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International Cricket - Winter 2005-6

 
  

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Loomis
14:39 / 24.02.06
Yeah Udal is rubbish. And Panesar is probably too young and could be scarred if he gets tonked too soon. Probably best for him to chalk this tour up to experience and keep practising his batting and keep an eye on the future.

I'm sure the crowds will be full on in SA, but then they always are anyway. They love to hate us, so it's unlikely that anything they throw at the Aussie players will be anything they haven't done before, and they'll deal with what they get.

I'm a bit worried about our bowling. How many different bowlers can you cycle through? I don't really care about the ODIs but mainly for the test series. If pigeon doesn't play (and it's looking likely that he won't) then I reckon we need an experienced bowler and that means dizzy or kasper, who have both taken plenty of wickets in the state comp. It would be madness to play a test series with Lee being the only experienced bowler.
 
 
Krug
17:50 / 25.02.06
King of spain didnt make the tour, Trescothick's gone home, Pietersen couldnt bat in the second innings of the tour game and could be injured, Simon Jones is sick.

England's chances are downright terrible for the first test and I wonder if they'll be able to put up much of a fight against India.
 
 
Krug
17:52 / 25.02.06
And Michael Vaughan didnt even play the tour game because of an injury so if he's not fit, who'll lead? Strauss?
 
 
William Sack
10:38 / 27.02.06
And now Simon Jones has picked up an injury in the nets. This is a shambles. It looks like Freddie has been given the captaincy, and will be staying in India for the full series rather than returning home for some paternity leave.

Talking to an Indian guy last night who was relishing the prospect of this series. He felt that the 1 dayers will be particularly one-sided, which I wouldn't disagree with. He was also saying that he had been impressed with a couple of quick bowler, Patel and Shreesanth. Not that I can imagine any of this series' wickets being quick bowlers' wickets.

Loomis, McGrath leaves a huge hole, even in a squad as strong as the Aussies'. I have been watching the DVD of the Ashes series and losing him for the Edgbaston test and then his rather more subdued role in the rest of the series was one of the most important factors in our victory. He is that rare thing - a metronomically accurate attacking bowler.
 
 
Loomis
10:47 / 01.03.06
A good start for India, though England weren't too shoddy. They just couldn't capitalise on their starts but I wouldn't call it a collapse or anything. A lot will depend on whether Hoggard can stay in for a while tomorrow morning and Colly can score some runs. He was looking very comfortable there in the last session.

The deck isn't turning too much just yet so if India can get in soon they might be able to get a decent first innings score then mop up in the second dig. Pathan was getting some swing though so if Flintoff and Hoggard can do the same tomorrow then England may do ok when they bowl. Depends a lot on their spinners though, otherwise there could be a lot of overs for the fast men. Two debutant spinners for England in one match and three debutants overall. Not usually a very safe move! Not that they had much choice I guess. I didn't see Cook's innings but by all accounts it was very good.

As for Australia, McGrath is out so I'm very itnerested to see what they do. Tait is back from injury and took six wickets in the one day domestic final so he could be favoured, but I'll be pretty pissed off if Gillespie doesn't get his second chance.
 
 
astrojax69
00:15 / 02.03.06
apparently, loomis, dizzy is giving tait a big wrap; even though it is probably his own spot he's agitating for tait to get!

but it will be a good test for depth if they can throw tait, or dizzy, into the mix and get a solid result.
 
 
Krug
19:38 / 03.03.06
I didn't see the South Africa/Aus game but they were beaten by nearly 200 runs. Stunning.

I was a little disappointed how Kaif was given an extra couple of lives by the dropped catches but England could still win the test from here. I remember watching Kaif for the first time, how he took the game away from England in the Natwest series final a few years ago. I thought he was a Michael Bevan for India at the time but I've since gotten the feeling he never did fulfill potential and promise. That said full credit to Kaif and Kumble for sticking in and saving India in rather the same way Harmisson and Collingwood saved England. It could go either way folks.
 
 
Loomis
14:30 / 04.03.06
God, that ODI was a disaster. Graeme Smith is really getting his own back on us so far this tour.

