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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

 
  

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Spatula Clarke
21:11 / 12.08.05
People possibly going to regret making Anthony the winner if the presenting career takes off. Back to being the same insufferably vain prick that he was the day he went in - right down to throwing the exact same poses for the cameras that resulted in him beinhg booed originally. Imagine that as a regular presence in the schedules and shiver.

Craig sourness odd. Contrast with Maxwell joy. Confrontation off-stage?

Orlaith's really quite ugly, isn't she? Makes the unimaginative Minga stuff seem even more like blind herd mentality - Kinga significantly prettier.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:14 / 12.08.05
Xoc said 'what about Adele', but Adele, not being in the final three, was interviewed inside the studio, surrounded by cheering friends and family (if not her same-sex partner). Makosi was interviewed outside, and the heckling crowd got increasingly ugly. Nasty. Deserved, I think, but nasty.

Who was in the final four last year? I'm sure I remember both the fourth and third finishers being given the option of having their interview in the studio, away from the baying mob, and one of them taking it.

Fucking shocking, Makosi's evition, in terms of the crowd response and Davina's line of questioning - that was what Craig deserved, and more.
 
 
Ganesh
21:17 / 12.08.05
Craig sourness odd. Contrast with Maxwell joy. Confrontation off-stage?

I wondered whether Craig had expected Anthony to run across and hug him or summat, instead of glad-handing every "fit bird" in the crowd. He also (unimaginatively) said he'd use the money to have a "huuuge holiday" instead of "I'd buy a big house where me and Craig could live". Monopolising Anthony was easy enough in the restricted confines of the Big Brother House; competing with the distractions of the outside world is, even for a specialist gardener, an uphill task.
 
 
Ganesh
21:20 / 12.08.05
Davina's line of questioning

This year, only Maxwell and Makosi have had anything approaching an uncomfortable interview. Made me wonder whether Davina's line of questioning is partly guided by crowd response. During Makosi's booing, Davina actually looked quite scared at times, like she'd misjudged the level of hatred in the audience.
 
 
Shrug
21:31 / 12.08.05
And Dupre: I'm not sure I get either the Orlaith=Hideous or the Kinga Minga thing really.

I was completely gladdened by Makosi's lack of repentance in her interview and in general I have alot of respect for any person who can deal with a screaming crowd like that seem cowed at all.
Especially when I put it into a context of what I would do i.e. shake like a leaf and or run off stage to be violently ill with fear.

I think Becki Sedaki from BB5 experienced a similarily horrific mob. She dealt with it extremely graciously I think.
 
 
Shrug
21:40 / 12.08.05
EDIT: And not seem cowed.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:45 / 12.08.05
Made me wonder whether Davina's line of questioning is partly guided by crowd response.

Two sets of questions? One marked "cheers" one marked "boos"? Yeah, maybe. It doesn't really explain Craig's eviction, though - that whole thing had to be a bit of a set-up (an honest chorus of cheers for somebody who's only managed to rack up 4.7% of the vote? I don't think so), so why didn't she give him anything approaching a difficult question (admittedly, she *did* quickly bring up the smothering on Wednesday, but it was in a fairly jokey tone and was dropped almost as quickly), seeing as the positive audience would act as a cushion against a harder line of interrogation?

Thinking that there's a heavy element of having to make the show look as entertaining as they can, what with the generally bad press this year and falling audience figures (although it's not really done a huge amount worse, relatively speaking, than the previous couple). The Makosi interview almost felt like an attempt to redress the balance - too many empty, pointless interviews, let's make up for it with one really nasty one.

Just remembered Davina's weird mother-of-pearl suit. Entertainment in itself.
 
 
Warewullf
21:52 / 12.08.05
Anthony winning - what a disappointment. Didn't deserve it for his willing participation in Team Maskia's racism if nothing else.

Looking forward to Eugene's inevitable appearance on "Brainiac: Science Abuse."
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:53 / 12.08.05
And Dupre: I'm not sure I get either the Orlaith=Hideous or the Kinga Minga thing really.

Well, it's all personal taste, isn't it. Personally, though, I think Orlaith looks a bit like a dead thing. A pickled dead thing. Skin stretched right back against the bones of her face, withered nose, but mostly the uncomfortable thousand yard stare of the drugged porn star. Like she was created purely to do a couple of FHM spreads before disappearing off the face of the planet. Mission accomplished.

The Kinga jibes were always just sheer bloody laziness. It rhymes! She's a bit chubby! Do you see what we did there? Genius!
 
