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Serenity: The Firefly Movie (spoilers within)

 
  

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Mark Parsons
07:14 / 05.10.05
SF/F mag LOCUS has an online edition (bookmark is NOW!). Gary Westfahl writes a great review:

http://www.locusmag.com/2005/Features/10_Westfahl_Serenity.html


I loved this movie dearly and plan to see it again this week (a rarity with me).

Question/Poll:

is Serenity did not continue as a movie franchise OR a new TV series, would you rather see COMICS (mostly by Joss) or BOOKS (by cool Joss approved scribes) that move the story forward.

I'd have to vote for comics, even though I was not wild (hey i LIKED it) about the bridging mini-series.

(Sorry for the non-link link but for whatever reason I AM JUST TO DENSE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT ON THIS CHARMING SITE. See, I am angry at myself for being a techno-dunce. Anybody'd like to 'splain it to me, be my guest.)
 
 
Tamayyurt
10:42 / 05.10.05
is Serenity did not continue as a movie franchise OR a new TV series, would you rather see COMICS (mostly by Joss) or BOOKS (by cool Joss approved scribes) that move the story forward.

I'd say neither. I know I probably wouldn't follow up on them. Part of the fun is hearing these actors says their lines. Since most of the actors already do voice work for the fantastic Justice League cartoon, I'd much rather see a direct-to-video animated movie written by Joss and put together by Bruce Timm. That would be awesome!
 
 
Mark Parsons
16:55 / 05.10.05
Oooh, Video. Didn't think of that one!

Point: you can hear the voices in yr head via reading, no?

Like many fans, I'm wildly curious as to what might happen next. What's the Alliance's power sturucture like? How do the "US" and "China" ruling factions interact, and what happens if they schism? Which side would anti-unionistas take? And surely, some of the reavers must be non-bezerkers, or else how would they fly, fix, plan, etc? What would a slightly more rational Reaver Warlord be like? Could he/she be trusted as an ally in a new civil war?

And who fixed my non-link? Thankx, oh unknown benefactor-moderator.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
17:15 / 05.10.05
I have to agree that the truly berzerker Reavers must've died out and only the slightly more rational remained and formed a brutal sort of society (possibly like the pirates of old). How long ago did the Miranda disaster take place? Can the PAX effect be inherited? Was it still in the atmosphere at the time Serenity landed?

Personally, I was not able to get into the series as well as I was the movie so if this is all there is, I'd be satisfied with it, but, obviously, it has as much potential for future adventures and spin-offs as either Star Trek or Star Wars. Whedon and Universal both should continue to develop it.
 
 
X-Himy
20:02 / 05.10.05
I think in the movie they make reference to the Reavers showing up fifteen years ago. As to how they operate and don't simply tear each other up, I would have to say that is just one of the rules of the game. Though my friend pointed out that the substance that Kaylee was shot with at the end was probably some of the Pax, which is one way in which they replicate.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:59 / 06.10.05
I thought Kaylee was shot with tranq darts - seemed like typical Reaver stuff since they like to play with their prey and not immediately ice 'em.
 
 
h1ppychick
19:29 / 06.10.05
I bunked off work to go and see Serenity this afternoon in what was officially a preview showing even though it's out nationwide tomorrow. I arrived about ten minutes before the advertised time and walked into an auditorium that was in dead silence (no piped muzak here) and populated by around 15-20 similar fanboys who'd presumably had the same impulse. We were joined by more whilst the silent wait continued and when the film kicked off there were probably about 40 of us in a relatively small multiplex screen.

On the whole - I loved it. It's true that a few things jarred: Simon knew too much, Serenity didn't look the same, River is suddenly a ninja goddess capable of despatching an entire clan of Reavers single-handedly, Shepherd Book was a bit of an afterthought, Mal's character seemed harder and more bitter than in the series. But these are minor quibbles and shouldn't detract from what I thought was an excellent film which outshone most of the summer blockbusters.

