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All-Star Superman

 
  

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FinderWolf
12:09 / 28.01.06
I thought the b&w panels were showing Lois' chemically-hallucinating POV. So we get to see a physical manifestation of the effect the super-costume and powers-brewing chemicals have on Lois rather than just taking Supes' word for it that the chemicals were making her more paranoid.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:11 / 28.01.06
And in fact, I had thought someone mentioned this very same thought here earlier...and here it is:

>> what about Lois seeing in B&W, an "effect" from the chemicals Supes mentioned being released in the air? nice touch.
 
 
Tim Tempest
02:25 / 01.02.06
Mr. Stewart, I totally agree with your point on pop culture. I find it takes away from the time-less-ness of the story.

But GM can make it work. He always does.

But with the unknown Superman of the future, it reminded me of an old DC Sgt. Rock-ish character called The Unknown Soldier. He had the same bandaged face and everything. I don't have any scans of the comics, nor the comics themselves at hand, but did anyone else recognize this as a reference to an old school DC comic, or just a mere coincidence? Or is Oddman losing his mind?

Only time will tell.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:07 / 01.02.06
Oddman is not losing his mind.
Oddman is just not reading threads before he posts on them.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:48 / 02.02.06
Someone said upthread that kids really should be reading this comic (not exclusively, obviously- I'm 34 and loving every panel!)

It'd be interesting, though certainly impossible, to get a breakdown of the demographic for this title- is it mainly being reading by adult comics fans, or are kids getting to experience the- erm, ASS-loving? Cos it'd be a terrible shame were they to miss out on quite such a glorious comic, and also because it still with issue 2 reminds me of why I, who am not really the world's biggest Supes fan, loved the character as a child.

Basically, what I think I'm saying is that EVERYONE should be reading this. Except maybe B*rne, because he doesn't deserve it.

The sensawunda is strong in this one, oh yes.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:53 / 02.02.06
>>>It'd be interesting, though certainly impossible, to get a breakdown of the demographic for this title- is it mainly being reading by adult comics fans, or are kids getting to experience the- erm, ASS-loving? Cos it'd be a terrible shame were they to miss out on quite such a glorious comic,<<<

Give your copy to a kid. Or buy a few more and give them away.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:56 / 02.02.06
I'm loving Grant's Superman, but I imagine if I was fifteen again, it would probably bore the crap outta me.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:49 / 02.02.06
depends on when you were a kid/teenager and what you read at that age. I for one grew up on Silver Age reprints plus what followed [including B*rne's revamp], so I'm loving this ASS.

I mean, a robot replacing Clark so Lois won't discover his secret identity, the robot having a serious malfunction and Lois thinking Cark was having convulsions. eventually "dying", can't remember. we may see something like that in future issues and it'll feel right.
 
 
garyancheta
01:10 / 05.02.06
Reading over All Star Superman yesterday, I came to a
realization about the story itself.

Throughout the story, it shows that Superman is fond
of "saving" potential disasters. He opens his fortress
and we get this amazing shot of Kandor, Discovery, and
the Titanic. Each of these things were pinnacle
disasters that ended up potentially saving other lives
and cultures. Kandor was a disaster when Braniac
shrunk it, but it ended up saving a piece of
Kryptonian culture. Discovery was a space shuttle
disaster, but it will probably end up saving lives by
creating new ways of space travel. Titanic sunk, but
it ended up making ship-board safety features a
standard in ship travel. Hell, he even has a mini-Sun
Eater, a thing that could potentially destroy the
universe, locked in his Fortress of Solitude.

Superman saves this hallmarks of disaster, that end up
eventually saving others. He brings Lois to this
place.

So we go throughout the fortress, and we realize that
he has the ability to talk to others throughout time,
his own progeny that carries on his legacy after him.
He even mentions that the one that can pick up his key
and open the lock will be one of his progeny, or
someone worthy to perform that task...acting almost
like Excalibur (which is, basically, metaphoric tale
of a boy reaching manhood by being able to unsheathe a
sword...a possible metaphor for sex).

