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Serenity: The Firefly Movie (spoilers within)

 
  

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Bed Head
15:11 / 25.09.05
Oh, wow. This German poster for Serenity is absolutely King Brilliant:

Link to image

Love it love it love it when movie posters rock. Guns! Swords! Dramatic silhouettes and not much colour! I haven’t seen any other posters up yet, so has anyone else, and are there any others as good as this one? It's almost a lost art, you know.
 
 
The Strobe
18:18 / 25.09.05
Similar posters are now all over the London Underground - River in foreground, Mal, Zoe, Inara and Jayne in background. I am very, very gay for them. In particular, the most important thing in them (which the German poster doesn't have, it being a different shot) is that Mal just looks confused.

So pumped right now.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:06 / 26.09.05
I like that Mal looks confused, but my main problem with the posters is (a) how cheap they look and (b) how River looks as if at any moment her arm is going to snap off under the weight of the sword she's holding up. Whedon's taste for slender child-women with billion dollar brains and the sudden acquisition of high-power ninja skills is getting extreme...

firefly
 
 
THX-1138
23:19 / 26.09.05
I'm going to this tomorrow night. If i get in (sure there'll be a mad crowd) I'll post my review, I've only seen maybe two episodes of the series, but the trailers look good.
 
 
diz
09:27 / 28.09.05
Paleface: Similar posters are now all over the London Underground - River in foreground, Mal, Zoe, Inara and Jayne in background.

See, this is one of the things that has me not-at-all excited about this movie. I'm afraid the poster will reflect the content - River in the foreground, everyone else in the background. One of the reasons I liked the show so much was that River's arc, while obviously central, was slow-brewing, and it wasn't really the River and Her Amazing Cowboy Friends show that it easily could have been. I'm deathly afraid that the movie will shift gears on that so much that I'm no longer interested, because...

Haus: Whedon's taste for slender child-women with billion dollar brains and the sudden acquisition of high-power ninja skills is getting extreme...

Exactly. I have a low tolerance for Whedon, quite frankly. When he's good, he's very good, but when he goes into one of his danger zones, like Strong Female Ass-Kickers, he's fucking awful. River with swords screams Buffy in Space to me, and the thought of that makes me ill.

The problem is that Whedon can't write female characters. He writes the kind of female characters someone who desperately wants first-year film studies students, armchair feminist theory people, and sensitive New Age pony-tail guys to think he writes good female characters. This is related to one of his other major flaws, the tendency to write the sort of dialogue that will make people say "Oh, wow, that Whedon writes clever dialogue."

I love Firefly with a passion, and I think it's one of the few things he's done that really is as good as Whedon's hype. However, I am currently operating under the belief that this movie is going to be a big, steaming pile of horseshit that makes me want to claw out my eyes, but which still causes people to gush over it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:54 / 28.09.05
the Village Voice basically gave it a very positive review, saying it's fun, well-written, well-directed, with Whedon blending genres masterfully and providing many fun pop culture quotes. They also point out that the plot seems analogous to his fight to keep Firefly (and maybe Angel) on the air.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:18 / 28.09.05
The problem is that Whedon can't write female characters.

Cordelia? Kaylee? Darla? Whedon can write female characters and the more complex they are the better he writes them. I wonder if it's the characterisation or the acting you're picking up on because, let's face it, most of the people who have appeared in his TV shows as action characters have been fit for sitcoms and not much else (Angel, Buffy, Faith... watch their necks not move, a sure sign that people can't quite pull the character off).

The actor who plays River is far better than most of the women who he's cast in action roles before. Sarah Michelle Gellar and co. are okay but they're not exactly expressive. River is, she can look round a door and smile and she looks... well like someone who's actually smiling. That's going to help a lot.
 
