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House of M

 
  

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H3ct0r L1m4
00:28 / 18.06.05
 
 
FinderWolf
15:05 / 18.06.05
...um. what is that hideous thing?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:59 / 18.06.05
Ultimate Vision and Scarlet Witch.
 
 
superdonkey
00:13 / 19.06.05
hahahahah, that's really perfect.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:31 / 06.07.05
the word on the street is that Marvel is really going to change some major things in a major way with House of M, i.e. it ain't going to be a 'everything goes back to normal with a few tiny changes to the status quo' thing. As to what those changes are, we'll see. I hear the final 3 or 4 issues of House of M will really see the shit hit the fan. Of course, DC is trying to do the same (really shake up the status quo in a major way) with IC...we'll see if either of them succeeds in telling major Events that are also good stories.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:39 / 06.07.05
Yeah, they'll leave a few things unchanged, the fans will go mental and they'll cave and change it all back.
 
 
Simplist
19:17 / 06.07.05
Yeah, they'll leave a few things unchanged, the fans will go mental and they'll cave and change it all back.

Actually, I'm guessing the whole 'House of M' event is itself an extended exercise in caving. The BIG CHANGES! will likely be things like Daredevil having a secret identity again, Beast reverting to blue-gorilla-with-Wolverine's-haircut, miscellaneous dead characters being resurrected, etc.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:50 / 06.07.05
Lithers are really anxious about the Beast thing, aren't they? Remember when it was big bad Joss Whedon who was going to do it?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:55 / 06.07.05
See, just to build off that "actually good stories" conceit, I'd have to side with DC on this one because although House Of M might actually change stuff, only ONE character actually knows what the fuck is going on. So, implicitly, only one character has any chance at actually developing over the course of the series. The rest of them, at some snap of a finger, will suddenly remember what happened and then have to deal with the "ramifications". Which is gimmicky and lame.

Infinite Crisis, on the other hand, is actually turning the DC Universe into a pretty engrossing place in its own right and in real time, whereas House Of M is simply a bunch of What If stories, some more intresting than others.

I'll admit, in the spirit of full disclosure, that I'm pretty caught up in the whole Infinite Crisis megillah and am buying more DC titles these days than I've ever done, well, ever. The outlook for all these House Of M crossovers meeting up with my wallet for some dry humping? Grim.
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
02:29 / 07.07.05
Done right, that kind of thing can be used to explore character...but more likely it'll be a continuity wallow.

Well, in a way, it will explore character - though through the characters' innermost desires. According to an article in Wizard Magazine, Magneto will have Wanda grant the heroes' hearts' desires. It's implied that Magneto will know what the heroes want through Xavier's telepathy. Thus in issue #2 Peter Parker's Uncle Ben is alive and well, Peter's a popular wealthy celeberity, married to Gwen Stacy, and they have a young son. Scott and Emma are happily living together in Hartford, Conneticut, without the stressors of leading the X-Men or administering to the school and guiding the next generation of young mutants into adulthood. Carol Danvers becomes Ms. Marvel, the world's greatest superhero...etc. What people want the most says a lot about their personalities. In Peter's case, a lot of what he wants is understandable: fame, fortune, having his beloved Uncle Ben alive and in his life. The stickler is that he's married to Gwen Stacey, which some fans interpret to mean that he still loves Gwen more than Mary Jane. My take on it is that this fantasy life with Gwen represents what might have been. Gwen was his first love, and due to her tragic death she and Peter never got to fulfill the promise and potential of that relationship. As much as Peter loves MJ, and I think he's deeply in love with his wife, a part of him will always wonder what could have been had Gwen lived. Hence, this alternate HOM universe is allowing him to explore that - that love that was unrealized, that road that was not taken.

I take this to mean putting things back to status quo?

So, predictions of the ramifications of House of M, anyone?


The article in Wizard stated that Marvel has guaranteed that one of the following possible scenarios will happen at the conclusion of HOM:

1) The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returing the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.

2) The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying into the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four.

3) Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass.

4) Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Dissembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme.

