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7 Soldiers: The Bulleteer

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:57 / 20.03.06
Naming. He was named by his deeds. Lancelot was given mythic importance. Alix is continually correcting people on her name - Bulleteer over Bullet-Girl. The assumption of other names or titles?
 
 
Aertho
17:05 / 20.03.06
Can we get a Venn Diagram in here?

costume, chosen name, extra-identity gimmick, benevolent intention...

Looks like Papers is campaigning for Lancelot, and I'm for Lee Travis. Any other viable candidates?
 
 
Mario
17:22 / 20.03.06
My gut instinct was Immortal/Ressurection Man, although I'm not too sure about it, now.
 
 
Aertho
17:28 / 20.03.06
Oh yeah! I knew there was another... I like your idea too, but I'm sold on Travis. Too many 7 Soldier connections in Bulleteer's mini alone add up to that one. Plus the JLA initiation of Aztek, so GM knows about Crimson Avenger.
 
 
This Sunday
17:32 / 20.03.06
Well, 'Bullet-Girl'... 'Bulleteer' is much more reliable, y'know? She's not a girl by necessity (though Alix would've had to have been one at some point, reasonably), and she isn't a lesser-powered, I-can't-fight-with-a-run-in-my-stocking, one notch below the boys and twelve behind the men, superfemme knockoff of the major hero. And, on several levels, most of them programmed into the read via some giant history of superhero comics, others purely and more broadly social in an anglophonic big world way, but still, that's the read most people would get from a 'Bullet-Girl'.
Bulleteer is a name that has to live, die, and operate on its own. And so, she does.
I hope she does; haven't read the last issue, yet.
 
 
Mario
17:48 / 20.03.06
I think Travis makes the most sense. I'm a little annoyed that I didn't think of him
 
 
The Falcon
18:00 / 20.03.06
Hey, Mario, I was expecting you to give a rundown on those creepy English supervillains Vitaman sells Sally to? Anyone?

Think Spring-Heeled Jack may be among them.
 
 
Mario
18:05 / 20.03.06
I'll check when I get home.
 
 
Aertho
18:15 / 20.03.06
Well, there was six of them. Plus Vitaman. So there's another one.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:03 / 20.03.06
One of them looked an awful lot like Salieri's special Mozart-Frightening costume from Amadeus.
 
 
Ganesh
19:17 / 20.03.06
Or perhaps a more Brit-centric Dick Turpinesque figure. I liked the Pearly Queen and the (Kray?) Twins.
 
 
The Falcon
20:17 / 20.03.06
Yeah, I got the twins. *looks at it* 'Zat a pearly queen? I don't really know what that means. Some auld bastard.

Like the Punch and Judy man; doesn't actually appear to be a Spring-Heel type there, unless it's the carnevale manny. Counting the twins separately & inc. VitaMan = 8, which might make more sense given the badness. Or maybe Sally's #8.

I do really hope she gets a shot at redemption, honestly. Just about turned into a puddle at Barnabus the Teddy Bear King's death, never mind what went on afterward. Poor girl.
 
 
Mario
21:18 / 20.03.06
Sorry, Duncan. I have no idea who they are. Almost certainly not DCU characters, tho.
 
 
Ganesh
21:47 / 20.03.06
Pearly Kings and Queens = old Lahndahn cockernee tradition (old people with buttons). Summat to do with market trading, I think. I'm sure they're on Wikipedia.
 
 
Ganesh
21:52 / 20.03.06
Barnabas reminded me of a fuzzy felt version of The Snowman.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:19 / 31.03.06
With this and Frankenstein, which I also saved up for today, I've been wondering whether I'm expecting too much from Seven Soldiers. I enjoyed both while I was reading them, as a kind of candy hit, but they really don't integrate much into an overall story arc, do they? They're great in terms of adopting a different tone for each book, and rounding out new, intriguing, appealing characters (and secondary casts), and exploring different styles (gothic sci-fi, superhero porn) but they don't add up to a chapter in Seven Soldiers Vs Sheeda, in the same way as a chapter of 8C advances that narrative, or even a chapter in One Million worked as part of a larger story.