 
THX-1138
23:33 / 28.09.05
It was a pretty good show. I enjoyed it and would recommend seeing it. So go see it!!
as I mentioned earlier I wasn't familiar with the tv series, but that wasn't a hindrance to the movie.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:58 / 29.09.05
Joss Whedon posted this online:

>> Well boys and girls and boys dressed as girls and girls dressed as Kaylee, the time is almost upon us. This Friday we take that old rust-bucket out of the shipyard and see if she can breach atmo. It's been a long (to paraphrase a band I like) strange trip, and it'll be nice finally to show everybody what it is we've been tinkering with all this time. You already know you have my thanks, from the hardcore fans to the softcore... fans.... let me try that again. From the people manning the booths, buying DVD sets for their friends, getting banners seen everywhere on Australian TV, raffling artwork for ticketholders (Adam Hughes, take a bow), to the most casual fan who just wants to see the flick and won't ever even read this. You guys are the fuel in the engine, the Fire in the Fly, the weird green stuff coming out of Serenity's butt. (Hmmm. Forget that last one. I'm a little bit out of control here.)

Everyone needs something to keep them going. Mal has his ship. Zoe has her integrity. Jayne has Vera. And I've got you guys.

So what now? There have been so many posts about seeing it, seeing it again, the first weekend, the second weekend, being enthusiastic without being obnoxious (and yes, it IS hard to see over the pom-pom of a Jayne hat), buying tickets in advance, making a noise... I honestly wouldn't know what to add. I can tell you this: the movie will play in about 2200 hundred theaters, which is a good number. Too many, and you get empty theaters with no energy -- not enough, and you get, well, not enough. It may be hard to find in some areas but it'll be out there. Leave no multiplex unturned! This is going to be a ground war, peeps -- we have to hold the valley for a long while. However it opens, it needs to HOLD. Instead of the Alliance we'll be fighting viewer apathy, fear of something new, the urge to wait for DVD, and Jessica Alba in a bikini. (Although I have it on good authority that she spends 90% of the film in a huge wooly parka. Make sure that gets out.)

The day this puppy opens, I'll be seeing it with my family (don't worry, there's a lot of them, and they're all paying) and then I'm off to Europe to learn the word 'Browncoats' in nine different languages -- 'cause like I said, it's all about holding. I'll never be far from a computer, though, so I can check in with y'all. Thanks for every damn thing.

And remember, amidst all the urgency to make this an event, all the work and the worry, to take two hours and just enjoy yourself. That is, after all, what all this fighting's about.

-joss.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
15:31 / 29.09.05
Rule One of the Fight Us Club: River is not Buffy. Different genres, different characters, different aesthetics. Blonde and ostensibly brainless vs. brainiac victim of bad science. If anything (and especially given the snarky Jessica Alba comment) I reckon River is Joss's response to Dark Angel. So, both weapons-wielding, maybe, and both unfortunately stick-thin, and maybe if you're really cynical you could call this the non-choice of capitalist consumerism, but if I'm going to consume Hollywood I'd rather consume Joss Whedon than Tarantino and the derivative mass of directors who also feature thin ass-kicking women in their films. Joss did it first. And at least he elicits acting from his actors.

The comment that Whedon can't write good female characters is just too stupid to even respond to but with one word: Willow.

Tomorrow night I'm gonna wrap my glandular-fever-benighted girl up in blankets and scarves, drive us to the multiplex and just bask happily in the Serenity screenlight. I have SO been looking forward to this.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:44 / 29.09.05
River is not Buffy.

True Dat. River is Fred from Angel.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
07:55 / 30.09.05
Say it ain't so!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:09 / 30.09.05
I was about to say that was harsh and wrong, but I've just remembered Illyria. Hmmm.

I want to say more about Buffy/Angel vs. Firefly (which I have only recently seen properly, and now love deeply). I suspect it has a lot to do with timing, but right now Firefly is definitely my favourite Whedon show. However, the reasons why belong on a different thread until I've seen the movie...
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:41 / 30.09.05
Regarding the River/Fred similarities.