Lois feels scared, she doesn't know what is going on.
There's a certain degree of fear she feels, especially
towards the "Forbidden Room" in the Fortress. This
part of the story is setup like Pandora's box, another
sexual metaphor, about a girl gaining knowledge by
opening a box and understanding knowledge and becoming
a woman. In the end, she finds a finally reveals to
her the hidden knowledge of the room.

He wants her to be compatible to him by changing her
costume and making her like him. There's a fetish
component along with a definite sexual component to
his request. Notice that he has charts of her body and
her body on the screens behind Superman. Lois is
afraid of what those screens mean, but when she gains
knowledge, when she realizes that there is nothing to
fear from the "Forbidden", we believe she allows
herself to be taken by Superman and remade.

The overall story seems to revolve around the metaphor
of middle age. The man in his prime is realizing that
he is closer to death, finds that he needs to create a
legacy.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:17 / 05.02.06
Ha ha ha ha ha!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:18 / 05.02.06
Best Superman Post EV4R!!!:A!
 
 
LDones
01:33 / 05.02.06
That's interesting.

ASS and The 12 Labours of Hercules as metaphors for middle age, coming out of the middle-age closet. I like that.

Super Middle-Life Crisis On Increasingly Finite Earth!

Morrison's on a roll at DC right now.
 
 
Triplets
11:37 / 05.02.06
The cover for #4. I don't think Jimmy's stolen a hit of exo-genes, looks more like Blue Kryptonite - lethal to Bizarros.
 
 
Triplets
13:27 / 05.02.06
And there's a panel of Superman in profile towards the end of the book that is just, I'd have to say, one of the finest single panels like ever. You'll know it when you see it.

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I Heart Quite Frankly
 
 
Pants Payroll
20:25 / 05.02.06
" The gases used to generate her superpowers creates paranoia and illusions. "

I dont think this is the case. The gases were just a byproduct of the chemicals being synthesized, which Lois should have been shielded from, had "robot 7" been doing his job. Supes hasnt actually given her the temporary powers yet. They're in the vial he's holding in the last panel on the second last page. Unless you're suggesting that the vial itself and next issues powers are/will be an hallucination.

As far as the Unknown Superman goes, I assumed the whole thing was simply Lois experiencing paranoia and illusions. The robots dont seem to react to this transmission from the future. Instead, they ask her if something is wrong. Probably because they walked into the room to find her talking to herself.
 
 
Pants Payroll
20:47 / 05.02.06
Also, as for the double page spread at the beginning, if thats Bizzarro why isnt his insignia backwards? His skin isnt discolored, either. I dont think it is. Looks like some kind of SuperCroMagnonMan.

Anyone else notice that the two-seater cockpit-in-a-bubble above the chessboard is the same as that slotted into the top of the head of the robot in front of the space shuttle?

The 500,000 ton key is a great idea to prevent break-ins. I hope Lois locks her bedroom window, too.

I cant remember if its been covered upthread, but I'm really enjoying the subtle costume changes. The shorter cape, the longer shorts (as opposed to speedos), the cape draping over his shoulders. Just great. Man, I wish this was monthly!
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:39 / 05.02.06
more or less, Pants. this version of the costume is a homage of sorts to Curt Swan's Silver Age look.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:36 / 06.02.06
oh, and Hector, thanks for the info. about the digitally pencilled page & the process.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:05 / 06.02.06
I Heart Quite Frankly

That's a beaut too, but I was thinking of the panel where Supes leads Lois into the back room, it's a fairly close look at the profile with Lois in the foreground. It's a stunner.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:39 / 06.02.06
yeah - luverly post above about middle age.

al gm's stuff just now is infused with his middle-agedness IMO.

just as all his stuff during 2000AD and Animal Man was al about youth and twenny sumthin fantasticness.