These feel more like trial runs for ongoing characters, mini-shots (they do feel like shots, in the down-in-one, little glass of buzz, alcoholic sense... in a good way) and experimental showcases, than tiles in a grand design.

Maybe this is a more general issue, that should even dare its own thread?
 
 
Aertho
18:32 / 31.03.06
General in what way? Flesh out more of what you're thinking.

As far as the implication that MM, B, and Frank aren't as integrated... I figure it's that these three are more subtly integrated. And not even -cuz Frank's fighting Sheeda forces in two of his three thus far, and Bulleteer's spun tightly around issue zero. Miracle is, I'm sure, the most separate... but keep going Miss W.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:01 / 31.03.06
General in what way? Flesh out more of what you're thinking.

General because I also felt it about Mister Miracle #4... like, oh is that it, it's over and there was maybe one off-hand reference to the Sheeda? I expected Seven Soldiers to be a quite tightly interlocking series where characters maybe appear in each others' stories (as would happen in a conventional crossover) or at least (which seems the basic minimum) all involve the title character engaging with the Sheeda on their own front.

The proposal and premise for 7S was all about the Sheeda as a plague enemy that had ravaged human civilisation since ancient Egypt -- the Archons, the Lloigor, the Schiriron, an ultimate threat with the capacity and malice to wipe us out as a species. You would think this might touch on the life of even a second-string superhero. You would think that over four issues, this threat might be hinted at.

I realise that the trials and struggles undertaken by Mister Miracle, Alix Harrower and Frankenstein have connections to the overall plot -- sometimes links that require detection, but they're rarely totally detached from the rest of 7S.

But having read 3 issue #4s in a week, I find myself a little disappointed that they didn't click into a greater sense of narrative clockwork... that they didn't conclude with a satisfying fit into the larger story. That each of them ends with a promise that the title character will battle the Sheeda, but barely any of them know the Sheeda spineriders from Adam Ant.

Maybe I'm just fearful (not too strong a word maybe, after buying 16 issues of first-wave, 11 of second, and one double-size special) that Seven Soldiers 2 can't pull it off, can't wrap it up and give a satisfying end to this story, given that the second-wave mini-series have had such little connection with the big battle.

I really want to finish 7S with a feeling of wonderous satisfaction, that Morrison performed the conjuring trick and tied the strands within a final issue. I just worry that he hasn't left himself enough ribbon.
 
 
Aertho
19:12 / 31.03.06
Hmmm... well consider Guardian. The only Sheeda there were in flashback, and then en masse at the very very end, as Jake went out to take it to the streets. Talk about wanting/needing more.

But I understand what you mean. I still have hope though.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:18 / 31.03.06
Yeah, Guardian seemed to tie in more with the big story, but perhaps that's just because my lasting memory of it is of episode #4. Bulleteer had some rewarding connections with 7S #0, but that was all in episode #3 as I remember, so less sense of payoff for me.

What do you think Cassandra; could this sustain a larger 7S "waiting for the second bookend" thread, or should it stay on Bulleteer? It's not just about this one title.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:24 / 31.03.06
Actually there is a general Seven Soldiers thread for this kind of discussion, isn't there...
 
 
Aertho
19:29 / 31.03.06
Yup, see you there.
 
 
This Sunday
00:46 / 09.04.06
Anyone know enough about Femforce's Blue Bulleteer that they could comment on whether Morrison was channeling her in more than just (half the) name and (half the) T&A ambience? I'd entirely forgotten she even existed, but well, there aren't a whole lot of Bulleteers and this comic and it's tendency to, whadddayacallit headlight shots, suddenly brought me right back round to Alix. Who's going to die 'cause she's more together, more reasonable and kind, than all the other Soldier-potentials... and she's a bit indecisive, yes.
 