True in some ways. But thinking about the timing of Firefly's debut, it came onto telly about the time that Season 3 of Angel was kicking off (which would be the season that the Fred character actually becomes a continuing part of the cast). So I wonder if it wasn't more of a case of the characters bleeding together because Whedon was involved in writing both of them similtaneously?

Even comparing the two purely on the grounds of their first (and only in the case of Firefly) season of development as characters, the two tend to diverge into quite different personalities by the season's close. River's still psycho-child, whereas Fred appears to have gotten her shit together a bit more (despite being chronically shy).

Illyria was a character development that came long after Firefly was cancelled (two years later I believe).
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:52 / 01.10.05
Firefly lets me understand that it was okay that Buffy deteriorated so badly. Whedon was just doing something better.
 
 
FinderWolf
04:08 / 01.10.05
Ok, just saw it -- pretty darn solid all around. Major developments for pretty much all the characters... my only complaint was that for the first 40 min. or so, Whedon really has the doctor and Mal at each other's throats in a way that seemed a bit too intense (at least given the arc of the series). It just seemed a bit forced, like it was put there to amp up tensions in the crew. But as the film went on, events happen that almost retroactively explain why the tensions were so high between the characters.

Loved the sporadic bits of country/folky Western-style music that popped up now and then. The guy playing the assassin is fantastic, the cast does its usual terrific job... I felt the movie captured the feel of the series and gave a newcomer to the characters a good dose of all the things that make the series unique - the off-kilter sense of humor, intelligent plotting, solid dialogue, the world and politics of Firefly (but not in the political sense of, say, the Star Wars prequels).

Although the theater I saw it in on opening night was not full...sure, it was a 6:15 pm screening, but it was very devoid of any opening night of a cult movie enthusiasm on the part of fans.
 
 
FinderWolf
04:21 / 01.10.05
from the Serenity Spoilers thread posted months ago from preview screenings:

>> not least because it actually looks like EVERYONE dies until just minutes before the end of the film.

YES!! Although there are 2 major character deaths here, one of which is totally unexpected and comes completely out of the blue, so many characters are wounded in the final battle that you really have a sense of thinknig "holy shit, lots of people really might to die here!" The movie really amps up the suspense and my friends and I had a real sense of genuinely being surprised by the plot, not being able to predict where it was going, which is refreshing in this day and age. There's a sense of 'anything can happen,' and also a real sense of danger to our heroes. There are many moments where even thought you know the characters will probably triumph, the odds against them seem so overwhelming and the stakes so high that you fear for the characters...always a good sign.

Whedon gives the Secret Origin of the Reavers, and it's a good one! (especially when we had no idea we were even going to get the origin of the Reavers) The Reavers show up and we see a bit more of them in brief flashes, but they still manage to maintain that 'freako bogeyman who you never quite fully see on camera for more than a second or two' feel. There are some incredible fight scenes with River.

There definitely seemed to be a cool anti-Repulican political metaphor in the movie as well, with the repressive Alliance coming off like the Bush admin. that wants to tell citizens what's best for them, thought control, all those wonderful Orwellian themes. Also the sense of the only thing that shakes controlling Republican idealogues out of their brainwashing is when they are personally affected or confronted with the horrible results of their policies (i.e. the war mom who's pro-Bush until her son/husband dies) Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I saw a parallel there, thematically speaking.

And a nice bit where Mal, armed with a tiny knife, faces off against a skilled killer/assasssin armed with a huge sword. Good metaphor for the indomitable fighting spirit of the little guy, personified by Mal. Also, Mal has one really great dramatic inspirational speech here that equals similar speeches from the series. His other speech, where he says 'I'm doing this, you can either stay, leave or I'll shoot you down if you try to stop me' is as gripping as it should be.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
05:12 / 01.10.05
Man that... hmm... felt like a 2 hour long episode of Firefly. Perhaps it should have been direct to DVD.