and his Invisibles-era shtuff was a template for that horrid meme around just now that targets early thirty summats: 'A hundred things to do before you die'.

can't wait till he's a true oldster: 80+
 
 
Triplets
14:13 / 06.02.06
That's a beaut too, but I was thinking of the panel where Supes leads Lois into the back room

I figured it was gonna be either that or the one above. Two fantastigreat panels in the space of two pages. The one you're on about it sli-i-ightly too squinty for me, though.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:41 / 06.02.06
>>>The cover for #4. I don't think Jimmy's stolen a hit of exo-genes, looks more like Blue Kryptonite - lethal to Bizarros. <<<

Sorry, is the cover for 4 up anywhere? This post looks like it should have a link attached.
 
 
krakaboom
19:23 / 06.02.06
check page 10 of this thread, cameron.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:40 / 06.02.06
Possible #4 cover

    Man, was no one else creeped out by Superman choosing to have dinner with Lois aboard the salvaged TITANIC?!?! Was that supposed to be romantic? Actually, I'm only assuming it was the Titanic but even if it wasn't, the menu WAS from that doomed ship. Cripes.


I found my self wondering if Superman had been around long enough to save the Titanic as well as the Space shuttle.

The Pioloted Sphere seems to look like a Legion of Superheroes Time Bubble.

Also curous about that 2 seater MECH. Has it seen print before?
 
 
CameronStewart
20:02 / 06.02.06
How the hell did I miss those??

Sorry for the idiocy.
 
 
Billuccho!
21:58 / 06.02.06
The bubble thing is probably the time-travelling Popemobile Go-Kart, as Superdickery calls it.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
02:28 / 12.02.06
He even mentions that the one that can pick up his key
and open the lock will be one of his progeny, or
someone worthy to perform that task...acting almost
like Excalibur (which is, basically, metaphoric tale
of a boy reaching manhood by being able to unsheathe a
sword...a possible metaphor for sex).


Yes, but isn't everything a metaphor for sex?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:01 / 12.02.06
No: sex is not a metaphor for sex.
 
 
LDones
07:06 / 12.02.06
Morrison mentioned that issue #4 of this is the Superman's Best Pal Jimmy Olsen issue - with cross-dressing Jimmy right from the get-go.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:54 / 12.02.06
It was an odd moment where we see the close-up of Lois' pursed lips, almost seeming in anger or condescension, where she thinks 'man, if he really is Clark, that means he's got some of Clark's bumbling insecurity within him...? that sucks, it bugs me to think of Superman having even a hint of that kind of lame imperfection in him.' I guess this is just showing Lois has the same pettiness that we all have somewhere inside us, that it's just human nature...?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:25 / 12.02.06
um, 'cross-dressing' Jimmy? Or are you referring to his cross-gartered argyle socks?

Morrison on #4:

>> "Jimmy Olsen vs. Superman, because Superman has gone bad,” said Morrison. How that happens is Jimmy becomes director of a covert agency called P.R.O.J.E.C.T. for a day as part of his reporting job, which happens to be the day Superman goes bad.

For fans of the days when Jimmy would turn into all sort of monsters, Jimmy will turn into Doomsday in the story. As to what Jimmy is holding on the cover, Morrison said it is an anti-Superman weapon, but Jimmy can’t figure out how to use it.
 
 
Optimistic
16:22 / 12.02.06
We'll get to see FQ draw Doomsday?!?
 
 
FinderWolf
01:24 / 13.02.06
only if you're appropriately optimistic.

yuk yuk yuk.

Anyway,

>> Morrison said Krypto will appear in All Star Superman #6 - the Superboy issue. The writer feels that Krypto should only appear in Superboy stories and not Superman stories, because it makes for great, "A boy and his dog" stories.
 
 
Triplets
17:06 / 13.02.06
Where's that from?
 
 
The Falcon
17:23 / 13.02.06
Hier ist.
 
  

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