Great test match so far between ENgland and India. SOme good performances on both sides in a relatively low scoring match. In fact the first innings for both teams were lower than might have been expected and so far the second innings are producing mroe runs than you would have thought. The pitch seems to be holding together much more than was predicted, so it won't be easy to bowl India out tomorrow. But they can still do it and snatch the win.
 
 
astrojax69
20:38 / 05.03.06
well now, shall we see tests against america soon??

pakistan subverting american sports...
 
 
astrojax69
20:25 / 12.03.06
wow! wow! and fucking wow!!

fancy crashing four hundred - four hundred - and thirty four runs... and losing! what a feast that must have been for the spectators. they'll never be the same, poor things.

so, does that install the saffies and the aussies in favouritism for the world cup? (esp given we've got ooh ahh glenn mcgrath to come back..!)
 
 
jeed
06:02 / 13.03.06
I can't believe i went to the pub instead of watching that game. Gah.

Aussies looking good for the World Cup, McGrath to come back, and Symonds continues to scare me. Though the South Africans have got Pollock, Langeveld, and Nel to come back. And Pakistan are looking worryingly good once again.

Reckon Mike Lewis has got much of a future as an Aussie bowler? (113 conceded from 10 overs)
 
 
astrojax69
21:06 / 13.03.06
pubs ate your life, jeed!

dunno about lewis. really haven't seen enough of him... but those figures could happen to anyone (he had to be good enough to be picked to be out there - and the record he snared was last owned by the inimitable murali!) and it will be all about how / if he bounces back. the batting was ferocious, from all accounts, and i guess the aussies were guilty of floating out to field on cloud nine, believing themselves to maybe be standing on the verge of the also the biggest ever defeat... complacency, a cunning enemy.

they are calling this 'the greatest odi ever'... anyone disagree? there is the matter of the aussie attitude going out to field, and i guess there are some who might find a tighter, less thrashing game more to their tastes. maybe some bowlers would only watch and wince! i wonder what the players think...
 
 
jeed
06:28 / 14.03.06
Tell me about it...

I got the impression Lewis got picked because he had a reputation as being a solid 'death' bowler. Unlucky. I've no idea why Lee only bowled 8 overs and Lewis bowled 10 though. I guess even Kallis went for over 11 an over, so it seems there might have been more help for the bowlers off tarmac.

It might have been the greatest batting one-dayer, but for a start i reckon the England vs. Australia tie in the final of the last Natwest series, pre-Ashes, was probably a better all-round game. I mean, tying off the last ball? A more up and down game, whereas AUS-SA was just a (admittedly huge)run-chase. Depends whether you class great games as being boundary-fests or horrific pressure-cookers.

Not too sure on this quote from Steve Waugh
"Teams are starting to stack their sides with batsmen now, and I can see that becoming more frequent and games just becoming 'batathons'," he explained. "The crowds would love it and television would as well. Bowlers are going to be like accessories in the game.

Bollocks to crowds, and bollocks to TV, frankly. If you'd rather see bowlers getting flayed on flat pitches then you're missing out on what's great about cricket, and thats a fair fight between bat and ball, and I'm surprised to hear Waugh saying what he did. Though if a bowling attacks looking as ropey as Australia's is at the minute i could understand it.

Still, kinda looking forward to the England-India ODIs, though i wish we had Simon Jones back, Patel, that new India bowler that got 7 in the last test was reversing it all over the place, and i think we're missing variety. Though i reckon Panesar's looking pretty tasty, and that might be it for Giles.
 
 
Loomis
09:53 / 14.03.06
My favourite ODI match was the tie between Aus and SA in the 99 world cup. Much more exciting, up and down, each team taking the initiative, and a lot more to play for. At the end of the day, who gives a shit about some random one day series vs winning the world cup? Great match though and I agree jeeb, I would hate to see the game get any more batsman friendly than it already is. I don't think ODIs will turn into Twnety20 anytime soon though. You can't try for 6 off every ball without getting out half the time so once a few teams starting getting themselves out in the first five overs then things will swing back. We're already seeing unfortunately lesser bowlers being picked because they can bat, in both ODIs and tests, but as soon as you get a dodgy pitch then the bowlers come back into their own.

Aus only scored that bit because they had wickets in hand which they probably wouldn't have had if they had been hitting big from the outset. And SA only went the slog because they were chasing a massive total. I don't expect it to happen the same way in many games.

Can't wait for the tests though as this just ups the ante. Loving the war of words as well! Though by all accounts it was a big love-in after that ODI. I think both sides realised what a historic game it was and what a great performance on both sides so they were appreciative of each other's efforts.

