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Post-Modern Magick by Seth

 
  

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Eudaimonic.lvx
13:46 / 13.04.05
Mace's books Sorcery as Virtual Mechanics, and Stealing The Fire from Heaven are available for pocket money from my little enterprise in the UK. PM me if you want a copy..

(Is this post against the rules of the site?? shit...)

 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:07 / 13.04.05
Actually, Lucky Liquid, you've raised an interesting issue - does an author having a web presence (or not) affect how their work is perceived - at least by people who use the web as their primary source for information about the occult? I spent ages googling around last night looking for a decent review of "Post-Modern Magick" - and couldn't find owt apart from slight variations of the blurb on Amazon which was everywhere -despite which no one seems to have posted an independent review of it and I couldn't find much in the way of in-depth discussion about the book on occult boards either. On the other hand, look at Kenneth Grant - he hasn't got a website either, doesn't provide any biographical details (apart from the odd public slip by people who know him) yet his books are very high profile indeed and get discussed all the time.
Thoughts?.
 
 
illmatic
14:18 / 13.04.05
Well, it's part of thing with this Seth dude, there's no possibility of "try before you buy" - not even any essays available - whereas with other occult authors, one might be aware of their websites, courses or lectures they've given etc etc. I'm much more likely to buy something on that basis.

With regards to Kenneth Grant, I suspect his high profile is due to the amount of time he's been around - had a very long time to establish a presence, even bearing in mind his high profile connections. However, it would be nice to know though how, say, "AC and the Hidden God" was first received. The fact that his books are (once again) widely available (at least through occult bookstores) no doubt adds to this. If he was stuggling to establish himself nowadays, I wonder if he'd have a website? It seems a necessity for up-and-coming authors but I can't imagine reading "Nightside of Eden" as a PDF - it'd seem somehow emasculated

On a personal note, I dislike using the net as my primary source - I find having books around much more encourages that reflecive quality that really engages you with a text.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:58 / 13.04.05
why is a pdf format emasculated? i am curious.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
15:14 / 13.04.05
Well much as I like pdfs, you can't really read 'em in the bath, read 'em in the park or balance them on yr scarlet woman's back when you've forgotten what the sigil of Amprodias looks like during a spot of the old XI degree.
 
 
Papess
16:38 / 13.04.05
OMG! Seth as in Jane Roberts' Seth? Damn. That brings back memories of about 21 years ago. The Seth Material was one of the first books I read on parapsychology/occult. It was great for a fourteen year old over twenty years ago.

Read the Phil Hine. By today's standards it has to be better than anything any channelled entity has to say. I mean, for fuck's sake, at least have the guts to incarnate.
 
 
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18:01 / 13.04.05
I was referring to Post-Modern Magic... That is what the topic's about, no?

I liked "City Magick" quite a bit, but I found it more interesting than practical.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:19 / 13.04.05
Strix, you hurt my imaginary friends' feelings!

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Papess
18:32 / 13.04.05
Oops, I think I have the wrong Seth, Sypha. A thousand pardons.

Except for your imaginary friend MC. I still stand by what I said about incarnating. Especially if the entity wants to write a book telling humans how to be better humans.
 
 
buttergun
19:00 / 13.04.05
Sypha, you had the right topic, for sure...I was just making sure, because your post came right under a discussion about "Pop Culture Magick." Thanks for the input. I've already ordered the Hine book, based on the discussion here.

As for Pop Culture Magick, it looks pretty interesting. Those preview 25 pages were informative, even if the writer seemed to repeat himself a bit too much. The author seems to be pretty young, as well. But still, looks like a book I might pick up. Unfortunately it's kind of pricey, compared to other magic books. Cheapest I can find it is $18US.
 
 
Unconditional Love
19:01 / 13.04.05
laptop, palmpad?

can be done.

people were once dead against printing presses, radio,t.v, video recorders,the internet, p2p..... genetic engineering,
cloning.

things change.
 
 
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19:36 / 13.04.05
Some authors just look better in book form, though. I have "The Magical Revival" in PDF format but it just ain't the same as holding a faded, musty-smelling worm-eaten copy of "Outside the Circles of Time" in my hands. A lot of the glamour is lost in the translation, I feel. I guess I jsut feel more of an emotional attachment to books with pages... plus they don't put a strain on my poor glazzies.
 
 
ghadis
20:12 / 13.04.05
'laptop, palmpad?'

Imagination?


Sorry to be flippant (and this is not aimed at you Mark r), but with the amount of books and essays about chaos magick, and magick in general, available on the net already don't you think think people should be able to, you know, put 2 and 2 together. It's not hard to make a spell (maybe harder to make one work but that doesn't come from a book) and i would think that any book that calls itself Pop Culture Magick would be pretty much self explanatory. You don't actually need to read it to know what it's about.

Of course it may be full of interesting insights into the writers own personal system and how he came across it, how he grew with it, the roads he took, the influences he grew from, the painful processes he went through to get there, how he dealt with other people, family and friends to get there. But i'm betting it won't be. It'll be a rehash of 20yr old stuff telling you how you can make servitors out of Pokemon and Star Trek archtypes to pass your exams.

It'll be lazy, bandwagon jumping (on a very old bandwagon at that) crap to make a bit of money. Like i said, i've not read it or the Postmodern Magick book, but if i do i really hope to be proved wrong.