 
Mario
12:49 / 09.04.06
From the quick Googling I did, Blue Bulleteer looks like more of a Phantom Lady/Bette Page type. Alix has MUCH more in common with Bulletgirl.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
02:19 / 10.04.06
anyone here ever watched PORN VALLEY? it's a "reality" mini-doc that follows some of the Vivid girls around their private and working life [don't know which channel it's on in the upper hemisphere]. this issue reminded so much of it.

an over the edge drugged-up abused veteran "taking" an unwilling debutante, including not only gun-bukakke, but also refrigerated cumm all over their butts [Sally Sonic getting out of the fridge].

I liked it as a whole - I see most of the 7S minis as a origin pieces - but not as fulfilling as a Sheeda plot connection. which goes well with Alix's [un]role in this, but you know, there's something missing. but still more fulfilling as MM...

waited for my reading of this last issue before checking this thread again and I saw you guys talking about the Marvel family. sometime ago Morrison was mentioning having some ideas for Captain Marvel Jr... was he supposed to have been one of the players here? [instead of some of the ones we've seen?] the original Bulletman and Bulletwoman had appearances in old Captain Marvel stories, and I've read Klarion was chosen to replace Demon [as DC had already stuff planned for him]...

I'm with whomever said Alix descends from Lancelot or Arthur, or something/body else from Camelot. and she doesn't need to descend from the first superhero herself. I mean, what if her smartskin is made from Excalibur's blade and that's her heritage? almost sure she'll - as the adult she is - be finally thrown in 7S #1 to install a new period of Fantastic Realism that's missing so much in current comics...

and as I still suppose Glorianna, her husband and all the Sheeda descend from Chop Suzy and Captain 7's twisted offspring, when will be the proper timeframe that Alix gets into action: or future, Camelot, the Nowhere Street Kid's decade or sometime else?
 
 
Mark Parsons
02:25 / 10.04.06
Have a little faith, folks. MM's significance will become apparent in 7S1. All the threads will be if not wrapped up, then tied together. I predict that 7S1 will blow the doors of their hinges.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
02:44 / 10.04.06
Gun-bukkake? That's either the best or worst new genre of the 21st century. I'll start a thread in the Armory forum.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
09:46 / 10.04.06
furioso, I also think it will, loved the overall [meta]concept of MM. the mini itself for me would have been far much more better if, say, #2 and #3 - or #1 and #2 - were only one issue, for pacing reasons, as I think the plot kind of repeated itself in those issues. it would leave room for at least some pages os Shilo "waking up" to a new Sheeda-threatened reality...

Phex, for more gun-bukakke check #1 and the cover for #3. =)
 
 
Mario
16:04 / 10.04.06
As I understand it, the CM Jr. plot is unconnected to Seven Soldiers.
 
 
Augury
14:37 / 12.04.06
On p.10 of #3, in the last panel - we can see a black spider on Alix's shoulder. Is it a tattoo or a spying device (being used by I, Spyder).

It's interesting because throughout the issue, and indeed a few panels before, it's not on her shoulders. Any thoughts?
 
 
Aertho
14:44 / 12.04.06
Yeah.

We talked about that already.
 
 
Augury
15:18 / 12.04.06
Thanks. I completely missed that, although i'm not completely convinced it was Thumbelina who planted it there.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:02 / 20.08.06

Birds Of Prey #100:
It’s time to bring in new blood! Who will be asked to join Oracle in her all-new Birds Of Prey? Who will refuse, and who will fly the coop for good? Plus, a backup story following Black Canary and her new role in the DCU!

It'd sure be nice to see Alix every month...
 
 
Mario
20:13 / 20.08.06
I think she'd fit in well in the book. If nothing else, the BoP share her relatively grounded mindset.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
20:48 / 20.08.06
jerry ordway goodness!

but hawkwoman is kinda weird...
 
  

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