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13:10 / 06.09.05

Now I feel like I have wasted years of my life believing some bullshit that has kept me sick and out of the political scene.

Barbelith warned me, and I got defensive, sorry about that, Bush that bastard.

I am so tired of his golfing ass. I am ashamed to say that yes, I voted bush.

I think that we should impeach him on principal. For being stupid, really, he cant even give a speech, I wonder who the power behind bush is.

Anyway,

Check out what I have to say about Katrina at my blog, www.benfoxdance.blogspot.com

13:15 / 06.09.05

One down, a hundred million to go. Well done for seeing the light dude, now tell everyone you know.

Petroleum Economy = Climate Change = Devastating Weather.

Get the Kyoto treaty back online, make him stop ignoring the rest of the world, etc.
As Haus once said, next week rocket science.

13:17 / 06.09.05

I am ashamed to say that yes, I voted bush.

Don't be. It gives you credibility when arguing with conservatives about why he's an awful president.

13:23 / 06.09.05

its a shame that one's credibility has to come at the cost of voting for someone who is a total fucktard, eh.
still.
silver lining and all that.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:16 / 06.09.05

It's good that we can still blogpimp at this difficult time.

15:08 / 06.09.05

well you wouldnt want the terrorists to win, would you?

Tryphena Absent

16:01 / 06.09.05

Slim shut the hell up, he should definitely be ashamed of voting for Bush. It was a totally stupid thing to do.

16:01 / 06.09.05

I am so tired of his golfing ass.

He plays golf?

autopilot disengaged

16:15 / 06.09.05

with his ass?

16:29 / 06.09.05

That bastard.

17:28 / 06.09.05

Don't be. It gives you credibility when arguing with conservatives about why he's an awful president.

Now is that really true? Or will the 'committed' conservative just accuse you of 'going soft', 'stabbing the President and our troops in the back' or engage in some other such attempt to deflect any criticism of their fiercely held beliefs and attack the credibility of whoever is voicing that criticism...?

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:07 / 06.09.05

I'll buy it. Slim's claim, that is. You know, "I was once like you..." sort of thing. Picture a haggard and smelly white-haired man dressed in rags with a look of horror and inpending doom standing on a rock addressing, in a raspy voice, a group of conservatives. "Turn baaaaaaack..." I'd pay attention, anyway.

Of course, some people won't listen to anything, even desert hermits with a crazy look in their eyes. They have to learn things the hard way. Good news is, once you learn something the hard way, it usually stays learnt.

Slim shut the hell up

Mmm. Eloquent. What finishing school did you say you went to?

If you guys are trying to win over conservatives, it might help if you didn't act like they were all retards or irresponsible jerk-offs. These are people. Reach out to them as such, and not in a "I told you so, dumbass" tone. I just think it'll work better, is all.

18:10 / 06.09.05

You're just losing the Faith in all directions since Steve got hitched, eh?

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

18:27 / 06.09.05

Didn't we all? Just a little bit?

18:29 / 06.09.05

I voted for Michael Badnarik.

But seriously, who the fuck gives a crap if someone voted for Bush or not? %It totally makes a REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE which rich, white guy you vote for. I mean, anyone who runs for President totally has your interests at heart. It's not as if every government, ever, didn't exist to perpetuate a system whereby some people lock up what resources we need to live (food) and make us dance for them in order to get it.%

18:46 / 06.09.05

oh, sure.
the patriarchal oligarchy keeps a-rolling on with republicans or demcorats.
but would you seriously claim there is no difference?

"I was once like you..."
sure.
and if you threw a drink in their face first you'd have their undivided attention.

come on, dude.
tell someone you were once like them and you sound like an evangelist preacher asking the unwashed if they are saved yet. its patronising and assumes a linear progression from one to the other relative to how much sense/knowledge/wisdom you have attained.

19:01 / 06.09.05

Ah.
*wrinkles omniscient brow*
I was once just like you, toksik, you little tyke.

19:03 / 06.09.05

You know, as someone who made spent £30 federal expressing my absentee ballot to the states to vote for Kerry, strangely, I have no sympathy for you.