 
Ganesh
22:06 / 12.08.05
It doesn't really explain Craig's eviction, though - that whole thing had to be a bit of a set-up (an honest chorus of cheers for somebody who's only managed to rack up 4.7% of the vote? I don't think so)

Yeah, I don't entirely understand why he got more cheers than Makosi (other than being male). His interview was inside the studio, though, so he had plenty of friends and family around - while Makosi was interviewed outside, perilously near the madding crowd. I do wish Davina had given Craig even half the grilling she gave Makosi - and, since she's hardly Paxman, we're talking extremely mild grillings.
 
 
Ganesh
22:08 / 12.08.05
Just remembered Davina's weird mother-of-pearl suit.

Kinda anti-slimming, wasn't it?
 
 
Smoothly
22:30 / 12.08.05
Clearly the live audience are not indicative of the majority of voters. If I'd just watched the interviews without knowing the placings, I'd have said Eugene first by a country mile, Anthony a solid second, and Makosi as an unscheduled early first eviction by popular demand. There is no way I'd have believed you if you said she was *second runner up*. I was genuinely shocked, Davina was properly thrown by the shouts of 'Off! Off!'. It looked like she was glancing round for a floor manager making the throat slitting gesture.

I was gutted to hear Anthony's name called - the bubbly literally seemed to go flat in my hand. But by the end it felt like a result. If I were one of the agents or editors studying the final with phone in hand, it'd be Eugene's people I'd have on redial. Text book exit interview and Davina's disappointment seemed palpable. He walks away with the same amount of money as Anthony and I predict that he'll be the only one waking up tomorrow without a dreadful sinking feeling.

Cheers!
 
 
Ganesh
22:36 / 12.08.05
I was gutted to hear Anthony's name called - the bubbly literally seemed to go flat in my hand.

We had it on ice during Makosi's interview (I was tempted to open it until the booing put me off), then charged our glasses for the final announcement. Like you, I felt the champagne sensed the dip, the anticlimax, even before Davina's ho-hum identikit interview with a rejigged Craig-from-BB1 EveryDumbBloke.
 
 
tea and biscuits
22:37 / 12.08.05
So Makosi is highly uncomfortable, demoralised and (looks) shellshocked and amidst a background of general booing and "OFF OFF OFF/LIAR LIAR LIAR" Davina goes and twists the knife some more?

Treat the contestants however you want, but if you're going to demonise one of the housemates then make it a little less obvious please. Or just subject Craig to the same levels of hate and disgust while he's trying to answer questions.

Bloody hell, I feel dirty.
 
 
Ganesh
22:46 / 12.08.05
So Makosi is highly uncomfortable, demoralised and (looks) shellshocked and amidst a background of general booing and "OFF OFF OFF/LIAR LIAR LIAR" Davina goes and twists the knife some more?

That's what made me wonder to what extent Davina's able to vary her questioning - and whether she varies it according to audience response. The only other interview which came close in terms of 'mmm, this is uncomfortable' was Maxwell's. When she succumbed to the line-of-least-resistance 'Craig, you're sooo entertaining' schtick, I felt positively cheated.

Having said which, I think Makosi was exceptional in terms of earning mass disapproval. I think her apparently gratuitous lies were, like Nasty Nick's, of sufficient magnitude to turn people against her - and she just went on lying. I'm not sure there was much demonising going on there, but I do wish Craig had been subjected to the same level of smack-in-the-face opprobrium, from the crowd and/or Davina. He deserved it more or less as much as she did.
 
 
Smoothly
23:35 / 12.08.05
Although tonight he looked like a man who'd been through the mill over the last few days. So maybe he's on a course of Opprobrium SR.
I missed his eviction and only watched a tape of it after this. The excited child who left on Wednesday seemed only distantly related to the creature who returned tonight. A friend of ours was (before I knew her) pursued/stalked by a man now only ever referred to as 'Evil Bystander'. That moniker was always enough to conjure a vivid image. Craig's face on tonight's show was that image.
 
 
Strange Machine Vs The Virus with Shoes
02:00 / 13.08.05
The fact that I like Makosi, further entrenched my hatred of the “Great British Public”. But I feel that the: “public", are not the working class guys and gals who watch the shows, but the same middle class ya-hoo’s that attend BB eviction nights. I think that the working class vote went to Makosi, a person devoid of the soden work ethic,
 
 
Ganesh
07:36 / 13.08.05
I think that's bollocks. Makosi did so much to piss people off that Makosi-hate cut across class barriers. IMHO, naturellement.