Although a funny note: *Spoiler*

They do refer to the *thing with the stuff* as Key 23 PAX, yes? Cute comics refrence, there. And Lenil Yu's design work showed... and that's only a good thing.
 
 
diz
08:48 / 01.10.05
Cordelia? Kaylee? Darla?

Not impressed with either Cordelia or Darla, and Kaylee is the exception rather than the rule.

Rule One of the Fight Us Club: River is not Buffy.

No, she's not. I was just afraid that she was going to become Buffy, is all.

Having seen it now, I'm less worried.

if I'm going to consume Hollywood I'd rather consume Joss Whedon than Tarantino and the derivative mass of directors who also feature thin ass-kicking women in their films. Joss did it first.

I certainly wouldn't say he did it first. Prior to Kill Bill, obviously, but the female ass-kicker has been a cliche since people started walking out of T2 talking about Linda Hamilton.

They do refer to the *thing with the stuff* as Key 23 PAX, yes?

Err, no? Not as I recall, anyway. I just heard "the PAX." I might have missed it, though.

Although the theater I saw it in on opening night was not full...sure, it was a 6:15 pm screening, but it was very devoid of any opening night of a cult movie enthusiasm on the part of fans.

Same here. 7:00pm showing, one screen in a mid-sized city and near a large university... virtually empty. Not a good sign.

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Anyway, I was wrong to worry. It was so much better than I ever hoped it would be. River does kick ass, but she doesn't become boring in the process, so I'm OK with that.

If this is the end of line for the franchise, I'm OK with it. It wraps things up very neatly, even Book's arc, in a sideways sort of way. Excellent.
 
 
sleazenation
09:40 / 01.10.05
Although the theater I saw it in on opening night was not full...sure, it was a 6:15 pm screening, but it was very devoid of any opening night of a cult movie enthusiasm on the part of fans.

Perhaps this could be because so many fans have ALREADY seen it at one of the numerous fan screenings? Of course, if they were teh trufan they would not only be attending the first screening on the opening day, but also all subsequent screenings until the film closed pausing only briefly to sell a kidney to the 'I want firefly more than life' campaign.

Don't get me wrong. I liked the series and lookforward to seeing the film. I think its a fantastic achievement for a TV show that was cancelled during its first season and wasn't initially shown in its entirity to be reborn as a theatrically released film that has a substantial presence in the multiplexes. But there is an element of zeal in all this that turns me off...
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:19 / 01.10.05
I saw it last night. I was impressed, it was fantastic fun, all the Whedon touches we've grown to love and expect. The cast/characters are exceptional and adjust to the big screen really well, especially Jayne, who milks every line for comic delivery, with pay-offs even better at moments than the series. Politically it's excellent, lots of contemporary subtexts. And I really enjoyed seeing the 'Serenity' looking more speccy, with better CGI fight scenes and some new tricks.

There were three not-so-great points for me, though. One, we had worked out the plot twist half way through, or at least that the whole River/assassin plot had some connection to what caused the Reavers: maybe that was because Reaver talk happened in the very first scene. The rule of HW cinema: two unrelated parts make a whole. Two, Joss's achilles heel: too much sentimental speechifying by Mal. At one point it became unbearable. Usually Joss undercuts the cheesy moments with a one-liner, and here it happened, but too late -- I'd already switched off. Three, you only feel really close to River and Mal. The other characters are present, active, enjoyable to watch -- but you never get inside them. They contibute, but they don't drive the narrative. (Except for Wash, twice, in a really understated way.) Maybe that's due to the size of the ensemble cast, but it's also due to the way movie narratives can get pared down to the A plot -- you don't necessarily have the intertwined counterpoint of B,C,D plots like you get in a television series. It's a pity, because it's an almost perfect scifi film.

But I will definitely be seeing it again.
 
 
Billuccho!
03:18 / 02.10.05
Kicked my ass sideways. Loved every second.