19:05 / 06.09.05

Oh, but yes, you should have listened..

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

19:06 / 06.09.05

its patronising and assumes a linear progression from one to the other relative to how much sense/knowledge/wisdom you have attained.

Yeah, a little bit. What, that's not the general attitude around here?

Well done. You've managed, once again, to completely miss the point and shoot for aggressiveness instead. I would comment further, but I think Haus already did so in a recent thread (reminded me of Stewie from Family Guy, it did), and he's better at this sort of thing.

19:20 / 06.09.05

you suggested that saying you were once like someone would be a good way to get them to listen.
i said it wouldnt convince many people and told you why i felt that way.
i fail to see how that is completely missing the point.
wasnt your point that saying such would be a great way to get someone to listen to you?

i apologise if my tone has upset you, but i respectfully suggest that yor indignation is at least in part down to the fact that your suggestion was shot down.

Tryphena Absent

19:20 / 06.09.05

I'm not trying to win over conservatives. You can't change people's basic beliefs by talking to them on a message board and while I don't dislike people because they're conservatives (mostly) I do think that it takes a level of idiocy to vote for Bush and his administration who, in my eyes, are not particularly average conservatives but rather low end fascists.

Bush is basically a killer isn't he? We knew that before he became President the first time round and he has consistently proved that he wants to take rights away from the living and only protect people who are not actually conscious, in my eyes there's a level of threat there that was all too easily ignored by a large proportion of the American public. Did they expect to be protected, cushioned by this administration. The reaction to Katrina's aftermath was mind-boggling but completely consistent with this man's presidency. Why would I try to turn people who voted for someone who has consistently supported torture, capital punishment and the destruction of the planet or congratulate someone who elected a man who perpetrated those acts at the level of extreme authority but refused to notice that he was behaving with a level of ignorance (and arrogance) that is above and beyond any conception of decency? It's never too late to change your mind... oh, wait, yes it is when these things depended on an election that has passed. You need to think about these things before they permanently effect your home (ahem- Supreme Court). Bush's second term is going to effect people for years to come and it's down to people like Ender who didn't notice that they were electing someone who was not only a moron but an evil and ignorant man.

It shouldn't take a series of events this extreme to enlighten anyone to the fact that the man is bad. Even a conservative should be dubious about him.

19:23 / 06.09.05

but would you seriously claim there is no difference?

Nope, can't claim there is NO difference, but I'd definately say that, to my mind, the two major choices both looked equally unappealing.

Look at it this way: If Kerry was president, would you agree that just about the same percentage of the population would be complaining, just as frequently and vehemently, about the current governing body?

What we're having here is basically just a casual chat, so don't take this as an insult, but whenever I see people really, truly argueing Republican vs. Demcorat, I am reminded of the time I saw a Yankee fan get jacked by a couple Red Sox fans outside a bar here in town. (Baseball teams, for the 'unenlightened').

19:24 / 06.09.05

What, that's not the general attitude around here?

i dont think so.
if you do, kindly make your point with some evidence, perhaps in another thread.

Tryphena Absent

19:26 / 06.09.05

More concisely: I don't have the energy to be nice to someone who voted for someone who has always been a bastard and anyone who was too stupid to see that has no sympathy from me. It is right to berate yourself for failing to pay attention to something so important and frankly Ender I think you should feel guilty about what you have done to your country and its citizens for the rest of your life.

19:36 / 06.09.05

%It totally makes a REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE which rich, white guy you vote for.

Oh Gawwwwwd, not that crusty old nugget again.

Might I direct you to some pertinent Switchboard threads?

(The last link in particular might interest you. But it probably won't, will it?)

19:40 / 06.09.05

I think you should feel guilty about what you have done to your country and it's citizens for the rest of your life.

Nina makes me horny.

Couldn't you tell from the look on his hybrid weasel-chimp face that he was a nogoodnik? First time I saw the fucker on TV I thought: he reminds me of my dad. In that moment, my mind was made up.