5) Peter Parker will no longer be married to Mary Jane.

6) Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again.

HOM #3 came out today. Since I'm in Canada, we weren't affected by the July 4th holiday and got our books on time. Issue #3 is supposedly the issue that would "break the internet in half," according to Bendis. After having read it, I have to say, "Meh." In my opinion, it's rather lackluster and predictable.

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Wolverine's heart desire was to rememeber everything that ever happened to him. As a result, he remembers the original 616 universe. Puzzled by the changes in the HOM world, he goes on a one man rampage across New York state looking for answers. He is chased by his SHIELD team (in this HOM universe, Wolverine is the Head of SHIELD) which is lead by his lover, Mystique. About to be caught, Cloak whisks him away at the proverbial last minute. He is then confronted by Luc Cage and his merry band of rebels of the Human/Sapien Resistance movement. The ending splash page reveals that Hawkeye is alive and a member and/or possibly leader of the underground group.

I didn't go into HOM expecting great things. I thought of it as the equivalent of the summer popcorn flick - fun and frothy entertainment. Thus far though, HOM is really not living up to expectations. Three issues in and about $12 CDN spent, and we've had two issues of set-up and one issue of chase scenes. I think I'm going to give HOM one more try, if it doesn't improve, I'm bailing.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
08:33 / 07.07.05
Wow. Everything except #1 strikes me as incredibly boring and uneventful and the only thing that's surprising about SPOILER is that it took them this long.

Marvel, for real, you need your A Game right now. The contents of that article just strike me as empty hucksterism, just a few more what ifs to dangle in front of the audience.

1) The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returing the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.

Potentially really interesting, with ramifications across the board.

2) The Ultimate and regular Marvel Universes will merge and become one, tying into the events of Ultimate Fantastic Four.

One of the worst ideas ever and a sure fire way to completely eradicate most everything interesting about the UU.

3) Thor, the deceased Asgardian God of Thunder, will make his triumphant return to the land of the living after kicking Magneto's tyrannical ass.

Unless Walt Simonson draws him in every panel, I could give a shit.

4) Dr. Strange, the only man powerful enough to stop Scarlet Witch in "Avengers Dissembled," saves the day but pays the ultimate price. He'll be replaced by Wanda, Sorceress Supreme.

He's still alive?

5) Peter Parker will no longer be married to Mary Jane.

Probably the least worst of the bad ideas, but unless they show Peter Parker internet dating, BORING. (Because, psst, they already broke up. And it was pretty boring.)

6) Daredevil's secret identity becomes secret again.

This one just makes me want to throw up in my own mouth. To erase the amazing work done by Bendis and Maleev in a chintzy "reality bending" crossover is bad enough, but the fact that it would be engineered by the guy responsible in the first place is just gross. (You know, I originally mistyped "gross" and as "grodd" because S and D are right next to each other. Another "Secret Origin"?)
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:10 / 07.07.05
I wouldn't have thought it would make sense to unify the Ultimate-verse with mainstream Marvel-verse. Comics like The Ultimates work because they put the Avengers into stories with much darker themes. Ultimate Spiderman works because it can be read and enjoyed without having to know 50 years worth of background story.

It's possible the upcoming story in Ultimate Fantastic Four is going to cross into the mainstream Marvel-verse. But I doubt it'll be part of HoM.

Just another Onslaught Saga, everything will be back to normal in a years time.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:14 / 07.07.05
>> The ending splash page reveals that Hawkeye is alive and a member and/or possibly leader of the underground group.

Yawn. I've heard that #4 will be more substantial and potentially more interesting...but this really is boring stuff. Hawkeye's alive in the rebooted reality, so soon after being "killed" so recently by Bendis in the 'regular' reality? Yawny yawn yawn.
 
 
rabideyemovement
19:17 / 07.07.05
Here's another change to the Marvel Universe! I bought four House of M titles today, and the cover of Uncanny X-Men 462 has Psylocke with a goatee.
 
 
rabideyemovement
19:30 / 07.07.05
Ur... but it makes a bit more sense after you've read it.
 
