines.

That said I still support Pakistan over England despite being a huge fan of England since I was a kid even when they weren't a very good side. But then I'm not a "British Pakistani".

While a lot of immigrants who move abroad may think of their second homes as nice countries they really dont think it equals to their native country.

I think with me it has everything to do with supporting the side since I was a kid. And it helps at least a couple of players are still in the side even if most have retired.
 
 
Krug
07:12 / 25.11.05
I only saw the early bits of the Windies/Aus match and Lara was really struggling. I thought that the next twenty minutes are crucial. If they don't get him out he'll smack them around the park and score atleast a tonne if not a bigger score. I had to leave and it figures, that the one day I can't watch the game Lara finally comes good. And its Lara I'm watching this series for.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
09:23 / 25.11.05
I wish I struggled enough to get a double hundred against the Aussies. Lara passess 11,000 test runs with a frankly majestic innings. This is what the crowd want to see and I was very impressed by the Aussie crowd and players showing due respect. He's only 11 runs behind Border now.

I was so disappointed the last time Lara was in England, he just looked a bit useless, frankly. Not the inspired terror of English bowling I'd grown up fearing. I don't want to remember one of the greatest batsmen of all time being bowled round his legs by a wonderball from the King Of Spain, I really don't.
 
 
Loomis
12:21 / 25.11.05
Tatenda Taibu has resigned from Zimbabwe cricket after threats to the safety of his family. As he's pretty much the only player in the side of true international ability, the pressure has got to be increasing on the ICC to act. How much more evidence do they need of how the game has been screwed by the people running the show in Zimbabwe. Just shocking. It'll take years if not decades to fix Zimbabwe cricket after what's been done there over the last few years.
 
  

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