This film restored my faith in Joss Whedon.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
21:07 / 02.10.05
MINOR SPOILERS



I was left in awe. So much good. So little bad. My biggest complaint was that they changed the River/Simon dynamic a little, and made his speech at the beginning of the second Niska episode kinda pointless. Why was Simon so curious about why they did the stuff to River that they did if he already knew EXACTLY why they did it?

...well that and the fact that I always hate watching Serenity get trashed up.

My only other real complaint was that the interiors of Serenity didn't look like the ones on the show. They changed the ship's insides and outsides quite a bit, to the point where she looked like a completly different Firefly. Still..."Something just came off my ship!" Just amusing.

I may have to go and watch it again.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:23 / 03.10.05
According to Yahoo! Movies, Serenity grossed $10,141,000 this weekend coming in second just under Flightplan. We’re going to have to do better than that, people, if we want to see a sequel.
 
 
sleazenation
09:39 / 03.10.05
How well did Deuce Bigalo do to warrant its sequel?
 
 
Seth
13:03 / 03.10.05
It's a relatively cheap movie, so I reckon with what it makes worldwide in the pictures and on DVD it'll break even at least.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:59 / 03.10.05
there is an element of zeal in all this that turns me off...

Shut the hell up. I want to see you dressed as Mal. With guns on.

I have no outfit but I will do. Oh I will do and on Saturday I will hop into that cinema with a teddy bear on my trousers and a grin on my face and much squeeing.

Did I mention that it hasn't opened here yet?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:01 / 03.10.05
Holy mother I almost read a spoiler then. I'm out of this thread. By the way I'm most worried about the potentiality for polished camera work. What if it starts losing its edge? Eek.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:40 / 03.10.05
I would say that this thread should be taken to be riddled with spoilers from opening day (although I tried to stay away from them mostly in my posts).

Can we say it's officially a MAJOR SPOILER ZONE? Then we can talk about THE DEATHS!!!!!!!
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
20:40 / 03.10.05
Nina, you ROCK!

I lacked a costume...and really with my beard the only person I'm fit to go as is Jayne, but I DID wear my browncoat.

The REALLY funny thing was another guy in the theater. In a brown duster. And a baggy old red sweater, and tight pants. And hair just like Mal's.

Funny story: the man had never seen the show before. He didn't know the signifigance of his outfit. He was just going along to support his friend.

He was rather surprised when I complimented him on his getup. Heh.
 
 
MrKismet
21:28 / 03.10.05
Dear Buddha,

I want a pony and a plastic rocket ship . . .
 
 
FinderWolf
00:47 / 04.10.05
And Wash got that plastic rocket ship, didn't he?

Nice to see the plastic dinosaurs on the console at the end...

15 min. into the movie I was thinking, "Um, Mal & Co. better show up soon, the set-up exposition of the universe was fine but I wanted to see Mal & the ship sooner, not 15 min. of the doctor and River." I see how it was Joss setting up the situation, but I wanted to see the lead character and ship a bit sooner than 20 min. into the movie. I could be exaggerating, maybe it's not 20 min. but it kind of felt like it.
 
 
gridley
01:29 / 04.10.05
I actually thought the opening was quite brilliant. It got new viewers the crucial backstory about the war and River's molestation in a way that was both economical and interesting to long time viewers.

Although I was a bit alarmed by Simon knowing details (during the flashback) that he didn't seem to know later on (during the series).
 
 
FinderWolf
12:21 / 04.10.05
This review is either from New York Magazine or Metro NY newspaper - my friend said he saw it in Metro NY but the credit at the end says New York Magazine. Sometimes small papers buy reviews from other sources and print them; this may be what happened here. Regardless, it's a very positive review:
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As writer-director Joss Whedon proved in his long run on Buffy the Vampire Slayer (seven seasons) and his short one on Firefly (eleven episodes), he has two distinct yet complementary gifts: He can write quick, gabby banter for an array of heroes and oddballs better than any auteur since Preston Sturges, and he can dramatize the camaraderie within an ensemble better than anyone since Howard Hawks. Thus, Serenity—his big-screen expansion of Firefly, bankrolled by Universal because the DVD sold way beyond expectations—is a sci-fi saga that manages to be at once stirring and screwball, gut-busting and gut-wrenching, and more fun than you had at any bigger-budget movie this past summer.