 
Warewullf
19:36 / 07.07.05
The number of mutants living on Earth will be reduced from over 60,000 to 300 maximum, returing the X-Men to their familiar perch on the edge of extinction.

Wasn't it stated early on in the hyping up of this series that one result would be the reduction of the mutant population? I'm sure it's mentioned in a thread somewhere...

And they can bring Thor back anytime. (I didn't even know he was dead).
 
 
Billuccho!
20:07 / 07.07.05
Thor's not actually dead, but Marvel is convinced he is. I believe he became all-powerful and went on to a different plane of existence, after Ragnarok killed everyone else.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:01 / 07.07.05
The art is neat, the story is sooo slow. Interesting in how this series seems to be tied to the publishing schedule of the associated Mini's. You know Issue one comes out and ends with Peter Parker, then the Spiderman series appears. By issue 3 there's F.F. Hulk & UXM. Is this nseries coming out like every 3 weeks or something?

Anyways the art's pleasant enough.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:14 / 07.07.05
Yeah I like the art and I'm actually quite fond of the story itself, but I just have zero interest in all the crossovers. I only picked up the Uncanny one this week because, LOOK! DAVIS! CLAREMONT! CAPTAIN BRITAIN!

But, alas, Orzechowski is nowhere to be found.
 
 
rabideyemovement
22:47 / 07.07.05
Well ,I enjoyed the main House of M title, but I thought the others: Hulk, Iron Man, Uncanny were uninteresting. Fantastic Four's House of M story has some cool possibilities. Think we'll see Doom come out of all this silver-skinned, ala the movie? I hope not, but it's better than the human skin armor he's been wearing. (My favorite Doom look was the business suit with the golden face mask)
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
17:57 / 08.07.05
Wasn't it stated early on in the hyping up of this series that one result would be the reduction of the mutant population? I'm sure it's mentioned in a thread somewhere...

Probably. I read a lot of comic book msg boards, I don't remember where I've read what anymore. 'Sides I put in the mutant population reduction bit cause I was typing out the 6 possible scenarios listed in Wizard. Anyway, I think that this is the most likely scenario to be realized at the conclusion of HOM. All the other possibilites are either impratical, relatively uneventful, or happening to B-level characters (imo, not many people know or care about Thor, Dr. Strange, or Wanda as much as they do the X-Men).

And they can bring Thor back anytime. (I didn't even know he was dead).

Yup. Didn't they kill off Thor and his title because of low sales?
 
 
not-so-deadly netshade
16:16 / 09.07.05
I'm a huge Bendis fan, but...Bouse Of M isn't doing it for me. It's not BAD, I just don't CARE. Nothing that's happened has really made me need to come back for more. The "Onslaught"/"Age Of Apocalypse" mentions are dead on for me. What's this REALLY gonna change?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:37 / 10.07.05
Well, one thing off the bat that may be permanent appears to be Wolverine possibly having all of his memories back. From the events of "Origin" with all the Rose/James/Logan stuff to the WWII team up with Cap America vs. the Hand... I mean, that's the impression I get from everything that happened in #3.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:43 / 11.07.05
I see that teh internet isn't broken in half...and while the big Return From The Dead was a decent last panel, does it really matter in what looks to be a big "What If?" story?

I hope there's a lot more to this than what it appears, for all the hype. Endless hype is what killed the Big Crossover events in the first place, and now that Marvel and DC are bringing them back, it's a bad idea to try to make them seem bigger than they really are. That said, the tie-ins were pretty decent this week, and make for nice little side stories, fleshing out the alternate world. I wish they were all being done by the regualr creative teams like X-Men and Hulk were, but I also like that some people get to ignore the crossover if they are in the middle of a story arc.

And, the cover of each issue claims that this is a crossover between Astonishing X-Men and The Avengers...I don't get the Astonishing X-Men part of that.
 
 
Sax
11:05 / 11.07.05
So how does all this work again?

 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
11:10 / 11.07.05
And, the cover of each issue claims that this is a crossover between Astonishing X-Men and The Avengers...I don't get the Astonishing X-Men part of that.