As for paying $18 for it. I'd save that and get some better stuff such as (mentioned above) Stephen Mace or Ramsey Dukes.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:18 / 13.04.05
taking an author to bed is nice.

and books do have that quality.

perhaps its the sensory difference in touching what or who you read,rather than just seeing what or whom your reading.

and books do smell nice as well.

but with pdfs i do like the way i can turn the book or author off, the interactive content and all the other functionality.

i can get rid of shelves, space lots of space,emptiness.

its nice also to attack the political model i have adopted subconsciously as well occasionally,by being more positive and affirming of technological innovation.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:23 / 13.04.05
sometimes id rather not sift the net and just sit on the sofa with a book, someone whos done all the leg work for me. other times your right its all there on the net, but laziness sets in occasionally, and new books do smell nice,for a while.
 
 
ghadis
20:54 / 13.04.05
A good recent book on Chaos Magick is Greg Humphries and Julian Vaynes' Now Thats What i call Chaos Magick A good example of a book written from experience and practice. A lot of stuff i didn't like in it but a lot of stuff i did. Quite right too. It's not a how-to book. There is a good review of it here
 
 
ghadis
21:00 / 13.04.05
Crap title and cover though!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:11 / 13.04.05
Why doesn't our Seth write a book of magicks?

Come to that, why don't I? I'm at least as experienced as Mr. 57 Pages over there. And I need the cash. Latex fetish and several bone-idle non-incarnate spooky people to support.
 
 
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21:25 / 13.04.05
I was thinking about writing a book on the occult but I've decided to wait a few years and keep quietly compiling all my notes. Besides, these days I'd rather write fiction anyway.
 
 
ghadis
21:39 / 13.04.05
MC...I would shell out loads of dosh for one of your books!!! A book based on your blog with your friends would be one of the most inspirational occult books on my shelf!!!

And i think our Seth would sell shit loads. His writing on speaking in tongues and nlp is some of the best stuff i've ever read on Barbelith or anywhere....

It's a bit depressing when the books we shell out for are so crap compared what we read on here...

But Hey! That's why this place is so great and hopefully we'll get some books out of the Barbeloids soon!!!
 
 
ghadis
21:51 / 13.04.05
Sypha...I'd buy an occult book of yours...

If it was a pop-up book with a big Qlipphotic cock sticking out of the centre pages...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
22:11 / 13.04.05
Why not pop along to the publisher the author of post-modern magick used? iUniverse - a Print On Demand (POD) outfit. Looks like a deal where you pony up some dosh, and they knock up your book and flog it via Amazon and the other online booksellers. Why for a mere $1500 you can get a personal publicist to help you out.

Cautionary article about POD publishing here
 
 
ghadis
22:57 / 13.04.05
Not having a dig at you Sypha by the way. I just like big Qlipphotic cocks.
 
 
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23:59 / 13.04.05
Who here doesn't?
 
 
Seth
00:01 / 14.04.05
It'll be a rehash of 20yr old stuff telling you how you can make servitors out of Pokemon and Star Trek archtypes to pass your exams.

Get with the program, ghadis. Everyone knows Star Trek has only been around since the 90's.

At least that's what us Niners would have you believe...

Why doesn't our Seth write a book of magicks?

Come to that, why don't I? I'm at least as experienced as Mr. 57 Pages over there. And I need the cash. Latex fetish and several bone-idle non-incarnate spooky people to support.


I will if you will. Or we could co-author.
 
 
ghadis
01:20 / 14.04.05
'At least that's what us Niners would have you believe...'


But i don't know what 'Niners' means!!!...


I really am so out of it!!

help
 
 
Seth
01:44 / 14.04.05
DS9ers. The whole five decade Star Trek phenomenon is only there to provide context to a show that ran from 1993 to 2000. That's why all the rest is so dry and dull: it's just a history textbook.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:56 / 15.04.05
Shakespearian aside:

Leave this thread alone, Mr Lantern. Just look away. These authors with their Post-Modern magic and their Pop Culture magic are just magicians like any of us, enthused by their work and their ideas. They have a right to publish and promote whatever they will. Leave them alone, let them get on with it. Just walk away from it. Calm down. Calm. Calm.
 
 
Katherine
10:32 / 15.04.05
If I have managed to surf though Seth's website than the next book in the pipeline is using S&M in magic.

You could get in first. :-P
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:50 / 15.04.05
The next book in the pipeline is using S&M in magic.

I didn't really need to consult Dr Dee's stolen scrying glass to predict that.
 
 
Katherine
10:57 / 15.04.05
True, his/her subject matter is easy enough to predict.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:35 / 15.04.05
I imagine video games'll be in the series somewhere...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:03 / 15.04.05
I'm suspicious of these kinds of book simply because they seem limiting. It's like: Take one tool out of the big toolchest that is Magick and write a book about presenting the use of that one tool as a fully-rounded system in its own right.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:08 / 15.04.05
Oops, I think I have the wrong Seth, Sypha. A thousand pardons.

Do you think that the Seth that posts here is actually that channeled Seth with an internet connection?
 
 
Chiropteran
12:48 / 15.04.05
Do you think that the Seth that posts here is actually that channeled Seth with an internet connection?

That's always been my understanding.

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Isn't he?
 
  

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