Whedon knows you never watched the original TV show, and so he makes that fact not matter. His clever opening scene, set during a history class of kiddies 500 years in the future, swiftly clues in the viewer: Following a war, the solar system was taken over by a fascist coalition, the Alliance. Our protagonists are the rebel dissenters from that governing body: Independents, they’re called—outcasts who traverse the universe, picking up jobs and fights, just like gunslingers and cowboys. The crew of the battered spaceship in Serenity is headed up by Captain Mal Reynolds (boyish but broad-shouldered Nathan Fillion), who oversees a familiar assortment of trusty companions and crusty hotheads whom Whedon renders fresh, with well-planted early jokes that detonate much later in the proceedings—indeed, one joke does so literally, via some grenades and the rowdiest crew member, Jayne (Adam Baldwin). Serenity frequently plays like the best sequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark that Steven Spielberg never made. Whedon is intensely self-conscious—a quality that juices up rather than paralyzes his wit. He constantly sets up genre tropes—a bad guy giving a sadistic speech about how he’s going to kill Mal; the unexpected deaths of beloved characters—only to raise these situations beyond mere surprise or laughs. The filmmaker also takes the opportunity to explore the one character who was clearly meant to become a crucial factor had the TV series continued: River (Summer Glau), a 17-year-old whose psychic powers have made her the target of torturous experiments by the Alliance. River takes center stage in Serenity, and we get to see her awesome cerebral and physical strength unleashed in viciously precise, balletic fight scenes that take advantage of Glau’s background as a trained dancer. (The River sequences build one’s hopes for Whedon’s next big-screen project, which also involves a potent female: Wonder Woman.)

Beyond all this, Whedon makes the juxtaposition of the Alliance and the Independents pay off as a meaningful political metaphor: At bottom, what first Firefly and now Serenity are about is the way people in power shape our collective memories to maintain control: “One task of writing history is hiding the truth,” says Mal in one of his more eloquent moments. (More typical is the man’s-gotta-do tagline from the trailer, in which Mal growls, “I aim to misbehave”-triggering the crowd I saw the movie with to howl their own vicarious revenge-lust.)

With Serenity, Whedon proves once again that the storytelling and characterization featured by the best television writing are just as rich and deep—often more so—than anything in the cinema. The movie is suffused with a uniquely sardonic romanticism (humor and passion both tart and sweet). And it’s also an action movie that truly defines the term “space opera”: When slight, thin-boned River goes ballistic and takes out the franchise’s most frightening villains, a rapacious horde called Reavers, Serenity achieves a grandness—a heightened rapture—that few adventure films even have the imagination, or the idealism, to aspire to these days. — Reviewed by Ken Tucker, New York Magazine
 
 
Mark Parsons
07:13 / 05.10.05
SF/F mag LOCUS has an online edition (bookmark is NOW!). Gary Westfahl writes a great review:

http://www.locusmag.com/2005/Features/10_Westfahl_Serenity.html

I loved this movie dearly and plan to see it again this week (a rarity with me).

Question/Poll:

is Serenity did not continue as a movie franchise OR a new TV series, would you rather see COMICS (mostly by Joss) or BOOKS (by cool Joss approved scribes) that move the story forward.

I'd have to vote for comics, even though I was not wild (hey i LIKED it) about the bridging mini-series.

(Sorry for the non-link link but for whatever reason I AM JUST TO DENSE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT ON THIS CHARMING SITE. See, I am angry at myself for being a techno-dunce. Anybody'd like to 'splain it to me, be my guest.)
 
  

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