I know whatchamean about Craig, Smoothly, but I'm not sure whether the overexcited child thing was gone because he'd been "through the mill" or whether he looked older because he was wearing a garish suit. It'd be nice to imagine he's been on the receiving end of some pointy piss-taking (there were Craig = soul-sucking psychopath jokes on both Big Brother's Big Mouth and 8 Out Of 10 Cats last night; in the latter, Craig was voted Housemate You'd Least Like To Be Trapped In The Big Brother House With by a country mile). I'm not sure it'd ever be enough to save Selfawaria.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
08:53 / 13.08.05
Makosi, a person devoid of the soden work ethic

You ever work as a nurse, Citizen Finsbury? Particularly in a cardiac unit? Lots of sodding work ethic. Hard work, long hours and not the kind of money BB exposure will bring her.

There are lots of reasons to dislike Makosi and none of them to do with her class, which is apparently Zimbabwean aristocracy.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:59 / 13.08.05
Missed the (from the sound of it richly deserved) Makosi interview last night, but in the light of what's been said here, and the, again entirely justified, grilling that Maxwell had on his way out the house, why did Craig get off so relatively lightly? While Maxwell and Makosi both pretty clearly behaved despicably, 'vomitgate' is possibly something I'm going to take to my grave, and was also a potentially life-threatening situation for the cheeky chap from up North - if he'd choked on his own puke, like, he'd've been buggered, like, and without his consent, a fate it appeared he only escaped fairly narrowly in any case.

Craig should have been thrown to the wolves, basically - I'll admit to being a bit confused as to why he wasn't. Any thoughts?
 
 
tea and biscuits
09:37 / 13.08.05
The most common theory is that Endemol wanted to take the heat off their lack of action over Craig's harrassment so they treated him as a joke and pointed all negative feelings towards Makosi.

Couple that with a section of racist audience (those in the crowd have reported that racist slurs were indeed hurled at Makosi and also at the other black HMs), Makosi's iffy behaviour, the general dislike of female HMs and Davina's personal feelings meant that Makosi was treated in a terribly harsh way.

I wouldn't put all the blame on Endemol but when Becki was booed by the crowd last year they moved the interview inside. Maxwell encouraging the crowd and Davina's lack of discouragment only served to excite people. I don't think it was their purpose for things to become so vicious and Makosi's seeming "lack of remorse" (unsurprisingly due to her being attacked from every side) only added to uncomfortable situation.

Throughout the show Edemol has shown a reluctance to acknowledge the "Craig 4 Anthony" situation. After a few weeks of it the official site news reporters got a little cheeky but it seemed that it was only officially commented on when it would have been disengenous not to mention it. They had such trouble even mentioning a gay attraction on the show, talking about gay abuse (especially when BB could be seen at fault) or bringing it up as a serious issue was avoided at all costs.

Of course, gay abuse is one thing but a girl enjoying her sexuality? (Yes, yes there was also the lying and scheming and general weirdness.) Unacceptable.

Now, let us all sit and wait for Genesh to tell us the correct answer.
 
 
tea and biscuits
09:39 / 13.08.05
(*Ganesh, uh.)
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
10:38 / 13.08.05
I cerainly got the feeling that Davina willingly perpetutated the Girl having sex on Live TV show = filthy slut whore / Boy having sex on Live TV show = manly stud muffin, which was disapointing to say the least.

I really felt sorry for Makosi, who did an incredible job of keeping her concentration together and managing to answer in the face of a baying crowd of morons who were obviously fuelled by Craig, Max'mefeelun'well and Swastika's friends and family from the Hitler Youth. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that racist slurs were amongst the heckling, and thought the whole thing was really disturbing. I mean, it's a fucking gameshow, the object is to win, she was trying to win by being smart, it backfired. She claimed she might be pregnant, big deal. In the absence of clit-cam footage to prove penetration one way or the other, who's to know the truth of that,er, exchange?

Who fucking cares enough to scream abuse at the girl?
 
 
Tom Coates
11:59 / 13.08.05
The whole thing was very strange - but I think in part it's to do with how they reacted to the interview that changed how people reacted to them. Makosi literally kept pushing the audiences buttons - she refused to retreat, to laugh at herself, to show any humility even in widespread attack from the crowd. And the most she rejected the judgement of the crowd and of Davina, the more they hated her.