Here's hoping for a sequel or a TV series. For those of you worried about the fact that maybe the movie will only appeal to the existing fanbase and won't make the box office required to sustain studio interest, I'm hoping that my own experience will be mirrored elsewhere - a surprisingly wide cross-section of my friends and colleagues, none of whom have seen the series or even knew of its existence or are particularly into this genre, have mentioned Serenity as something they will probably go and see, without prompting by me. Maybe the trailers and posters are generating more wide-spread interest than we, more vested fans, are anticipating.

I'm already planning a return visit with my friends. We'll keep the fact that I've already seen it between us.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:02 / 07.10.05
I've seen one episode of Buffy: that is my knowledge of Joss Whedon. I went to see this film today based on a review that said there was a character who looked like Han Solo in ESB, but would have shot Greedo in cold blood without a qualm. I knew nothing about the space western concept or the original Firefly.

This film kicked ass for me. It does with the Star Wars of 28 years ago what Lucas did with the WW2 films, Westerns and Saturday morning pictures of the 28 years before that: distills it, condenses it, cooks it up, remixes it with other goods (I would say Matrix, Iain M Banks, King's Dark Tower series) and sticks it back to you.

As a total newcomer, the extended where-are-we false-starts, with backstory interrupted by dream sequences and escapes freeze-frozen as holograms, carried no sense of impatience for me, as I didn't know the remaining cast we had yet to meet -- it felt like the history lessons at the start of new chapters in the Ballad of Halo Jones, an elegant way of bringing the viewer up to date.

Very much dug the chemistry between the characters, the raw, slapped-together feel of the hardware and the lived-in sense of space, with the dinosaur models, the faded t-shirts. The Western spin became gradually apparent for me, but it was subtle -- some twang in the accents, and moments where you could hardly understand the homegrown slang -- and the strummy guitar soundtrack alongside shots of "boats" in deep space was entirely original and fresh.

I would go see a trilogy of Serenity movies. Damn I was almost thinking I'd buy action figures of those guys.
 
 
e-n
12:53 / 08.10.05
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Damn you Joss Whedon I shall get you with a reaver-spike...right in the chest!!!


How could you do this to me! The film was great but you killed people!!!
Surely a maiming earth or severe beating would have done.

I really don't know if I could sit through a trilogy of serenity movies now after that.
In fact I won't , feck the browncoats let the Alliance start here!
Togehter we can stop joss making any more movies and killing any more crew members!!

I prefered the reavers in the TV show as well.They looked a bit like mutated freaks in the movie and I thought it was more effective when they had clearly mutiliated themselves whcihc didn't really come across in the films.
Still, better go see it again now.
 
 
sleazenation
13:35 / 08.10.05
Err - I didn't think we ever actually saw the reavers in the tv series...
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
15:20 / 08.10.05
We sort of saw a reaver in the show- it was a guy whose ship got attacked, who the reavers forced to watch everything. He mutilated his face because he couldn't handle it. Much more low-key than the reavers in the movie, but then he'd only been at it for an hour or two.

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While I love Wash as a character- the episode where he and Mal run afoul of Niska is one of my favorites- and I didn't enjoy the fact that he died, I have lots of respect for filmmakers killing off major characters. Plus it was well-timed, coming as it did during the collective sigh-of-relief at the end of a hugely chaotic and stressful scene. I liked its abruptness, and the fact that immediately afterwards the crew is plunged into a nearly hopeless situation. From Wash's death onward, I had a very real feeling that all bets were off and nobody was safe, even as I realized that Whedon probably wasn't going to kill off any more major characters if he ever wanted to make a sequel. That feeling of danger was enough that when River went off to do her thing, I had a pretty intense feeling that she was actually going to her death. Again, even as the rational me was going 'no way.' It made for a pretty emotional climax, and I was nagged with worry for her until it cut back to her kicking ass, which made that scene all the more satisfying. (Though, when the blast doors finally opened again, I did get a funny image of River doing whatever it was she had to do to open them, then running back and striking her pose.) In any case, I thought that whole sequence after Wash died was extremely well done, especially on an emotional level. Corny speeches aside.