I dunno about Lewis. Could have happened to anyone I guess. Punter should have taken him off. Should have brought the slow bowlers back so that the (particularly lower order) batsmen had to heave their own boundaries rather than just get an edge on it and the pace of the ball takes it to the boundary. Bracken was pretty impressive though. And he's been left out of the test squad! As was Dizzy. Don't get me started on that one ...

England/India test should be good too although I don't rate ENgland's chances. I think they've lost some momentum now and they can no longer win the series so they could be up against it. It's been a fascinating series so far though. A great couple of weeks of cricket all round and the next couple should be even better.
 
 
astrojax69
21:18 / 14.03.06
i thought this twenty 20 piffle was the batsman's domain, to save the established competitions becoming waugh's batathon's... (though i took his comments as being a descriptin of what is, not what he'd like to see..?)
 
 
nedrichards is confused
12:32 / 19.03.06
So, where have England found all these quality batsmen from all of a sudden then? Were they hiding? If so why did we have to put up with Ramprakash for so long?
 
 
Loomis
07:24 / 20.03.06
I don't even like putting up with Ramps in the sky commentary.
 
 
jeed
08:37 / 22.03.06
Yeah, rereading that it does sound like that's what Waugh was expecting rather than what he wants - like you say twenty20's the ringfenced batathon now, no need to make one-dayers the same.

Quality last test anyway, and as much as i've slated Udal, given a decent pitch and some half-decent fielding (bar Monty's first debacle), he did alright. Can't see Giles quaking in his boots though. Can't remember seeing India collapse like that for...ever actually.

Begs the question now, after the one-dayers and saying everyone's fit, who gets the last batsman's place for the summer? Collingwood/Bell/Cook/Shah? Plus if Strauss and Jones hadn't had a decent last test i'd be saying get Cook and Read in as replacments, and I'd still like Chris Read to get a shot, seeing as how Jones is supposedly in there for his batting and at the minute, i reckon I could bowl him out...left-handed...blindfolded.

And Pietersen? Jury's still out to be honest.
 
 
Loomis
13:03 / 23.03.06
England’s new line-up is going to be tricky.

For a start, get rid of Bell. He hasn’t got the gumption for test cricket as far as I can tell. Bring Shah into the middle order – he looked good and solid. Have a word in KP’s ear and tell him if he doesn’t start playing like a test batsman then he’ll be next. They’ve already got Freddy slogging and you don’t want two batsmen to be sloggers because when it doesn’t pay off all of a sudden you’ve gone from the top order to the bowlers in the space of an over. Australia are learning this by playing both Symonds and Gilchrist in the test team – a risky strategy.

I know you can’t really chuck Vaughan because of his captaining skills, but I’ve never been convinced by his batting and after all this injury stuff, he’s a walking wicket. Might be better for him to retire while he’s ahead. Freddy might not be as much of a tactician but he inspires good performances. Bring Tresco back into the side as vice captain.

As for the bowling, I’d go back to the ashes line up. Panesar shows promise but he’s too green for an ashes battle so I’d probably stick with the wheelie bin for another year or so then give Ashley the tap on the shoulder and move monty in. I don’t really rate the king of spain on the whole but he’s a tough competitor who won’t get rattled whereas Monty needs a bit more experience, which is why this series was very valuable for him.

Back in the day I favoured Read over Jones for the keeper’s spot but I think it’s too late now. For better or worse, Jones has settled in the team and was part of the ashes-winning squad. And it can’t be easy trying to save millions of byes from Harmy throwing it down the legside every other delivery ...

I reckon though if everyone is fit then the selectors will revert back to the ashes squad with the possible change of Bell for somebody.
 
 
astrojax69
03:27 / 24.03.06
Australia are learning this by playing both Symonds and Gilchrist in the test team – a risky strategy.

get the point, but like jones in the england team, gilly is the 'keeper and so his batting is [sort of] irrelevant. actually, a nice knock to have for indulgent irrelevance!

symonds is in the test team for his batting (which i fancy will settle down when it needs to as he grows accustomed to the ways and wherefores of test cricket) as well as his bowling - plus fielding and capacity to ignite. how can you leave either out at the moment? granted, symonds' bowling isn't scinitllating...


looks like a good contest set for the second test in s/africa. warney is trying to psyche the saffies into capitulating in three days again: so he can play golf! the man can talk as well as bowl...

i suspect a closer contest this match - though who'd bank against the aussies wrapping up the tri-test series in two straight?
 