19:52 / 06.09.05

Look at it this way: If Kerry was president, would you agree that just about the same percentage of the population would be complaining, just as frequently and vehemently, about the current governing body?

Oh there would have been plenty of Republican voters complaining, but there would be a smaller pile of bodies of dead, dying, suffering and poor, particularly if we had had a Gore Presidency. While I can see Gore possibly going into Afghanistan, there was no way he would have pushed for the invasion of Iraq on inaccurate claims of WMD.

And this is kind of what i think you have to comprehend Erasian - there is more to this than two groups of people arguing.

20:08 / 06.09.05

And this is kind of what i think you have to comprehend Erasian - there is more to this than two groups of people arguing.

Erasian's not here today, I'll field this one... that's an interesting thing to say to a guy who voted for the Libertarian party candidate.

And Venetian- let me try to explain my viewpoint slightly better. I have one major criteria for who I vote for and put my support behind:

Does this person seem to think that they know the correct way for everyone to live?

If the answer is yes, then fuck them. I voted for the Libertarian party candidate because, a, he is a Libertarian and I trust my party to put up someone who believes in our basic tenets (people should have the liberty to do what they want if it doesn't impugn on other peoples liberties, if you don't like your neighbours fuck off to somewhere where you do like your neighbours, national governments are, by nature, inefficient, etc.) and b, because he convinced me that he is, in fact, a person who believes he knows the way he wants to live, and that everyone else should have the same right to decide that for himself.

For example, if Gore had been elected president with that jackass Leibermann as his vice, can you even fathom the amount of videogame censorship laws that'd probably be enacted at this point? Wasn't Gore's wife one of the people behind these stupid CD warning labels we have now? I am much more worried about censorship than I am about anti-abortion legislation or gay rights, being that I am a straight male.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

20:10 / 06.09.05

you suggested that saying you were once like someone would be a good way to get them to listen.
i said it wouldnt convince many people and told you why i felt that way.

Well, yes, but maybe you used some inflammatory language? Maybe a little sarcasm? Maybe when YOU see a dirty, smelly, crazed-look-in-the-eyes desert hermit giving warnings (the image I presented in a spirit of fun) you think he's being patronizing and insulting and liken him to an evangelical preacher. I wouldn't; I'd give him a lot more credit, but hell, that's just the way I am with the homeless insane. Maybe I'm crazy too.

Certainly I'm as guilty of using inflammatory language and sarcasm to start a more-often-than-not messy argument/discussion as anyone else, which means we've got something in common, so let's be friends.

i fail to see how that is completely missing the point.

See? My own use of inflammatory language.

I noted that some people will refuse any advice, even from someone who has "been there", so to speak, and will have to learn things the hard way. I didn't specifically say "they won't listen because they feel they are being patronized" but, y'know, I thought it was implicit. You basically restated this idea with some fun words thrown in and accused me of failing to realize this.

And re: evidence, just look at this thread. I would say that the idea of "Smart People Didn't Vote For Bush, Only Fools Did" (suggesting the linear progression you spoke of) is already present. Like a fat man in a small phone booth.

20:13 / 06.09.05

I guess it does beg the question - just what would President Bush have to do to lose the support among staunch Republicans?

20:18 / 06.09.05

I guess it does beg the question - just what would President Bush have to do to lose the support among staunch Republicans? Remember when he loosened immigration controls? If that wasn't enough, NOTHING is.

Tryphena Absent

20:27 / 06.09.05

I am much more worried about censorship than I am about anti-abortion legislation or gay rights, being that I am a straight male.

Lo and behold barbelith, the fundamental difference between libertarians and republicans, about the same size as a strand of human hair.

Tom Paine's Bones

20:46 / 06.09.05

I guess it does beg the question - just what would President Bush have to do to lose the support among staunch Republicans?

Considering the fact that the vast majority of Democrats voted both for the Patriot Act and to give Bush authorisation to carry out the Iraq War, the same could be asked of Kerry supporters.

20:52 / 06.09.05

one major criteria

one criterion, two criteria

Videogame censorship? That's what you prioritise?

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