Lots of great moments in this too- the running gag with the grenades was funny, and I got an absolutely ear-splitting grin when I realized just how Mal planned to get past the Alliance blockade to Mr Universe's equipment. That first tracking shot through Serenity was fantastic as well.

Things did feel a little bit rushed- it seemed pretty obvious that the basic plot with River was something designed originally to play out over a long time, and didn't quite fit with the feel of the show– but for all that, I loved it.

Oh yeah- the guy who played the assassin (was he ever named? I don't think so)- he was excellent. Very good at playing the single-minded zealot, and his default expression was this really creepy almost-smile that was fucking unsettling.
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:08 / 08.10.05
I watched it on Friday night. Have to say that out of all of the crew members I genuinely didn't see Wash's death coming. I knew that a couple of them were going to die, but harmless passive funny-as-hell Wash? Harshness.

Absolutely loved it. I really did. Friends of mine who knew nothing about Firefly loved it too. Just the finest piece of sci-fi cinematography that's been made for the last decade. I'm gushing, but I really don't care. It was fantastic.

Book dying without us finding out about his obvious black-ops past was, IMO, a damn good move. He's a secondary character for people unfamilier to the 'Verse, and it leaves the Firefly fans with a cool little mystery that they can argue over.
 
 
invisible_al
22:30 / 08.10.05
I'll tell you the bit that had me mouth open, saying OMFG!, when the broke the ship. I was sad when Book died, so much of his story wasn't told and Wash's death was like a kick in the guts but to see Serenity a smashed about, engines gone, wreck, that shocked me.

I also liked the fact that Book knew exactly what the Operative was about and how to break him, faith. I'd stake money that Book was an Operative and he lost his faith, I like the symetry of the Operative going on the same journey that he did.

Kaylee and Simon getting it on finally W00T, she got some of the best lines, after Simon says he wish that they'd had sex she says somthing like 'I'll be dammed if I'm dying now' big woop from the audience where I saw it .

And bizarrely there was a lot less River ass kickage than I expected, because the two main scenes had been blown in the trailer, but I liked what was there.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:58 / 08.10.05
A naive question: I had the idea Serenity worked as a prequel to Firefly. But Wash is in Firefly, right? How does that pan out?
 
 
Spaniel
23:17 / 08.10.05
It's not a prequel. Oh, and you might be interested to know that the indecipherable slang is in fact chinese.

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miss wonderstarr
23:21 / 08.10.05
Does it follow on from Firefly, then? My impression was that River knew the others during Firefly, but that she met them for the first time during Serenity. I'm sorry for my ignorance here.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:42 / 08.10.05
No, River and Simon come on board in the first episode of the TV series - it's just that in the flashback/Alliance footage scene in which Simon rescues her in the film, the ship that comes to pick him up could be mistaken for Serenity, giving the impression that the crew were involved in busting her out.

Loved this to pieces, anyway. Will come back and say more later, but I even got a bit teary-eyed at a few points. And the Reavers scare the shit out of me.
 
 
Spaniel
23:51 / 08.10.05
Loved this too, but was I the only one who thought The Operative's change of heart was a tad unbelievable?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:43 / 09.10.05
I think there's an element of resignation there that makes it more believable than it would be otherwise. It's not just "my better world is based on brainwashing and mass murder", there's also the knowledge that "everybody knows that my better world is based on brainwashing and mass murder, thus greatly reducing its likelihood of happening". Like he says, the damage is done, and there's no motive for him to harm the crew of Serenity any more: he never had anything against them, anyway. The Operative isn't into revenge. Well, he isn't into anything anymore: all he had was his faith and his mission, and now that's redundant. I wouldn't be surprised if he fell on his sword.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
01:25 / 09.10.05
Re teary-eyed-ness: amen to that. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
01:36 / 09.10.05
Universal's response to the opening-weekend performance:

"We are satisfied. The opening is where we thought it would be. The fan base turned out. We're hoping more will turn out in the future. I think over $10 million is a lot of business for a niche appeal picture, and I think the ancillary [DVD, etc.] will be spectacular."