 
William Sack
11:18 / 24.03.06
Strange last day at Mumbai. Read a report on an Indian website where the suspicion of match-fixing was raised - bizarre decision to bowl first, loads of dropped catches, and a series of shots on the last day so bad you almost thought the batsmen were trying to get out. I don't think there is anything in the allegation, but it certainly was an extraordinary final day.

I think I was earlier bemoaning the fact that England were only a class outfit when they had their full strength side. I really don't know as much about this game as I like to think I do. 5 out of the 6 newcomers and fringe players on the Indian tour stepped up and put in remarkable performances. It is starting to look as though we do have some strength in depth.

I agree that Bell's position is not looking secure. He had a decent time in Pakistan but just hasn't sustained it. More to the point is the fact that Collingwood is looking rock solid (proving me wrong yet again) and Cook and Shah are looking class acts.

Pietersen will come good again. He is fantastically talented. His natural game involves a degree of risk, just as, say, Dravid's doesn't, and I think that any attempts to curtail what comes naturally would be unwise and counter-productive. He plays big shots that no-one else plays and if he hits them for 4 or 6 we're amazed; but if he gets out he looks a tit.

Loomis: They’ve already got Freddy slogging and you don’t want two batsmen to be sloggers because when it doesn’t pay off all of a sudden you’ve gone from the top order to the bowlers in the space of an over.

But Freddy hasn't been slogging. His last 2 50s took well over a 100 balls. He's been the model of restraint.

Loomis: but I’ve never been convinced by [Vaughan's] batting and after all this injury stuff, he’s a walking wicket

Not convinced during the 2002-3 Ashes series when he scored 3 tons, and 633 runs in 10 innings against the best attack in the world? I rate him highly, but you're right about the injury; it's extremely worrying, especially as it's the same knee that caused him problems before.

I think the King of Spain has a future with England, but again it's nice to see a youngster snapping at his heels. Monty's batting and fielding are a little slapstick but he's an extremely promising bowler.
 
 
Loomis
13:36 / 24.03.06
Match fixing eh? Interesting thought actually as you’re right, there were a number of strange coincidences. Still, cricket repeatedly frustrates any attempts to predict it. A lot of credit has to go to England’s bowlers who kept the pressure up and India’s batsmen just got pushed into tentative shots. It reminded me a bit of the recent ashes series where there just weren’t enough bad balls to allow the batsmen to settle. Tendulkar’s and Dravid’s wickets were a bit like that, and I didn’t expect anything better from Dhoni who is too much of a Gilchrist or KP to do anything else, although doing it twice in three balls was a bit much. What an idiot. Should be dropped from the team just to make a point. I think they let the mindset of defeat in as soon as they selected their opening pair at the beginning of their second innings. Dravid should’ve moved up the order. I think they just weren’t confident of surviving and couldn’t face the pressure.

It’s very hard to know what to make of all the debutant success lately. Does it mean they should be straight into the team or is it just luck? Clark just had a 9 wicket haul in his first test for Australia but I don’t want to dub him the new McGrath just yet. As much as I slag off the selectors, I wouldn’t want to be the one trying to look into the future and predict who will be a lasting addition to the team. But I definitely think that Bell has had his chance. He’s just too tentative at the crease.

I agree that Freddy is maturing as a batsman and playing some classy middle order innings so I suppose that does give KP more freedom to take risks but I’m not entirely convinced. Someone like Gilchrist can slog because as astrojax says the keeper isn’t expected to do the job of the middle order but KP has to be able to do that, at least sometimes. “Playing their natural game” is something that I’m not really convinced by. A test batsman needs to be flexible. He can slog when it’s time to slog but play defensively when trying to save a match. If the ashes are on the line and you’re batting to save the match then KP holes out to mid on, I don’t think anyone will be saying that he should play his natural game. Martyn was dropped from the aussie side for years after being held responsible for losing to South Africa through a rash shot.

Not convinced during the 2002-3 Ashes series when he scored 3 tons, and 633 runs in 10 innings against the best attack in the world? I rate him highly, but you're right about the injury; it's extremely worrying, especially as it's the same knee that caused him problems before.

But what has he done for me lately? That was a long time ago and I think he’s been living off it for way too long now. The history of test cricket is full of players who had one great series and never did a thing since. I would scrap Vaughan if not for his captaincy, and the longer he’s away, the less weight that carries. Hopefully he’ll be back for the summer and will have a chance to prove himself.
 