I increasingly think it's apparent humility that people reward in the Big Brother house in the UK. We don't like people who try and set themselves out as better than us. Even people who do (like Robbie Williams) have to take the piss out of it in order not to be hated. Take yourself too seriously and you're ripped down, unless you have an uncontestable talent. And even then...

That's why Eugene's such a perfect candidate, I think, and why his thing played so well. But even Craig, who was horrific during his time in the house, managed to be a bit humble when he came out. He got a relatively easy time from Davina, it's true, but then what do you expect - she can't actually acuse him of abuse on TV. Where does that end? Lawsuits? Getting the law involved? Not good. And when he's leaving the house, he kept himself together and solid, he came out relatively composed and even though he was clearly horrified by some of the stuff he saw on screen and the boos from the crowd he managed to grin and bear it, suffer the (deserved) humiliation and that helps the audience feel that he's seen at least some of the error of his ways and that he accepts their judgement. By the Friday, he's of course panicking that the stuff he did while drunk which seemed in the past in the house will now be shown to someone that he really cares about. His insides must be in knots dealing with that one. Again - deserved, but hey.

I think actually the person who came off worst from the interiew was Anthony. As people have said - the insufferable arrogant superior prick is back. He walks out and he's performing and he thinks it's all about how loved he is and how great he is and how much better he is than everyone, when the whole reason people voted for him was that they thought he was them - or someone they wouldn't be ashamed to be. And then with Eugene on screen he talks about how he wouldn't have acted in the same way and then starts to get stroppy with Davina and angry about how he's being represented. He's clearly not bright enough to react on the fly to challenging situations and just gets kind of cod-angry to compensate. Although that kind of works with one other person and it completely doesn't work with an audience of millions. No - I think Makosi has work and money in her future, Eugene too (presenting nerdy TV shows / Time Team? Geek stuff) but Anthony I'm not so sure about. He's dangerously ill-equipped to deal with fame, I think.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:28 / 13.08.05
I stopped caring after Craig was treated like a fabulous, lovable character, rather than the contemtuous little douche that he is. No-one actively spread more hatred in the house than him, yet it seems that Makosi got all the shit, when she was easily one of the more enjoyable contesatnts for a good deal of the show.
Antnee = who cares. Nightclub 'special appearances' await you. Congratulations (tiny) seventies dancer!
Thank Christ Eugene took that Fiddy Grand...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:30 / 13.08.05
Half-serious suggestion- Eugene should be the new presenter for Countdown.

(Actually, Tom, I did read in one of the tabs today that he was going to be asked to present Brainiac...)
 
 
Triplets
21:09 / 13.08.05
I reckon they gave Eugene filly grand to give the Tanned Everybloke a clearer shot of winning. Endemol can't be bucking any demographic trends now, can they?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
22:58 / 13.08.05
Fuck Antnee. Fuck the everyman.

(Whiskey speaks now...)
 
 
Mourne Kransky
01:34 / 14.08.05
On reasssuring thig is that I have't seen hide nor hair of Nadia, Cameron nor Kate Lawlor since they won their respective BBs and hopefully it will be the same story with Antnee. Unless I'm reading Unthreatening Males over Lisa Simpson's shoulder.

I hope to see Craig appearing in Whiskas sachets some time soon. I suspect the cats would turn up their noses too, tho.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
01:35 / 14.08.05
That should read

one reassuring thing\

obviously. Pissed in charge of a keyboard again.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:47 / 14.08.05
'I can see I'm going to have to teach this girl some humility'

Yes. Well they come over here and they eat our women and they sleep with our food, and as a C4 presenter and Eric Clapton's ex-girlfriend, it's up to you to do something about it, isn't it, tiny dancer?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:29 / 14.08.05
Sorry, who said that? Was it about Makosi? Can I nailgun them in the head?
 
 
Fist Fun
12:20 / 14.08.05
Why was everyone all hating on Makosi? I think she is lovely. I love her huge ego.

I missed a couple of weeks of this years BB because I was overseas. What did she do so wrong?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
14:26 / 14.08.05
On reasssuring thig is that I have't seen hide nor hair of .... Kate Lawlor since they won their respective BBs

Celebrity Wrestling? What a wonderful future Anthnee has ahead of him!
 
 
Shrug
16:44 / 14.08.05
Although I'm not sure that the vicious mob was entirely justified but I think Makosi provided by far the most interesting interview for BB6.
Best bit:
Davina:Have you made any real friends?
Makosi:Maybe not, but I don't regret what I did.
(cut to Vanessa's dropped jaw)
Oh how I laughed.
 
  

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