Makes me hopeful for a sequel.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:04 / 09.10.05
Simon knew too much

What was it that you thought Simon knew that he shouldn't have? I think that the defining Simon Tam moment in this for me was "And am I talking to Miranda now?" and the vast sneer he got from River for even thinking such a thing -so since that stuck in my mind, I don't remember him having any other knowledge that he didn't have in the series.

Very much dug the chemistry between the characters

I'm interested in what people who'd not seen the entire series thought of the way the characters worked together -how well do you think the Mal / Zoe / Wash relationship played out in the movie? The way those three related to each other was one of my favourite things in the TV series: I liked the fact that Zoe's loyalties were divided between Mal and Wash, and that this was quite emphatically not because she was or ever had been in love with Mal.

The Reavers were suitably terrifying, I think I might actually have squeaked with terror during one of River's dream sequences but quietly enough that no-one heard. More later, maybe a few sentences discussion whether it's too fangirl to complain that they changed Mal's braces for the worse, but I enjoyed it a lot.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:41 / 09.10.05
Good scene with Zoe questioning Mal pushing the man off the mule as they fled from the Reavers. Mal seemed a little bit darker here than he was in Firefly.

Regarding the "Simon knew too much." question. In the show he didn't have any idea why the Alliance did what they did to River. Telepathic assassins are only mentioned in the final episode and River only demonstrates mad combat skillz once when she zen shoots a load of badguys.

I'm happy to retcon that so that he was all too aware of what had happened to her, but didn't trust Mal and co enough to come clean straight away. Given Mal's reaction when she goes all Weapon X in the bar he was probably quite wise.

Loved the Reaver ships. Presumably enough of their minds are left that they still understand tech and can even innovate otherwise they wouldn't be the threat they are. Perhaps that's why they ritually scar themselves, the pain helps them to focus past the insanity.

It's interesting that the Reavers don't seem interested in living on Miranda. Perhaps they view it as holy ground in some way, or maybe they just don't care anymore.
 
 
sleazenation
11:01 / 09.10.05
It was a fast and involving ride, but there wasn't enough of Wash and Zoe together - as was pointed out to me, long-term relationships tend to end in death or some similar horrible fate in trhe world o' Whedon.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
11:51 / 09.10.05

I'm interested in what people who'd not seen the entire series thought of the way the characters worked together -how well do you think the Mal / Zoe / Wash relationship played out in the movie? The way those three related to each other was one of my favourite things in the TV series: I liked the fact that Zoe's loyalties were divided between Mal and Wash, and that this was quite emphatically not because she was or ever had been in love with Mal.


My impression, as someone with no prior knowledge, was that Zoe and Wash were married, or had some similar long-term, deep-felt commitment, whereas Zoe's relationship to Mal was friendly with a tendency to fall back on ultra-professional formality -- in fact, that retreating to this familiar, hierarchical structure where he's the captain, she calls him sir, he gives the orders and she has duties to follow, was what gave her the necessary focus to get over Wash's death. I felt that she enjoyed and needed the sense of a structure, a chain of command, but that her formal exchanges with Mal were sometimes a performance of that hierarchy -- nobody else defered to him as sir, nobody else was so rigidly disciplined about doing duty and following orders. Some people like to know where they stand and what their obligations are. At the same time, there was an element of game-playing between them.

I seem to have rambled a bit.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
12:10 / 09.10.05
That's interesting, because Mal and Zoe know each other because they fought in the war together; I had always thought that she called him 'sir' because he'd been her superior then and the habit had stuck. It's very much about the familiarity of the heirarchy, but in, I think, an even more formal sense than you'd assumed (she used to have to call him 'sir'). I'd always liked the fact that these two characters had an immense respect for each other, which I think comes across in the game-playing you mentioned, but (as I said upthread) there's no real sexual tension.

It's interesting that the Reavers don't seem interested in living on Miranda.