 
William Sack
14:01 / 24.03.06
“Playing their natural game” is something that I’m not really convinced by. A test batsman needs to be flexible. He can slog when it’s time to slog but play defensively when trying to save a match. If the ashes are on the line and you’re batting to save the match then KP holes out to mid on, I don’t think anyone will be saying that he should play his natural game.

But KP *did* bat to save the Ashes, and he flayed it to all parts. If he had hunkered down on that final day at the Oval rather than taken it to the Australian attack we may have had a different result. His natural instinct is to attack and to dominate the bowlers - paradoxically this can mean that he is less likely to get out attacking than defending.

Interesting last half hour or so in Durban. It was all looking rather nice for Australia when Ponting and Martyn were cruising to their respective century and 50. SA right back in it now though, and Ntini seems to be firing - pinged Symonds on the head 2nd ball.
 
 
Loomis
20:02 / 24.03.06
Hmm. Maybe. Aussies weren't going to win on the last day at the oval so I wouldn't really classify that as batting to save the match, but fair enough. I'm not saying I'd drop him, but I think he needs to learn some control because he'll go through patches where he keeps throwing his wicket away and not scoring runs and he'll have to justify his place. He's still young though so by the time he's in his late twenties he may have a more complete game.

Just watched the highlights from today's play in SA. Looks pretty even at the moment. Aussies still have the batting power to put on a good total. I think anything above 350 will be good if we bowl well. Symonds looked pretty rattled after he copped that ball in the face. He was dripping blood and looked dazed. Hope he's ok tomorrow. Ntini was roaring in and generating some good pace and bounce. Great game so far.
 
 
Loomis
20:06 / 24.03.06
Just to add, I think I'm always suspicious of one day players making the transition to test cricket. I was a big fan of Ian Healy and was suspicious of Gilly when he was brought into the test team, swinging at every ball and not looking like he had the style for test cricket. And look what he's done for the game since. I just like to see a straight bat now and again I guess.
 
 
William Sack
13:24 / 27.03.06
Aussies weren't going to win on the last day at the oval

That's not how it felt like to me as I was chewing my nails down to my elbows.

So, what's on Smith and Ponting's iPods tomorrow morning?
 
 
astrojax69
17:46 / 27.03.06
graeme smith will have joy division on the room's speakers to rev up the lads for a do or die effort...

on punter's it'll be some fat lady, singing...
 
 
astrojax69
22:29 / 28.03.06
she did. sang 'o warney' all the way to a series win in two. and a day of golf for st shane... innit all just right with the world....

gets a bit boring, winning all the time. hope we get thrashed in the next test; but then we always lose dead rubbers, so is no indication.
 
 
Loomis
06:37 / 29.03.06
(to the tune of Auld Lang Syne)

two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil ...

two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil, two-nil ...
 
 
William Sack
08:50 / 30.03.06
Freddie Flintoff put Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire" on very loud in the changing room at lunchtime before the final matchwinning push on the last day in Mumbai. I can understand his reasons as it had been something of a tour anthem; but Joy Division ????

I don't know why it is, but I just can't get myself worked up about the 1 dayers in India. I would prefer it if England won, but it really doesn't go much further than a mild preference. I gather that in Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka it's the 1 day game that draws the crowds and captivates the public imagination. Any idea why that is?
 
 
Loomis
09:06 / 30.03.06
Good question. I often hear people mention how popular the game is there but I don't really know why either. I agree with you that it's hard to maintain interest. There are always too many as well.
 
 
Loomis
15:01 / 31.03.06
Gibbs needs to learn where his stumps are. He's been bowled so many times lately. It's not really excusable for a test batsman.

Saffies not doing too badly considering they lost a few cheap wickets. They'll need to hang in there for a while and get a reasonable total to feel confident going out to bowl.
 
 
astrojax69
22:34 / 09.04.06
check that! bangladesh makes 5/255 against aussies on day one of the first test. that'll be a day for them to remember; might even be the first of many days..!

what else is there cricket at the moment...?
 
 
astrojax69
21:46 / 10.04.06
like eveready batteries, they're still going, oi!

bangladesh got 427 [!!!] against us and have us on the ropes at six [!!!] for 247 - our only beacon of hope is gilchrist on 51. he shall have to convert or we'll follow on.

to bangladesh! go them..!!
 
 
astrojax69
00:32 / 11.04.06
i am a (wreck)... i meant australia is six for ONE hundred & 45, not 247 as first reported. i blame society.

a team is 6/145. aust v bangladesh. you'd expect it weas the latter's score, huh?

not today!
 
  

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