According to the article in Wizard, after Wolverine remembers the 616 universe, Emma will play a vital role in HOM. Due to her telepathic powers, she'll be the one most likely able to do something. Also, she'll be directly involved with a mysterious character that could trigger all the other heroes' memories of the 616 uni. Perhaps that mysterious character is Franklin Richards? In issue #2 she mentioned that she had a session to see him and that his parents passed away in an accident. BTW, does Franklin have access to his mutant powers in the 616 universe? I seem to recall he could dream-walk and had other strong pyschic abilities. I also remember that Reed placed subconscious inhibitors in Franklin's mind, blocking his access to them because he was afraid Franklin couldn't yet control his immense powers.
 
 
Aertho
13:07 / 11.07.05
I wouldn't doubt the involvement of the reality-warpin' big shots of the Marvel Universe all making an appearance.

Franklin Richards, Mikhail Rasputin, and Kevin MacTaggert are the ones we've yet not seen, what with James Jaspers showing up for a cameo in Uncanny recently, and Jamie Braddock being a recurring apparition as well. Of course, the former three are mutants and incidental characters in X-Books. Franklin's just a magic kid in his family book.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:08 / 11.07.05
What's the betting we never actually get to hear about Wolverine's past beyond those fragments we've already seen? He'll probably decide it's "too horrible" to remember, or have to willingly sacrifice them to set it all back to normal. Some bullshit like that.

Maybe some teasers, and then back to the same-old-same-old.
 
 
Mario
16:49 / 11.07.05
Last I'd checked, Franklin had burned out his powers to bring back galactus or something. I don't know if they've been brought back.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:25 / 12.07.05
apparently Hawkeye will not only be back in this alternate reality but he will back full-time in the restored Marvel Universe:

Bendis at newsarama:

>> I know no one believed me at the time but, as I said when we first started on Avengers, Hawkeye is one of my all-time favorite characters,” Brian Bendis said. “As soon as he died, we started cooking a way to bring him back and I could not wait for this day. He's back, he's got a fist full of arrows and he is not happy.”

and I noticed a post below in the discussion of the article, where one poster said he overheard Bendis saying this at a recent convention:

>> "Did you know I blew Hawkeye into another reality? And I do mean, another reality."

All the alternate & regular covers for House of M #4 show Hawkeye.

I don't really care about this - Hawkeye's "death" would have had more impact if, like Colossus, he actually stayed "dead" for a few years before coming back.
 
 
superdonkey
16:56 / 12.07.05
Paul O'Brien's got a good take on everything that's wrong, or maybe just not-so-right with this series.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
23:14 / 17.07.05
New Mutants X-Men Academy Omega or whatever it's fucking called is getting streamlined post HoM, suggesting less mutants.

Bastards. I loved that there were loads of mutants in the MU.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:30 / 17.07.05
I second that. The whole appeal of the X-men is that they're defending a persecuted minority, if that minority is even more... minor, like 300 then who would bother persecuting them and they'd be just another superhero team like the Avengers. Xavier's school would have half the mutants in the world in it at any time.

My overall impression of the series is that Marvel is trying to pre-empt DC's Crisis while trying to repair their already battered universe and doing a ham-fisted job of it.

(On a side note, anyone see that Iron Man/Sentinel looking thing outside Scott and Emma's house in issue two? What's the deal?)
 
 
Quimper
16:26 / 21.07.05
I'm pleasantly surprised.

I'm going to say that the final moments of HOM #4 is probably the best Emma scene since "why did I have to fall in love with Scott bloody Summers."

Wow. She is DONE!

Pay special attention to her dialogue. Love the way she covers up her grammar in her fit of rage..."We're gonna--we're going to find..."

But the whole rant. Wow! The White Queen is back!
 
 
FinderWolf
16:40 / 21.07.05
#4 was ok but still pretty boring, I thought - still haven't been inspired to actually pay money for any of these. Now that we've gotten to the 'heroes wake up and realize something's wrong with continuity' part of the story, maybe something dramatic and interesting will happen as they attempt to fix things.
 
  

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