I'd thought that was because there was no-one left to rape and kill -that to continue living on a planet with no-one else around would mean, for them, the same as stopping fighting.
 
 
sleazenation
12:30 / 09.10.05
Which does kind of beg the question - Why hasn't anyone noticed the glaringly obvious fact that the Reavers are clustered around one particular world before now? It is a question that is sort of voiced in the film, but not particularly well explored...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:33 / 09.10.05
Just remembered the one thing missing from the film - it's not a complaint as such, since the film definitely felt 'full' enough, and it's not like the Serenity crew needed any more terrifying people trying to fuck them up - but what about the "hands of blue" creepy guys from Blue Sun? It occurs to me that perhaps they and the Operative would be after River for entirely different reasons: in the scene where Simon rescues River, the guy in charge of the experiment says that it has government support - ie, it's not a government project in and of itself, it's a private/corporate (Blue Sun) project. So the Alliance government want River back or dead because of what she knows - Miranda and possibly even more - whereas the blue-gloved men want her back because she's their experiment. That's the best explanation, IMHO, because the Blue Sun blue gloves are far scarier and deadlier than the Operative - they don't need to beat, stab or shoot people to kill them - and they can come after River in a sequel even if the Alliance parliament are preoccupied.
 
 
e-n
12:33 / 09.10.05
I was wondering how that would play for a non-firefly watcher , but kovacs you seem to have picjed up on basis of those relationships spot on.

I hope other audiences did too.
I tried, going in, to figure out what my friends would think of the movie but once I saw river in that chair, any semblance of objectivity went out the window.

And I totally agree with Mask De Vincennes, those bloody braces distracted me every scene they were in!!!
We know its the future, we don't need the unnecessary plastic lump additions to all the clothes, and Wash really needed his hawaian shirts back.
The braces looked totally uncomfortable.
 
 
sleazenation
12:37 / 09.10.05
Glad i wasn't the only one who missed the shirts...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:18 / 09.10.05
Just remembered the one thing missing from the film - it's not a complaint as such, since the film definitely felt 'full' enough, and it's not like the Serenity crew needed any more terrifying people trying to fuck them up - but what about the "hands of blue" creepy guys from Blue Sun?

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h1ppychick
14:00 / 09.10.05
Re the Simon knows too much thing or at least my interpretation of it: At the flashback beginning part the Alliance doctor explains what the project has done to River and why, all in front of River strapped to a chair with a laser in her forehead. Yet in the Firefly episode Ariel, Simon has to take River to the neuroimager in the Alliance hospital to try and work out what's been done to her, at vast risk, and only then seems to discover that they've been going into her head and burning her brain.

Perhaps it's his brain that was burned, instead.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:04 / 09.10.05
You can fanwank it and say that in 'Aerial' Simon was really just trying to find out how to undo what had been done to River, but that he told everyone else that he wanted to find out what had been done and why - because he didn't dare tell them how dangerous she might be. It's a fanwank - the truth is that the movie and the tv show don't match up 100% in continuity, partly because the movie has been written to stand on its own (I'm pretty sure the various numbers of years since things happened doesn't quite match up between the two, either) - but on the plus side, it's arguably a fanwank that makes Simon a more ambiguous character. The downside is that his action hero moment of busting River out himself works less well, for me, than the idea that he bribed other people to get her out for him, as was implied in the series - on the other hand, he looked fucking cool while doing it...
 
 
Jack Vincennes
17:51 / 09.10.05
We know its the future, we don't need the unnecessary plastic lump additions to all the clothes, and Wash really needed his hawaian shirts back.

Overall, though (apart from the above) I think that Serenity did quite well with keeping the aesthetic not too 'futuristic' -the only real indication that this wasn't the present day was a heavier than usual preponderance of nehru collars. Certainly, my secret fear that everyone would be dressed in the grey dressing gowns that indicate the futue (as in Star Wars and the Matrix sequels) proved unfounded...
 
 
FinderWolf
18:38 / 09.10.05
Anyone else hear that Wash's character was randomly killed because Alan Tudyk (the actor) has been getting a lot of big-time big-screen work and wanted to be written out of it (he was the robot's voice/motion capture in I, ROBOT and a wisecracking sidekick in A KNIGHT'S TALE years back, he might have been in that Michael Crichton TIMELINE movie that bombed)?
 
  

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